Arianna vs. Arnold..... WW3!!!

[ShaneGR]

I've never seen anything like this.

Arnold: Blah, blah, blah.

Arianna: You're an idiot. You're waffling. You're terrible with women. Bush sucks.

Arnold: Blah, blah, blah.

Arianna: See what I mean? He's an idiot. He's waffling. You're a hypocrate.

[frank frankly]

1. Arianna is going after him magnificently

I wish she would win

[Dookus]

2. heheh..

well she's certainly the most passionate, and is NOT afraid to take Arnold head on.

[SuffragetteSal]

54. She had more huevos

than most of the men up there on the panel. She is brave, intelligent and used her time well to get her points across, no matter how many times she was interrupted.

[QC]

3. There's a link to watch it live on the front page of the NY Times site.

[Booberdawg]

17. It's on MSNBC

[RevolutionStartsNow]

4. She's making Cruz look weak

He's so damn passive, doesn't make me want to vote for him, though of course I will.

Wish Gray Davis were there.

But Arianna is the only reason to watch this damn debate. She is on top of every single lie that Arnold spews. I'm not going to vote for her, but I might send her campaign a few bucks for her performance tonight!

[Cush]

5. yeah

but she's exposing Arnie

[LittleDannySlowhorse]

8. It's good that Davis isn't there

He looks like a million bucks compared to these guys.

[MsLeopard]

46. Send her some $$ -- help her make her point!

Arianna rocked tonight! I sent her a donation for the second time since she announced. I know she probably doesn't have a chance to win it, but as I've seen expressed on these threads earlier regarding Kucinich -- she's getting her name and face out there big time, making her mark. And judging by what I've seen tonight, she's coming across a little too good for the likes of that moderator. Was he sent in by Rove?

[PROGRESSIVE1]

6. This may defeat the recall!

Can this debate be considered to be serious!

[berner59]

10. She is kicking ass!!!

Allthough she's underscoring what a joke this all is, she's taking Arnold to mat on every issue!! I bet this makes CA vote no on the recall...

Whew - bring on the Dem debate tomorrow and lets see how real candidates behave...

[frank frankly]

7. Arianna keeps telling him to say "Yes" or "No"

but he won't

yes, she makes Cruz look weak, but his style may work. patient and somewhat patronizing to Dumb Arnold.

[noiretextatique]

12. bustamante was good on prop 54

much more substantive than mcclintock.

[LittleDannySlowhorse]

13. I wouldn't vote for the recall

But I have gained a shitload of respect for Arrianna Huffington. She's not just taking Arnold on, it looks like she's going to tackle him and put him in a sleeper hold.

BTW, when Arnold talks about his successful business experience, isn't he talking about the now bankrupt Planet Hollywood?

[RevolutionStartsNow]

15. Give Arianna a chance...

she may just mention Planet Hollywood.

[feminazi]

18. i think cruz is trying to be above the fray

i loved when he patronized arnie.

and i still think the moderator SUCKS.

[LightTheMatch]

9. This may be BAD for the Democrats.

If the recall loses, and Arianna gets too high a percentage, then Bustamante is doomed.

[ShaneGR]

11. Personally, I think this whole debate increases the NO vote

But that's just me.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

14. I think so too, I just hope that it materializes!

.

[ShaneGR]

16. Woh... Cruz vs. Bustamante

Arianna vs. the world!!!

[haymaker]

19. Is mcClintock a simpleton, Republican fool or what?

"Let's just switch systems to the Arizona system blah blah blah." Is he that simple minded? I know California, and you Mr. Arizona, are no California"

Like just switching plans wll work without a hitch. What a tool.

Camejo looks good by the way.

Schwarzenneger is a broken record.

[genius]

20. The moderator is giving Arianna a really rough time. She's great.

I think all the Presidential candidates should consider hiring her for their spokesperson.

[Beetwasher]

23. WTF is the moderator's problem?

He interrupts her?!? And tell's her to stay on subject but lets Arnold run over everyone all the time????! WTF??

[genius]

28. He's clearly for Arnold.

There was so much bias among the people throwing the debate, they refused to throw and unscripted debate.

[ShaneGR]

29. technically, she was off subject

Local government became 'Who is Arnold?"

I thought it was great, but the moderator was right.

[spooky3]

32. but during the time I have watched he has been inconsistent

keep EVERYONE to his/her time; stop people from interrupting others.

It's not his job to keep the candidates on point or make any other comment on their content. It's up to the VIEWERS/VOTERS to decide whether the candidate has addressed the issues.

[PartyPooper]

21. Arianna: "Who are you, Arnold?"

Mod: "I'm going to have to lower my meds!" LAUGH
:crazy:

[frank frankly]

26. he probably meant that

a little slice of honesty after he shit the bed calling Arnie "governor".

f**k arnold.

[Maddy McCall]

34. The REPUBLICAN MOD said that after he said "Governor Swarzenegger"

He referred to Arnie as "Gov. Swarzenegger," and then to cover his embarassment and obvious bias, he said he was going to have to lower his meds.

[Rooktoven]

22. sad-- Arianna and Camejo have twice

the cojones that Bustamante has. He may win, but I wish he would have stayed out of the election.

[Dookus]

25. hehehe...

Arianna, talking over Arnie:

"You can keep trying to interrupt, but I'm not easily intimidated." Arnold kept talking. Arianna: "We'll just see who can talk louder with an accent." LOL

[haymaker]

35. Bustamante is realistic, the rest are pie in the sky buyllshit.

He has been there and knows the score. McClintock has been there and knows how he wants everybody to think and act and react. He's typical.

Don't be so simplistic, anybody, ANYBODY can throw out bullshit. With the exception of Camejo, they are all pie in the sky.

[ShaneGR]

24. LOL... Who can talk LOUDER in a foreign accent???

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... best line of the night! Just behind, "is this how you treat women?"

[Nottingham]

27. Baaawaaahaa! Ariana going Let see who can out talk

each other in foreign accents! I heard that too and we all belly laughed! She is Spunky!

[salmonhorse]

30. Uh oh...Arnold's closing "statement"

[salmonhorse]

31. He needs alot of help all right ~

[ShaneGR]

33. Hey, that was pretty good

I don't support him for Governor. But that was a nice heartfelt message.

[Maddy McCall]

37. HEARTFELT??? Lest we forget he's an ACTOR!

I thought it was staged bullshit.

[Champion Jack]

36. "I don't owe anyone anything...."--ahnuld

Uh, arnie, it's Karl Rove on the phone, he wants to talk to you about paying back some debts...

[salmonhorse]

38. Whoop, there it is ~

[salmonhorse]

39. Camejo very sharp ~

[salmonhorse]

40. Here's Arianna...

I like this chick ~

[RevolutionStartsNow]

42. Yes she was great tonight

The rest of them would've sat there and let Arnold dominate. She tore him down at every opportunity. I appreciate that. I think it was orchestrated, she did the Dems a HUGE favor.

McClintock did try to separate himself from Arnold, though, appealing to the conservative Dems in California in his closing statement. Hope it works. Can't wait to hear the spin. I'm afraid they are going to criticize Arianna for attacking.

[Classical_Liberal]

56. I hope Arianna stuffs cottonballs in her ears over it too

I thought she was brilliant and I think California saw it too.

[spooky3]

61. I may be hopelessly naive

but having heard her speak, read her stuff, read what Al Franken (my hero) has said about her over the years, I believe that she is someone who is evolving, so has some contradictory thoughts and actions like most thinking people (including DUers), but is sincere. I believe she was driven to enter this race because she really thought she really wants the job, that she was as qualified as other candidates, that she's appalled at trends she sees, and thought that this was the right time to do it. I think she took on Arnold because she is sick to death of the free pass the media is giving him and she is probably horrified at the thought that he might be the next governor. She has tons of money, and had tons of people coming to her speeches BEFORE she entered. Many people encouraged her to jump in. She doesn't need a career or ego boost, and certainly doesn't need the criticism (just or unjust) and crap that comes with a political campaign.

[salmonhorse]

41. Cruz?

[salmonhorse]

43. Why shoot ~

Vote: No Recall! Yes: Bustamante!!

http://www.noonrecallyesonbustamante.com/default.asp

[Dookus]

44. weak ending...

he shows no passion. A typical professional pol ending talking about his hard-working father.

This whole recall is a very "emotional" one, and Cruz should've recognized that. If we want dull, capable leadership, we'll stick with Gray.

[salmonhorse]

47. He's been standing too close to Gray for too long...

Sorry bout the 2x post ~

:shrug:

[ShaneGR]

49. Yeah, terrible performance

This is now all about a No on the recall. Personally, i think Davis has a LOT of ammunition to use in campaign ads now. Think of an ad with a quick 10 secs of all these people screaming at eachother followed by Davis saying, "I'm not perfect, but let me do do my job. Do you want these people running things?"

[Classical_Liberal]

57. Since he is a Rorschach Canididate all he has is the character

BS.

[salmonhorse]

64. So...

You'll be voting for Arnold?

:shrug:

[Classical_Liberal]

69. Arianna

He will go after both on character though. he will attack Arianna on charater, because he doesn't want democrats to know he is closer to Arnold and he will attack Arnold on character because he doesn't want to remind liberals he is closer to Arnold.

[salmonhorse]

45. Why shoot ~

Vote: No Recall! Yes: Bustamante!!

http://www.noonrecallyesonbustamante.com/default.asp

[jbm]

48. this is cute...

from Ariannas site:
http://votearianna.com/cleanhouse/

[Dookus]

50. Final thoughts...

I think Mcclintock will rise in the next polls and arnold will drop.

Arianna hurt Arnold, and he did nothing to help himself.

The biggest winner of the night was Gray Davis.

[salmonhorse]

51. Agreed in full ~

[CurtRCounts]

52. Beware the Huffington

Her "Answer Yes or No" approach may has worked to stifle,even embarrass the large Austrian,I highly doubt those tactics would've worked on Bustamante,or even Comejo.These guys know their issues. Both from living,and working in California politics.Huffington is the socialite,former Republican ex wife of an oil baron.From Greece.
Arianna's views at times bounce from left to right,and occasionally, out of bounds.Her party label as an {I},should've actually been a{?}.
During her speech,and from other qoutes I've gleaned,Ms.Huffington uses Republican idealogy,Democratic compassion and Socialist values.Though her debate technique is somewhat despotic.She seems genuinely confused,and appears to have forgotten that American politics isnt well suited for multiple parties.The thing she may accomplish,along with Comejo,no offense,is siphoning enough Democrat votes away from Bustamante to put another underdeserving,closeminded republican in a key govermental fixture.One that will be very crucial come next presidential campaign.Voters of California should be very wary,and very careful.If you think your state is in bad shape now,wait until McClintock is in office.

[salmonhorse]

53. Agreed as well ~

[VOX]

55. Excellent analysis! Welcome to DU, CurtRCounts...

:toast:

[CurtRCounts]

66. nice to be here

[Classical_Liberal]

58. Frankly Arnold isn't terribly conservative

and he has a siphoner in the form of McClintock. I don't see a stark choice between Arnold and Davis. Arnold whatever his flaws isn't George W Bush the barbarian, who scares the hell out of Naral. McClintock would be in that role, and California will never elect him. Grey Davis is not nearly as progressive as Al Gore. He is more like Lieberman. On off chance Arnie wins, I don't see a tragedy occuring, and don't know why people have to pretend this is Bush vs Gore. It won't wash. Arianna also did a good job of neutralizing Busumante in the last debate, with the prison industries and indian casino money. She is a true improvement over the three major candidates, and the only REAL progressive. Bustumante talks good but it isn't his record.

[opihimoimoi]

59. Arnie shoild show some class and drop out to let McClintock better odds to

win the election

That he won't any time soon indicates a serious mis step.

[IrateCitizen]

60. It doesn't matter if Ahnold is conservative -- PETE WILSON is...

... and PETE WILSON is the one who is orchestrating his entire campaign. He's the one advising Ahnold, along with his whole troupe of former advisors while he was governor. Should Ahnold win this thing, CA will really be subjected to another term of PETE WILSON.

[salmonhorse]

62. Sure...

Arnold may actually be like Reagan if only in this regard: he knows what a screenplay looks like and where he needs to be when they start the cameras up & running. All the rest is a front.

[Classical_Liberal]

63. Pete Wilson without social conservatism and anti-immigrant bs

is just like Grey Davis.

[hiphopnation]

65. Yup.

Made me :puke:

Literally! And I was watching it in a bar with friends. Imagine my embarrassment!!

[janekat]

67. Arianna: multi-millionaire author/columnist - doesn't care anout winning

This is NOT what this is about. She's trying to "bring down" Arnie, the Republican Party and Bush. This ain't about winning the Governorship of California. This is a major "media" campaign for her. She wants a "National Platform" - and she probably will have it after this debate.

Watch for her future columns.....

http://www.ariannaonline.com/columns/files/070903.html
http://www.ariannaonline.com/columns/

[bloom]

68. Somebody has got to do it.

I'm glad she is taking him on.