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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 10:10 PM
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Is there a much bigger spy scandal about to break open ?
Are we looking just at the perimeter of the story? Judith Miller is the only person going to jail? Does the judge have information about her that none of us have? And why would he not see fit to put Miller in jail? And why is Novak still free? Miller was very cozy with Chalabi, we shouldn't forget. Did Chalabi know also? Did Miller tell him? Or did he tell Judith Miller? If so, who would have told him? Was it not overly strange how quickly the WH cut Chalabi off and started their character assassination against him? Why ? I think this story is so much deeper than we can even imagine at this time. We just don't know where it began or where it ends. But, I think it is safe to say that we have only seen the surface of this story.
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Fiona Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 10:13 PM
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1. I doubt the judge
has the authority to do anything beyond the immediate grand jury hearing he's presiding over. It's pretty straight-forward: Miller refused to answer questions put to her in the proceeding. She's been charged and jailed on Contempt of Court. I don't think there's any reason to believe it goes beyond that. And as to why Novak is still free, it's very easy: he hasn't broken any laws.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 10:17 PM
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4. Novak outed a covert CIA asset That is against the law.
GHW Bush signed the law into power and said "Outing a CIA asset is the highest form of TREASON". W meeds to take it up with Poppy.
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Fiona Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 11:57 PM
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40. I'm afraid you're mistaken
it is not against the law for a journalist to publish the truth.

Somebody who works for the government broke the law. But Novak didn't.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 10:18 PM
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5. But wouldn't it be interesting if Miller passed some info to Chalabi (who
was supposedly spying for Iran, lest everyone forget). And Plame was working on WMDs. And what is the administration's big bitch against Iran? Why, the same as it was against Iraq, nuclear weapons.

I'm just trying this line of thought on for size right now. I'm not saying that I've even perfected my theory. But I'm working on it.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 10:42 PM
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20. Keep working, that's very interesting n/t
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 10:21 PM
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8. You mean, Novak isn't charged with breaking any laws. Yet.
Miller isn't charged with a crime. She's being held in contempt of court.

Basically, Miller did something wrong right there in court for the judge to see. Novak isn't caught. Yet.
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Caretha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 11:03 PM
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25. Exactly n/t
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Fiona Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 11:58 PM
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41. but caught for what?
He didn't break any laws.

It saddens me to see so many DUers calling for the imprisonment of journalists for telling the truth.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 10:14 PM
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2. These are good questions. Check this out from TX bloggers, liberals!
http://comeandtakeit.blogspot.com/2005/07/rumors-on-internets-rove-indictment.html

Says Rove is going to get it, finally. Your question is interesting about Chalabi and Steno Miller. Her use of a sole source is well documented. If the same faction of the US Government that charged Chalabi as a spy in Iraq (the Army intelligence I believe) is behind Fitzgerald or feeding him, you may be right. If so we're in for a wild ride.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 10:22 PM
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9. You're suggesting this is being fed by insiders disgruntled with idiot son
I never thought of it in the context of Rovergate and AI ..... but had thought it possible with respect to the CIA. That being said, I postulated a while ago that if there was to be a true 'deep throat' it would be a military flag officer.

Interesting to ponder ......
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 10:36 PM
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17. Well, the Neocons have some real enemies in the military...
Let's see, there's anyone who doesn't like to see the Army trashed; anyone who doesn't like to see the top brass lie and obfuscate; anyone who is from the Brent Scowcroft faction. In the Newsweek article on Chalabi, it says "Critics, including officials from the CIA and State Department, characterize Chalabi as a corrupt and unreliable ally." Well, that's a start but I think it's much bigger.

As I said, I don't know what Fitzgerald's powers are if he finds out that Miller was helping a spy on a matter unrelated to Plame. I don know that John Dean nailed it last night. The real charges here will be "conspiracy to defraud the US government," which as Dean said means 'not doing your job.' This could include items related to that. Who knows?

I think that * and company have offended so many, it's about time the chickens came home to roost!
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 11:24 PM
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28. Remember, Chalabi has ties with the Iranian government. His
main office is in Iran.

This could get very ugly.


BTW, it ain't nice to fuck with a spook. They are usually extremely intelligent, and insanely loyal to their mission and fellow spooks. Fuck with one, fuck with all.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 11:39 PM
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34. Great pic of bush...I think you're on to something.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:02 AM
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44. Chalabi could have been feeding intell to Iran.
Anyone that trusted him is too stupid to be in the White House.



Click on the picture and it will take you to my site.

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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:03 PM
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45. Amazing stuff...this is great. I've got a logistics ?
will pm you.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 11:50 PM
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37. Ok and don't forget the ssauids and PNAC
I said last saturday that the timing is ahem funny... and the fact taht Bandar left the US... for either a military or Intel post in Saudi Arabaia


The layers to this are quite impressive
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:56 AM
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43. The rats abandoning ship?
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 10:45 PM
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21. Civilian question:
What is a military flag officer?

Thanks.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 10:52 PM
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22. Admiral or General
Who, among other things, get to have flags on their cars when they're being driven around .......
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 11:51 PM
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38. Thank Yew!
n/t
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 10:27 PM
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12. The only thing we can be sure of is it is going to be a wild ride.
Suppose she was hired by the White House to PUSH this war and KNEW she was publishing lies about the reasons for war and WMD?
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 10:28 PM
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13. Miller = Armstrong Williams ... on steroids?
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 10:40 PM
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19. Aunti Bush, how you talk!
Maybe Clark is behind the counter insurgency in the USA. Lord we need one among the people who love their country. These characters are destroying it day by day.

I think enough factions of "Management" have simply decided we can't afford any more of Bush's bull shit.

Try this on for side if you want a ride down :tinfoilhat: lane.

:tinfoilhat: or not?
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 10:55 PM
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23. "counter insurgency in the USA"
Damn, man! Don't ***even** go there!

:::::shudder::::
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 11:38 PM
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33. I don't think it's that far out. Remember when the DuPonts etc. tried
Edited on Wed Jul-06-05 11:38 PM by autorank
to overthrow FRD. Well not "remember" because you and I aren't THAT old ... but recall the story...

I think there is always some attempt, almost always from the right, to take power and run things into the ground.

Think about this: there is a new legal philosophy that says any laws since the New Deal are unconstitutional because so much of that "deal" was unconstitutional. The clowns that propogate this and some of those who believe it are on courts in different places.

We're in wackyville...if somebody isn't standing up to these thugs, we'll be there forever.
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 11:00 PM
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24. Miller's probably CIA. She may be the original leaker.
I firmly believe that Novak has been CIA for 40+ years. I suspect interagency warfare going on here.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 11:33 PM
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32. Malloy was talking about that earlier!
He was saying when he worked at CNNI that they had CIA operatives come in and write stuff too and do some "reporting"!!! I don't know if Miller and Novak are CIA but I do think they were on the Bush crime family's payroll.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 10:17 PM
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3. Yes just the beginning
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 10:18 PM
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6. All very good questions, for which "yes" answers could mean....
...not only Judith Miller's ass is grass, but the NYT could go in flames and, God forbid, Rove and Bush will come out smelling like 45 day cadavers with frankincense and mire to cover the foul odor leaving the nation to believe they're both all roses.
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 10:21 PM
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7. Good points, whistle.
And your conclusion is what I fear will happen. I hope not, but I trust nothing connected with this misadministration.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 10:22 PM
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10. Hmm... Well, it does seem apparent that someone in addition to Rove
was involved. First, because Novak mentioned two WH sources, and second, because Rove apparently signed a waiver, accepted by Cooper but not enough for Miller.

But it could be anybody. Cheney, Wolfy, Rummy, anybody.

I do agree, the oddly-placed trust in Chalabi, followed by the sudden but belated mistrust, seem odd.

BushCo's network of corruption goes so deep, and spans so many decades, this will only touch on a few of the players in the web -- so it's hard to guess exactly who they are (or who will take the fall).
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 10:26 PM
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11. Me think so
OSAMA INTENT TO ATTACK US. Hey show content please. What is there to hide?
911 the US nightmare. Let the truth be reveal. Caution needed. May cause major water shortage cause of US people running to toilet to :puke:
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 10:29 PM
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14. At What Point In Time Did The WH Drop Chalabi?.......
Was it before or after the Plame outing became an issue?
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 10:33 PM
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16. Very, very good question.
When DID they drop Chalabi?

Let's keep kicking this until we get an answer.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 11:26 PM
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30. wh drop chalabi
sorry link no longer works so i will post here in entirety

sorry mods but it is old story and no link works!!

Pentagon Plans to Stop Funding Iraq's Chalabi
By Arshad Mohammed
Reuters
Tuesday 18 May 2004

Washington - The Pentagon plans to stop funding Ahmad Chalabi, the Iraqi exile it once hoped might help lead Iraq but whose intelligence reports and motives were doubted elsewhere in Washington, U.S. officials said on Tuesday.

The officials, who asked not to be named, said the Pentagon would stop giving Chalabi's Iraqi National Congress roughly $340,000 a month as of June 30, when the United States plans to give some authority to a still unnamed interim government.

U.S. officials have for weeks said the U.S. government was debating cutting off the INC, saying they had questions about the intelligence it provided as well as about whether Chalabi was motivated chiefly by a desire for power.

The Pentagon, however, defended the INC's information and a U.S. defense official echoed that, saying: "They have provided decent information, especially in regards to force protection issues and the whereabouts of folks (Iraqi fugitives)."

Chalabi, a member of the Iraqi National Council, has pressed recently for full Iraq control over the country's security forces and criticized some U.S. actions.

INC spokesman Entifadh Qanbar declined comment on the funds or on intelligence the group may have provided, saying "I cannot talk about this confidential issue ... INC personnel are risking their lives every day in Iraq to save American lives."

Qanbar also demanded the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency stop funding any Iraqi groups after the June 30 hand-over.

"Iraq is a strategic ally to the United States of America and it would be inappropriate and unacceptable that the U.S. intelligence agencies fund anybody inside Iraq," he said. "We expect the CIA to cease funding to any of their groups or individuals inside Iraq after sovereignty."

One U.S. official, who asked not to be named and who said he was not directly briefed on the Pentagon's decision to stop funding, speculated that the funds were being cut off because "we weren't getting what we were paying for."

Pentagon Favorite
A Defense official painted the decision as tied to the June 30 handover. "It has run its course, with the turnover of the government," the official said, adding that a formal announcement was expected in Baghdad later on Tuesday.

An exile who lived abroad for more than four decades, Chalabi has been a favorite of the Pentagon, which flew him into Iraq as the U.S.-led invasion was winding up last year to give him a head start to establish a political base.

But Chalabi has had many critics in the U.S. government, notably at the CIA, which suspected his group may have been penetrated by Saddam Hussein's agents before the war and which questioned the intelligence information it provided.

The State Department also had its doubts and resented the Pentagon's support for Chalabi. State Department officials questioned whether he could emerge as a national leader because he had lived outside the country for so long.

In its prewar role, Chalabi's INC directed numerous Iraqi defectors to the U.S. government to provide intelligence that critics now say was largely spun to prod the United States into taking action against Baghdad.

Included in the questionable intelligence was information about purported biological weapons labs, the source of which was described by U.S. officials as a fabricator promoted by Chalabi's group.

No stockpiles of banned unconventional weapons have been found in Iraq.

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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 11:31 PM
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31. chalabi dropped by white house...
this link no longer works but had in my files from may 20th 2004

you can see by link caption what happened..

Click here: Yahoo! News - Chalabi Furious at U.S. Over Raid on Baghdad Office may 20,2004

and this one i have the story but the link no longer works..

sorry mods..the link is too old to work!!

Andrew Cockburn: The Truth About Ahmed Chalabi

May 20, 2004

*** CounterPunch Exclusive ***
The Truth About Ahmed Chalabi
Why the US Turned Against Their Former Golden Boy -- He was Preparing a Coup! What He Did as a Catspaw for Tehran: How He Nearly Bankrupted Jordan; the Billions He Stands to Make Out of the New Iraq
By ANDREW COCKBURN

In dawn raids today, American troops surrounded Ahmed Chalabi's headquarters and home in Baghdad, put a gun to his head, arrested two of his aides, and seized documents. Only five months ago, Chalabi was a guest of honor sitting right behind Laura Bush at the State of the Union. What brought about this astonishing fall from grace of the man who helped provide the faked intelligence that justified last year's war?

The answer lies in Chalabi's reaction to his gradual loss of US support in recent months and the realisation that he will be excluded from the post June 30 Iraqi "government" being crafted by UN envoy Lakhdar Brahimi.

Lashing out against his exclusion from power, he has in effect been laying the groundwork for a coup, assembling a Shia political coalition with the express aim of destabilising the "Brahimi" government even before it takes office. "He has been mobilising forces to make sure the UN initiative fails," one well connected Iraqi political observer, who knows Chalabi well, told me today. "He has been tellling these people that Brahimi is part of a Sunni conspiracy against the Shia."

This scheme is by no means wholly outlandish. Chalabi has recruited significant Shia support, including Ayatollah Mohammed Bahr al Uloom, a leading member of the Governing Council and two other lesser known Council members. Significantly, his support also includes a faction of the Dawa Party that has been excluded from the political process by the occupation authority and which also supports rebel cleric Moqtada al-Sadr. Other recently recruited allies include Iraqi Hezbollah. All are joined in a Chalabi dominated Supreme Shia Council, similar to a sectarian Lebanese model. "Sooner rather than later," the Iraqi observer, a close student of Shia politics, points out, "Moqtada al Sadr is going to be killed. That willl leave tens, hundreds of thousands of his supporters looking for a new leader. If Ahmed plays the role of victim, he can take on that role. His dream has always been to be a sectarian Shia leader."

Given the imminence of the announcement of the post June 30 arrrangement, the stakes are very high for the US. The occupation command in Baghdad well understands that Chalabi has the resources and skills to wreck the all-important arrangements for the official handover of power. "People realise that Ahmed is a gambler, prepared to bring it all down," I was told today, "and this raid may not be at all to his detriment."

US disenchantment with the man who has received $27 million of taxpeyers' money in recent years has been gathering pace in recent months. "You can piss on Chalabi" President Bush remarked to Jordan's King Abdullah some months ago. "Ahmed is on good terms with many people," a senior Iraqi politician told me waspishly, "and on bad terms with a great many more."

Meanwhile the star of the octogenarian politician Adnan Pachachi, foreign minister forty years ago in the revolutionary government of General Abdul Karim Qassim, and now a hot tip for post June 30 president, is rising fast. Chalabi despises Pachachi as a tiresome old codger with no place in today's Iraq. "He should go home and play bridge," he snaps at mention of the rival's name. Pachachi indulgently dismisses Chalabi as "articulate, but not wise -- I've told him to his face, 'Ahmed, you're too clever by half.'"

Distrust him as they may however, Iraqis suspect that Chalabi will be a looming presence in Iraq for years to come. Since he returned to Baghdad just over a year ago he has succeeded in building a financial powerbase both in business and key sectors of the fledgling Iraqi administration. His prescient seizure of Saddam's intelligence files a year ago has equipped him with a useful tool to intimidate opponents. In politics, despite his apparent lack of general appeal, he has been carving out a role as the Ian Paisley of the Iraqi Shia, fomenting sectarian assertiveness and brokering deals. At the same time, he has maintained his foreign alliances, not merely with the neo-conservatives in the Pentagon and right wing Washington think tanks, who are still insisting that he should have been installed in power in Baghdad by the US a year ago, but also in Tehran. Chalabi's connections to the most hardline elements in Iran, particularly the intelligence officers of the Revolutionary Guards, are longstanding and still flourish today.

Chalabi's fusion of business and politics is very much in the family tradition. Until the 1958 military coup swept away the monarchy that had ruled Iraq under British direction since the 1920s, the Chalabis were probably the richest family in the country. The founder of the family fortunes, Ahmed's great grandfather, had been the tax "farmer" (ie he collected taxes at a profit) of Kadimiah, a town near Baghdad. The Iraqi historian Hanna Batatu describes him as "a very harsh man, (who) kept a bodyguard of armed slaves and had a special prison at his disposal. When he died the people of Kadimiah heaved a sigh of relief." His son flourished in the good graces of the British, while the next in line, Ahmed's father, prospered by bailing out the racing debts of a powerful member of the royal family, earning high political office thereby, and leveraging that position into lucrative business arrangements. Ahmed's uncle meanwhile rose to be the most powerful banker in the country. As Batatu notes: "..by translating economic power into political influence, and political influence into economic power, the Chalabis climbed from one level of wealth to another."

However, when the 1958 revolution swept their Iraqi wealth away, the Chalabis quickly put down roots in Lebanon. Ahmed and his brothers married into powerful families in the Lebanese shia community. "They become so Lebanese that they started pronouncing their name Shalabi instead of Chalabi," remarks another former Iraqi exile. "Lebanese don't pronounce a hard Ch sound." Initially, Chalabi himself seemed destined for an academic career. No one has ever denied he is extremely smart, as well as intellectually competitive. "When he was at primary school," recalls one of his innumerable cousins, "if he got nine marks in a test and someone else got ten, he would tear up the papers and run around in a tantrum."

By 1970 he had graduated from MIT, collected a PhD in mathematics from the University of Chicago and returned to teach at the renowned American University of Beirut, where he attracted attention as "a walking encyclopedia." In 1977 he moved to Jordan and founded the Petra Bank. A decade later, Petra had grown to be the second largest bank in the country, with links to other Chalabi family banks and investment companies in Beirut, Geneva and Washington. The bank introduced Visa cards to Jordan, along with ATMs and other innovative technology. Ahmed himself was one of the most influential businessmen in the country, esteemed by local entrepreneurs for his readiness to issue credit, and enjoying close links to powerful members of the royal family. As long as no outsider got to look at the books, everything was fine.

On August 2, 1989, however the Jordanian banking authorities took over Petra on the grounds that when all Jordanian banks were told to deposit 30% of their foreign exchange with the central bank, Petra had failed to come up with the money. Ahmed left the country two weeks later, announcing that he was going "on holiday", although rumors persist in the middle east that he had crossed the Syrian border in the trunk of his friend Tamara Daghistani's car. Meanwhile his brothers' banks in Geneva and Beirut had already gone under.

In April, 1992, Chalabi was tried in his absence (along with 47 associates), found guilty, and sentenced to 22 years jail on 31 charges of embezzlement, theft, misuse of depositor funds and currency speculation. However, because the trial had been in front of a military court under Jordan's martial law, international law prevented his extradition.

For anyone who asks, Chalabi has always had a ready explanation for Petra's collapse, one that his daughter Tamara was still loyally repeating in the Wall Street Journal as recently as last August: "Petra Bank was seized and destroyed by those in the Jordanian establishment who'd become willing to do Saddam Hussein's bidding. That Jordan has branded my father as an 'asset diverter' would be comic, were it not for what it says about that kingdom's servile complicity with Saddam." Saddam, according to this version, got his Jordanian lackeys to move against Petra because Ahmed Chalabi posed a threat to the Iraqi leader. The bank was basically in fine shape and would have survived if the government hadn't intervened and panicked bank customers. The prosecution, conviction and sentencing of Ahmed Chalabi was an act of political spite.

Chalabi's claim that he was framed reduces Jordanian officials to choleric fury. "The collapse was due to Chalabi's mismanagement of the bank and the misuse of its assets," responded one senior banking official, when I relayed Chalabi's excuse of injured innocence. "He ran it as his private piggy bank."

There may be a particle of truth in this -- the prime minister at the time of the takeover was known for his deep and profitable relationship with Saddam, and Chalabi was indeed a critic of the Iraqi dictator -- but it is also beside the point. Behind all the bluster--"Petra was solvent and growing," he insisted in an e-mail to me--the numbers laid out in the (pre-Enron) Arthur Andersen "Petra Bank balance sheet--August 2 1989" speak for themselves, as do other reports, mostly in Arabic and rarely examined by outsiders, from liquidators and other investigators.

The Arthur Andersen audit was commissioned after the Jordanian central bank, ignorant of the real and disastrous situation inside Petra, accepted full responsibility for the bank's debts and deposits. The accountants' confidential report, delivered in January 1990 and as thick as a phone directory, showed that Petra was rotten to the core in large part because of "transactions with parties related to the former management of the Bank (ie the Lebanese and Swiss banks managed by Chalabi's brothers, which had already gone broke.) Overall, instead of the $40 million or so net balance depicted in Chalabi's version of the books, Petra had a deficit of over $215 million, which the accountants indicated had "the potential" to grow to $350 million.

This was a total catastrophe for the cash-strapped desert kingdom, especially as the government had committed itself to paying off the depositors. "For two years, all the aid we got from Saudi Arabia and other arab countries," recalls a former Jordanian diplomat, "went into settling the Petra mess." Despite this, Chalabi actually boasted to me in a recent email that "after the takeover, all depositors were paid in full," a statement of amazing chutzpah, given that he skipped town and left others to clean up the mess and pay the bills. A seventeen page summary of the investigation by the military prosecutor's office, dated April 30 1990, lists various "fictitious accounts", ie money that Petra claimed to have in accounts with other banks that did not in fact exist. These included the $7 million allegedly held on December 31, 1988, in Bankers Trust, New York, or the $21 million that was supposed to be in Wardley Ltd, but wasn't, or the 19,196,404 Deutschmarks that was supposed to be deposited with Socofi, the Chalabi bank in Geneva. Overall, at that date, the "fictitious" figure came to $72 million and counting. Elsewhere, money had been diverted to private Chalabi accounts, or had evaporated in bad loans to other Chalabi- owned companies, such as the $15 million that disappeared with the Rimal company, or the roughly $14 million that had been spent on "personal expenses" for Dr. Chalabi and various members of his family.

Among the non-performing loans of the Petra subsidiary in Washington was $12 million owed by Abdul Huda Farouki. He had pledged his $1,7 million house in Maclean, Virginia as security, but as liquidators moved to seize it, he produced a letter from his friend Ahmed claiming that Petra had released him from that obligation before the crash.

In September 2000, just over eight years after Ahmed Chalabi's conviction in Jordan, his brothers Jawad and Hazem were convicted and sentenced (in absentia) by a Geneva court for creating fake documents. The statute of limitations had run out on other charges.

"Ahmed thought he would never be tried and convicted," one former associate recalls. "I remember him saying 'they don't dare sentence me, I've got members of the royal family on the payroll.'"

"The simple fact is that the bank was insolvent when we took it over" insists former Central Bank governor Dr. Said Nabulsi. "I can't see why so many people can't understand that." They look at the figures and then go away and write things like this." Gloomily, he dipped into a pile of clippings on his desk and held up a recent full page article in the Financial Times headlined "Man with a Mission" extolling Chalabi's current activities in Baghdad. Tossing it aside, he rifled through further tributes to Chalabi, who still has a jail cell awaiting him in Jordan.

Jordanian investigators, aided by sleuths from the Kroll detective agency, looked long and hard for where all the money had gone -- one estimate puts the total losses of the Chalabi family empire at nearly $1.5 billion. "We followed some of the cash as far as the British Virgin Islands" says one, lamenting that the ironclad bank secrecy laws prevented them following the trail any further.

Chalabi took partial revenge on his Jordanian tormentors by fomenting a December 1991 "60 Minutes" story accusing King Hussein of colluding with Saddam, but by now he was immersed in politics carving out a leading role in the anti-Saddam Iraqi opposition. "Ahmed once said to me 'I built up an empire of 44 companies around the world with my brain,'" recalls an associate from that period. "He said 'that was very difficult. Politics is very easy.' He believes that politics is about money, that politics is a business."

Shaking the dust of Amman from his heels, Chalabi soon scented new opportunities in Washington. "The United States is prepared to allocate substantial sums for the Iraqi opposition," he confided to an opposition activist soon after the 1991 war. "We should go for that money." Before long, he had secured CIA funding for a new opposition group: the Iraqi National Congress (INC) The INC was in theory an umbrella organisation with a collective leadership, but Chalabi, those who have worked with him agree, is not a team player. "He always has to be in charge," one powerful Iraqi politician told me in Baghdad. " I remember a meeting in London where Hani Fekaki (one of the founders of the Baath party who later fled into exile and opposition) told Chalabi: "Ahmed, in your heart, there is a little Saddam."

The spooks found much to like in the dynamic ex-banker. They liked his talents as an organiser, and they especially liked the fact that he had no power base inside or outside Iraq. Hence, as Frank Anderson, then head of the CIA's operations directorate's near east division, once told me , Chalabi "was not a threat to anybody. He was acceptable as an office manager. So his weakness was a benefit."

Another benefit was his money. One former covert operator happily recalled the inaugural meeting of the Iraqi National Congress in Vienna, Austria in June 1992, which was wholly, if secretly, funded by the CIA: "There wasn't a single person there who didn't believe he was paying for it all out of money he had embezzled from the Petra Bank!" (I asked one investigator who had spent years probing the Petra wreckage if anyone from the US government had ever queried him on the true facts of the fraud. "No", not once," he answered, adding that journalists had also steered clear of the ugly truths about Chalabi's banking career.)

"He doesn't want colleagues, only employees," says one former INC associate sadly. "And he prefers to bring in outsiders who can't work independently of him." As example, this Iraqi opposition veteran cites INC official Zaab Sethna, an American of Pakistani origin, and Francis Brooke, Chalabi's Washington lobbyist. During last year's war, Brooke, a fundamentalist Christian, told Harper's Magazine that he would support the elimination of Saddam, "the human Satan," even if every single Iraqi were killed in the process.

Other key aides who have stuck by him over the years include Nabil Mousawi, a former Leeds pizzeria manager who first attracted Chalabi's notice when he volunteered to work the copy machine at the INC's inaugural meeting. Entifadh Qamber, now the INC spokesman in Baghdad, has been similarly loyal. Known for his verbal and physical aggressiveness, Qamber once punched out an elderly Iraqi critic live on television.

Aras Karem, a Shi'ite Kurd who has supervised Chalabi's security and military operations since 1992, is probably the most formidable member of this inner circle,. Once pegged by the CIA as an Iranian agent (the agency consequently had several of his relatives jailed without charge for years in the US) Aras played a major role in managing the production of useful defectors in pre-war days, and still today supervises the INC's "Intelligence Collection Program." His direct contacts with U.S. defense intelligence make him perhaps the only member of Chalabi's coterie to have any kind of an independent base.

It took a few years for the CIA high command at Langley to grasp the fact that their "office manager" was not so easy to control. Funded by the agency, Chalabi ensconced himself in the segment of northern Iraq that was controlled by the Kurds, together with a small staff and recruited an armed militia. In March 1995 he concocted an elaborate scheme to bribe tribal leaders in and around the northern city of Mosul into rebelling against Saddam. "That's the way Lebanese politics works--through bribery and corruption," says Bob Baer, who, as CIA station chief in northern Iraq at the time, supported the plan. "People forget that Ahmed's really a Levantine, he learned business and politics in Beirut."

In the event, the plan fizzled. The tribal leaders pocketed Chalabi's money and stayed home. His friends in Iranian intelligence, whom he was hosting in Kurdistan, had promised a simultaneous offensive in southern Iraq, but they stayed home too. A military offensive by Chalabi's small militia and some Kurdish allies petered out after a couple of days.

Back in Washington, the CIA was furious that Chalabi had acted without orders, and spitefully leaked the news that he was on their payroll, causing a furor in northern Iraq. The following year, a quarrel between the two main Kurdish parties led to an appeal by one side to Saddam for help. As Iraqi forces entered the Kurdish city of Irbil, they hunted down and massacred INC supporters who had been left in the city. Those who managed to escape were eventually brought to the US.

Discarded by his old patrons at the agency, Chalabi found new allies among the right wing neo-conservatives, for whom the destruction of Saddam and the co-option of Iraq in a reordered Middle East emerged as a major objective in the mid-1990s. "Of course they liked him," says yet another of long list of veterans of the Iraqi opposition who now, in Baghdad, nervously entreat interviewers not to quote them by name. "He is the quintessential anti-Arab, anti-anything that the Arab world believes in." Chalabi's willingness, unique among Arab politicians, to seek Israeli support -- further bolstered his position on Capitol Hill.

Lately, Chalabi watchers have been interested to note familiar faces from the Petra era popping up in Baghdad in the wake of Ahmed's return in the wake of the American tanks a year ago. Ali Saraf, for example, formerly head of the foreign exchange department is working with Chalabi, and there are rumors that Taj Hajjar, former proprietor of a Malaysian shrimp farm (Jordanian banking investigators sigh nostalgically at mention of the shrimp farm, into which so much Petra money vanished) has been in town.

One frequent visitor from Washington has been Chalabi's old friend Abdul Huda Farouki, who owed Petra $12 million at the time of the collapse.

Last year Farouki's newly founded security firm Erinys won a plum $80 million contract to guard Iraqi oil installations, employing members of Chalabi's private militia for the purpose, as well as the son of a close Chalabi confidante as chief executive and his nephew Salem Chalabi as firm's counsel. Erinys' sister concern Nour USA meanwhile garnered $327 million deal to equip the new Iraqi army, (at least one Kuwaiti businessman anxious to get an army contract was told by an American official at the CPA that he would have to go through Ahmed Chalabi) but outraged protests from the losing bidders, coupled with the odor of the Chalabi connection, eventually forced cancellation of the deal.

Loss of the Nour contract may be an embarrassment, but the sums at stake in that enterprise are dwarfed by the rewards to be reaped by anyone with the right connections from Iraq's $16 billlion annual oil exports. It is an area in which Chalabi has not been idle. Last November, for example, he demonstrated his influence and connections by orchestrating the removal of Mohammed Jibouri, executive director of the state oil marketing agency (SOMO), a key position that controls Iraq's oil sales. Jibouri's offense had been to inform the giant oil trading firm Glencore that it could not trade Iraqi oil due to its behavior while trading oil with the former regime. Within days, the official had been placed on an enforced year's leave of absence and ordered to vacate both his office and his apartment in the oil ministry complex.

"Chalabi was absolutely responsible for getting rid of Jibouri," says a well connected oil trader. "Now Nabil (Mousawi, Chalabi's proxy on the Governing Council) travels with the minister to Opec conferences and is trying to make oil deals."

"I asked Ibrahim Bahr Uloom (the oil minister) why he was taking Mousawi to Opec," says an old friend of Uloom. "He said, 'Ahmed forced me.'" Several well placed oil industry sources have confirmed to me that Mousawi has approached at least two international oil companies with offers to represent them in Iraq (the offers were rebuffed) and has himself been trading Iraqi oil.

"Believe me, no," said Mousawi when I asked him about these offers.

"Not that I would not do it if I was not connected to the Governing Council (but) it's quite difficult to carry on both sides...There'll be a lot of money to be made (in Iraq) for many years to come." He also denied that he has been trading oil, and insisted that Jibouri was dismissed after an investigation by the finance committee of the Iraqi Governing Council (Chairman: A. Chalabi) for giving contracts to firms who had flouted sanctions, rather than the other way round. Chalabi on the other hand denied to me that the Governing Council, let alone he himself, had anything to do with the matter.

Chalabi also told me flatly that he is not presently engaged in any private business dealings in Iraq. Many in the region have a different impression, including oil traders using unofficial ports that have sprung up down the Shatt al-Arab from Basra.

Oil minister Ibrahim Bahr Uloom is considered a close ally of Chalabi's, but he is only one of a number of key officials widely regarded by Iraqis to be in the INC chief's pocket. Finance minister Kamil Gailani, formerly a waiter in the Sinjan restaurant in downtown Amman, is viewed as another Chalabi acolyte, as is the head of the central bank and the bosses of the two leading commercial banks. Nephew Salem Chalabi, who has nworked closely with free market fundamentalist fanatics from the CPA on framing crucial occupation edicts, is now overseeing preparations for the trial of Saddam Hussein.

These connections, together with Chalabi's own chairmanship of the Governing Council's finance committee, facilitate such maneuvers as Gailani's current efforts to recruit a western law firm to advise on renegotiating Iraq's overseas debt. British and American lawyers mulling a bid for the contract are in no doubt that it is Chalabi who will be supervising the renegotiation, nor are they unaware of the moneymaking potential of the process. Some officials in Washington are no less perturbed by his efforts to get what one calls "his grubby little hands" on pools of cash secretly stashed abroad by Saddam Hussein. "That money belongs to the Iraqi people," says the official, "not Ahmed Chalabi. (Chalabi is also recruiting law firms to investigate the UN oil-for -food scandal, which, like Saddam's intelligence files, should provide him with a trove of useful information.)

This is not the first time that Chalabi's sources of finance have attracted attention in Washington. In 2002, US State Department auditors probing what had happened to a US subsidy of Chalabi's INC queried the lack of accounting for the large sums spent on an "Intelligence Collection Program." Chalabi refused a more precise accounting on the grounds that his agents' lives were at stake. But according to one former Chalabi associate, at least some of the intelligence money had actually been spent in Iran, which would have been a good reason for keeping the accounts a little fuzzy. This former associate recalls, that, in the late '90s, "Ahmed opened an INC office in Tehran, spending the Americans' money, and he joked to me that 'the Americans are breaching their embargo on Iran.'"

At the time, Chalabi let it be known just who his friends were in Tehran. "When I met him in December 1997 he said he had tremendous connections with Iranian intelligence," recalls Scott Ritter, the former high profile UN weapons inspector. "He said that some of his best intelligence came from the Iranians and offered to set up a meeting for me with the head of Iranian intelligence."

Had Ritter made the trip (the CIA refused him permission), he would have been dealing with Chalabi's chums in Iranian Revolutionary Guard intelligence, a faction which regarded Saddam Hussein with a venomous hatred spawned both by the bloody war of the 1980s and the Iraqi dictator's continuing support of the terrorist Mojaheddin Khalq group. They had a clear interest in fomenting American paranoia about Saddam, which makes them the most likely authors of at least one carefully crafted piece of forged intelligence regarding Saddam's nuclear program -- an operation in which a Chalabi-sponsored defector played a central role.

Early in 1995, an "Action Team" of inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency descended on the offices of the Iraqi nuclear program in Baghdad. They had with them a 20 page document that apparently originated from inside "Group 4," the department that had been responsible for designing the Iraqi bomb. The stationary, page numbering, and stamps all appeared authentic, according to one senior member of the Iraqi bomb team. "It was a 'progress report,'" he recalls, "about 20 pages, on the work in Group 4 departments on the results of their continued work after 1991. It referred to results of experiments on the casting of the hemispheres (ie the bomb core of enriched uranium) with some crude diagrams." As evidence that Iraq was successfully pursuing a nuclear bomb in defiance of sanctions and the inspectors, it was damning.

The document was almost faultless, but not quite. The scientists noticed that some of the technical descriptions used terms that would only be used by an Iranian. "Most notable," says one scientist, "was the use of the term 'dome'--'Qubba' in Iranian, instead of 'hemisphere'--'Nisuf Kura' in Arabic." In other words, the document had to have been originally written in Farsi by an Iranian scientist and then translated into Arabic.

Tom Killeen, of the Iraq Nuclear Verification Office at IAEA headquarters in Vienna, confirms this account of the incident. "After a thorough investigation the documents were determined not to be authentic and the matter was closed."

Asked how the IAEA obtained the document in the first place, Killeen replied "Khidir Hamza." Hamza was the former member of the Iraqi weapons team who briefly headed the bomb design group before being relegated to a sinecure posting (his effectiveness as a nuclear engineer was limited by his pathological fear of radioactivity and consequent refusal to enter any building where experiments were underway.) In 1994 he made his way to Ahmed Chalabi's headquarters in Iraqi Kurdistan, and eventually arrived in Washington. where he carved out a career based on an imaginative claim to have been "Saddam's Bombmaker."

As late as the summer of 2002 Hamza was being escorted by Chalabi's Washington representative Francis Brooke to the Pentagon to brief Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz on details of Saddam's allegedly burgeoning nuclear weapons program. There is no indication that he himself ever visited Iran. Asked by e-mail whether he had been receiving intelligence from the Iranians, Chalabi, despite his 1997 assertion to Scott Ritter, rejects the charge as "an absolute falsehood." Judging by his frequent visits to Iran, and the warm manner in which his underlings discuss the ayatollahs' regime, Chalabi links with Tehran are still strong. No less important are his ties with the neocon gang in Washington, who still maintain that the big mistake of the occupation was not putting Ahmed in charge right away, Simultaneously, his championship of Shi'ite groups in Iraq becomes ever more assertive -- his newspaper has recently been campaigning against Adnan Pachachi for allegedly excluding Moqtada al-Sadr from the Governing Council!

One well connected Iraqi told me recently, "he will play the Shia extremist card for all it is worth. He's quite prepared to break Iraq apart if it serves his purpose. He's really dangerous now."

Andrew Cockburn is the co-author of Out of the Ashes: the Resurrection of Saddam Hussein and a contributor to CounterPunch's hot new history of the last three US military operations, Imperial Crusades. He wishes to acknowledge the generous support of the Graydon Carter Foundation in the preparation of this article.

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:05 AM
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42. Don't forget Ari too
He left the day the story broke or the day after. Hmmm....
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 10:32 PM
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15. A reminder of the smear of Jack Shaw
DoD Statement on Jack Shaw and the Iraq Telecommunications Contract
For several months there have been allegations in the press that activities of John A. Shaw, Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for International Technology Security, were under investigation by the Inspector General of the Department of Defense (DoD IG). The allegations were examined by DoD IG criminal investigators in Baghdad and a criminal investigation was never opened.

Furthermore, attempts to discredit Shaw and his report on Iraqi telecommunications contracting matters were brought to the attention of the DoD IG and were accordingly referred to the FBI.

Shaw carried out his duties in the investigation of Iraqi telecommunications matters pursuant to the authorities spelled out in the Memorandum of Understanding between the DoD IG and the Acting Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition, Technology and Logistics. Shaw provided a copy of his report to the DOD IG and, at the request of the Coalition Provisional Authority, to the Iraqi National Communications and Media Commission.

Shaw is not now, nor has he ever been, under investigation by the DoD IG. Any questions concerning FBI activities should be addressed to the FBI.
http://www.dod.mil/releases/2004/nr20040810-1103.html

Winds of Change:Troubled Waters Ahead For the Neo Cons
by
Wayne Madsen

The neo-con attack on Shaw was predictable considering their previous attacks on Ambassador Joe Wilson, his wife Valerie Plame, former U.S. Central Command chief General Anthony Zinni, former counter-terrorism coordinator Richard Clarke, former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill, CIA counter-terrorism agent Michael Scheuer (the "anonymous" author of Imperial Hubris who has recently been gagged by the Bush administration), fired FBI translator Sibel Edmonds (who likely discovered a penetration by Israeli and other intelligence assets using the false flag of the Turkish American Council and who also has been gagged by the Bush administration), and all those who took on the global domination cabal. But Shaw showed incredible moxie. When he decided to investigate Pentagon Inspector General Reports that firms tied to Perle and Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz were benefiting from windfall profit contracts in Iraq, Shaw decided to go to Iraq himself to find out what was going on. When Shaw was denied entry into Iraq by U.S. military officers (yes, a top level official of the Defense Department was denied access to Iraq by U.S. military personnel!), he decided to sneak into the country disguised as a Halliburton contractor. Using the cover of Cheney's old company to get the goods on Cheney's friends' illegal activities was yet another masterful stroke of genius by Shaw. But it also earned him the wrath of the neo-cons. They soon leaked a story to the Los Angeles Times claiming that Shaw actually snuck into Iraq to ensure that Qualcomm (on whose board sat a friend of Shaw's) was awarded a lucrative cell network contract.

But nothing could be further from the truth. Shaw, who worked for Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush, represented the Old Guard Republican entity that in August 2003 set up shop in the Pentagon right under the noses of Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and Feith to investigate the neo-con cabal and their illegal contract deals. The entity, known as the International Armament and Technology Trade Directorate, was soon shut down as a result of neo-con pressure. Not to be deterred, Shaw continued his investigation of the neo-cons. Although the neo-cons told the Los Angeles Times that the FBI was investigating Shaw, the reverse was the case: the FBI was investigating the neo-cons, particularly Perle and Wolfowitz, for fraudulent activities involving Iraqi contracts. And in worse news for the neo-cons: Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld was giving the Inspector General's and Shaw's investigations a "wink and a nod" of approval.

The financial stakes for the Pentagon are high - the Iraqi CPA's Inspector General recently revealed that over $1 billion of Iraqi money was missing from the audit books on Iraqi contracts. For Shaw and the FBI, it was a matter of what they suspected for many years - that Perle, Wolfowitz, and their comrades were running entities that ensured favorable treatment for Israeli activities - whether they were business opportunities in a U.S.-occupied Arab country or protecting Israeli spies operating within the U.S. defense and intelligence establishments.

Shaw certainly must have recalled how, during the Reagan administration, an Israeli spy named Jonathan Pollard was able to steal massive amounts of sensitive U.S. intelligence over a long period of time and hand it over to his Israeli control officer, a dangerous and deadly agent provocateur named Rafael "Rafi" Eitan. That had disastrous effects on U.S. intelligence operations throughout the world because some of the documents were handed by the Israelis to the Soviets in return for letting more Soviet Jews emigrate to Israel.

more

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/081104_winds_change.shtml


This the false "leaked story" that "someone" gave to the press about Jack Shaw

Defense Official Probed on Contracts
Los Angeles Times
July 07, 2004
T. Christian Miller

Washington -- A senior Defense Department official conducted unauthorized investigations of Iraq reconstruction efforts and used their results to push for lucrative contracts for friends and their business clients, according to current and former Pentagon officials and documents.
John "Jack" Shaw, deputy undersecretary for international technology security, represented himself as an agent of the Pentagon's inspector general in conducting the investigations this year, sources said.

In one case, Shaw disguised himself as an employee of Halliburton Co. and gained access to a port in southern Iraq after he was denied entry by the U.S. military, the sources said.

In that investigation, Shaw found problems with operations at the port of Umm al Qasr, Pentagon sources said. In another, he criticized a competition sponsored by the U.S.-led Coalition Provisional Authority to award cell phone licenses in Iraq.

In both cases, Shaw urged government officials to fix the alleged problems by directing multimillion-dollar contracts to companies linked to his friends, without competitive bidding, according to the Pentagon sources and documents. In the case of the port, the clients of a lobbyist friend won a no- bid contract for dredging.

http://www.globalexchange.org/countries/unitedstates/de...
Pentagon urges repeal of Iraq phone contracts


By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES


The Pentagon has asked the Coalition Provisional Authority in Baghdad to cancel three contracts for Iraqi cell phone networks worth about $500 million annually, citing fraud and the companies' links to an Iraqi-born Briton with ties to Saddam Hussein.
A June 14 memorandum from John A. Shaw, deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, says an investigation uncovered "fraud on the Ministry of Communications by Orascom, Atheer and AsiaCell."

The companies are suspected of rigging the bids for the cell phone contracts in favor of Nadhmi Auchi, who owns part of Orascom and a controlling interest in the bank BNP Paribas, which "is the French bank selected by Saddam Hussein to run the Oil for Food program."
"His role in assisting the Saddam regime, to his own immense profit, makes all three firms ineligible under Section 6.1.4 in that all the evidence strongly indicates Auchi had a direct or indirect ownership interest in all three firms at the time of signature, and his role continues today," the memorandum said.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20040621-115845-4340r.htm



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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 10:39 PM
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18. I've read comments around the internets today that she could've been CIA.
Somebody cited an article about Miller basically taking charge of squad of soldiers in Iraq when she was embedded. I don't have links for this, sorry...
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 11:07 PM
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26. Yes. eom
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 11:14 PM
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27. Don't Forget Fitz Is Also Investigating Judy
for the money laundering issue, tipping off an Islamic "charity" that the FBI was on the way. Frankly, in my opinion, JM is up to her eyeballs in many things we hope to know about. I've often wondered in the last weeks if the reason she won't testify is a CYA matter What was her real role in Plame?
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 11:26 PM
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29. Supposedly.
Between Miller and Fitzgerald, it's hard to know who to trust.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 11:47 PM
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36. This Might Help You Decide
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A55560-2005Feb1?language=printer
It's an article on Fitz.

Personally, I could never trust this woman who helped lie a nation into war.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 11:40 PM
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35. fyi.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4030434





Peace.

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 11:56 PM
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39. Miller also was pals with the late Dr. David Kelly, British WMD expert.
She failed to mention that she is one of the last person known to have communicated with him the day he was suicided.
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