Tell me my tinfoil hat is too tight but is Plame a distraction for DSM?

[LynneSin]

Seriously, I've been thinking alot about these 2 issues especially during a 3 hour defensive driving class that wasn't really that exciting.

DSM memos are powerful enough that it could lure some repuke moderates over to our side and not only further deteriorate the support for the war but possible get impeachment for Bush. But suddenly the Plame story, which seems to have died out years ago, is front and center again with the name(s) of the persons involved finally being released.

Although this is a good thing and we might bring a few folks down (namely Karl Rove), I don't think Plame will touch Bush. If Rove is implicated he'll come out and say that he acted alone and Bush will get off scott-free. PLUS this is also a great distraction from the other hot issue on the floor - Supreme Court nomination.

Yes, my :tinfoilhat: could be tight, but with this administration I don't think anything happens without serving an ulterior motive. The DSM memos really cut into Bush's popularity and the American public support of the war. Hell, a survey was done that said like 2/5 people would insist on impeachment if those memos proved that Bush lied about the reasons for war. But now they're like yesterday's news lining the bottom of my cats litter box :cry:

Thoughts?

[Tommymac]

1. It's all tied together...

DSM...Plame leak...lies about WMD...they are all loose ends of the same putrid ball of rotten string that is this illegal war in Iraq. We just need to keep pulling them all until it explodes from within.

They more fronts we can hit them on, the more likely they will be to make a mistake.

[grytpype]

3. Yep.

It's all one big story: how we got lied into Iraq.

[Just Me]

13. Zackly!!! The walls are caving in,...

,...the rats are being cornered. They are now on the defensive, spinning as many cover-ups as possible and backing themselves further into an inescapable position of guilt.

[Inland]

20. Yes, fixing intelligence meant fixing Wilson's wagon.

Letting everyone know the reward for telling the truth and slowing the rush to war.

[Redstone]

2. BINGO! We were wondering what it was going to be, weren't we?

You're right.

Redstone

[WMliberal]

4. the two are intertwined, IMO

they're both about the march to war and fixing the facts. DSM shows that fixing the facts was official policy. Plame shows the lengths through which they were willing to go to fix those facts and ruin those who try and prove them wrong.

[JDPriestly]

5. You are right.

The DSMs are more important. The two are linked of course. The false claims about the Niger yellow cake were part of the effort to "fix" the evidence of WMDs in Iraq. So the Plame case is an example of how the Bush administration silenced those who told the truth about the administration's efforts to lie their way into Iraq. The Plame matter leads to the DSMs and vice versa.

[Tommymac]

9. If you can't get in through the front door...

bash in the back. Then come in through the window's too.

One way or another, these issues will lead to the downfall of the * Crime Family.

[KittyWampus]

14. No, The Minutes Are NOT That Important. The Corruption In Iraq Is #1

THAT is the key to winning in 06.

No impeachment unless that happens.

And the Minutes won't do it.

[discopants]

27. bingo.

Plame case <<< Nigerian documents, Chalabi ("Curveball"), WMD >>> DSM.


In the middle of it all is Judith Miller and her connections with Rove & Cheney.

[Corgigal]

6. shhhhhh, girlfriend

It's all related. It's going to take just a bit more time to put it all together. Just use your seatbelt and enjoy the ride.

[proud2BlibKansan]

The Plame story just adds

to the fire the DSM started. I don't think it's a distraction. Not at all. Regular folks are starting to figure out what we have known all along about McChimp. Last month, they found out about the DSM and this month it's Plame and treason. I can't wait till August.

[BeatleBoot]

7. Timing/Distraction isn't an issue here

That would mean the grand jury and the judge and fitzgerald were all working with the WH to time this thing.

That ain't happening.

But DSM and Plame have a common denominator - Iraq.

Just my two cents. And I'll throw in an extra quarter.

[tridim]

8. Rove IS Bush

and DSM are related to the CIA outing via the 'fixed intelligence' issue. Lately I've been considering all the BushCo scandals as part of a single grand scandal. I really think this thing is out of BushCo's control.

[In Truth We Trust]

10. I understand your post. You seem to be suggesting that the media will drop

the ball re: DSM when in fact they never really picked it up. I suggest that we be multfunctional or multi task as it were. Insist on DSM/Impeachment AND insist on charges of treason re: Plame.

[NVMojo]

11. Rove is the distraction from DSM, the sacrificial fat lamb ...

[LiberallyInclined]

12. no...O'Connors resignation from SCOTUS is the diversion-

the Plame stuff has been building for a lomg time.

[KittyWampus]

15. The Minutes Aren't That Important YET. Of Prime Import Is The Corruption

in Iraq. THAT is what DU'ers should be bringing their force to bear on.

It's the war profiteering corruption that will bring the GOP down in 06.

[H2O Man]

16. "died out years ago"

Wilson's article was published two years ago today.

[Jack Rabbit]

17. Not really

The DSM goes into the background while we're about Plame, that's true. However, because of the DSM, the Plame caper is now seen as part of a plot to cover up the lies that the regime propagated in order to sell the Iraq war.

More people understand what this is really about because the revelations in the DSM.

[Pepperbelly]

18. With these assholes, who can say?

I mean, there is a constant stream of crap from these suckers. Never ending, never slowing. Who can say what is a distraction from what? they do so damned much wrong that literally, I would be hard put to identify the most significant.

[shraby]

19. The reason it's coming out now is because the

case was put on hold waiting to see if the supremes would hear the case. They didn't so the two reporters had to go back to the judge.

[Oversea Visitor]

21. Part of DSM

Except treason commited now to start the WAR. DSM objectives say facts are fix.
Plame TREASON commited to fix fact.
Part of the WMD issue.

[FreedomAngel82]

22. What I thought was strange

was how they released the story on a Friday. Why not on a Monday?

[Sparkly]

23. It's all connected!!!

It's all about making a fake case for the invasion of Iraq -- the meetings documented by the DSM, the forged Niger document, Wilson's disproving the claim, Chimp's "sixteen words" putting it on the Brits, Wilson's whistle-blowing, and the Plame outing.

It is all connected. So no, this is not a distraction.

[JDPriestly]

24. I like Dean's approach

of lumping all these things together and attacking them as corruption. Bush's administration is the most corrupt in the history of the nation. And that includes Duke Cunningham, Tom DeLay, Halliburton, DSMs, Plame outing, etc., etc. There are so many scandals you can't list them-- paying off friendly TV commentators, Gannon, concealing the true cost of the Medicare program, the Swift Boat Liars, the missing billions in Iraq. . . . It just goes on and on. An endless stream of scandals and crimes. Let the games begin. Fitzgerald's is just the first in a series of needed special prosecutions.

[OneBlueSky]

25. and they're both distractions from voting reform . . .

because as long as Republican corporate computers are counting the votes (no matter HOW they are cast), BushCo will remain in power . . . and that's a fact, Jack . . .

[orleans]

26. maybe it has something to do with this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4033091

[leftofthedial]

28. So far, it has all the earmarks of a classic Rovian inocculation

covering for much more serious crimes.

[fujiyama]

29. I made a similar comment in a different thread

except I claimed that the Rove and Plame story have more gas than the DSM (which seems to have fizzled out).

I must agree with most DUers that they are definetely related. In the larger scheme of things it showed that the government systematically fixed the intel and bullied and quieted those (and their families) that told the truth - going as far as to risk intelligence agents and other assets in the ME.

The DSM by itself means little. Many dismissed it as "been there/done that". The Rove and Plame story actually has a member of this administration clearly breaking the law - if not in treason, in lying to the investigators.