"If we had all been standing behind our President..."

[earthside]

I've already heard this on a conservative-moderate radio talk show this morning from a caller: "If we had all been standing behind our President, this wouldn't have happened."

Brace yourself folks ... a new onslaught of "liberals are to blame" and "One Country, One People, One Leader" is about to begin again in earnest.

[Racenut20]

1. Just in time for the 06 elections.

[BurtWorm]

2. ...we would be down the rabbit hole, too?

:shrug:

[Kathy in Cambridge]

3. Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer

[Bouncy Ball]

21. Check your PM.

[Chipper Chat]

4. Who was the caller - Britney Spears?

Karl must be smiling.

[DisassemblingHisLies]

10. Oh, that's gooooood.

[eissa]

5. My response

But I thought we were safer with Saddam gone!

[skypilot]

6. They say these things as though they mean something.

"Stand behind" him how? How and why would this have stopped anything? I don't think the terrorist are fazed by pro-Bush bumper stickers and over-displaying of the American flag--which would probably be these morons' way of "standing behind" their president.

[tk2kewl]

16. fuck that i'd say ...

IT'S THE PRESIDENTS INCOMPETENCE AND LIES
THAT CAUSED THIS! IMPEACH THE FUCKING MANIAC!

[Name removed]

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[Coexist]

24. Standing behind the coward is the safest place in the world

because you know the yellow idiot would never place himself in any danger. He is the scaredy-cat-est world leader - EVER.

[JohnnyRingo]

26. LOL....Welcome to DU

just put him on a mountain bike with a bag of Rold Gold pretzels, and push him in that direction.

In 21st century Amerika, I hope that doesn't get your phone tapped.

[CitrusLib]

33. Ha! (and thanks for the welcome)

I'm convinced my letters to the editor already have me on some master list somewhere. My phones could already be tapped which is why I make it a point to answer, 'Hello. George Bush is the anti-christ, how can I help you?'

[dchill]

78. Don't forget the case of Lone Star!

n/t

[global1]

8. Yeah - And If That British Cop Was Standing Behind Him He Might Not....

have gotten hit by * on the bicycle.

[CJCRANE]

9. Well, Liberals said...

Before the war,

Liberals said: No WMD in Iraq. Verdict: Correct.
Liberals said: War will cause chaos in Iraq. Verdict: Correct.
Liberals said: Removing Saddam will not make world safer. Correct.
Liberals said: Invading Iraq will increase terrorism.Verdict...

[stanwyck]

12. and you are...correct n/t

[Xipe Totec]

11. For Soldiers to stand behind the President

He would have to be on the front lines.

Instead he is Hindmost with the rest of the puppeteers.

[Don Claybrook]

13. OK, I'll play this stupid game

Let's go hypothetical.

After the 2004 elections, we all began changing our minds. Something in the water, who knows. In any case, Bush miraculously ends up with a 100% approval rating. We all love him. He can do no wrong. We support every bit of his legislative agenda, and the newly-minted 100% GOP Congress has been passing bills left and right, with all the language written in the bowels of the White House itself.

Fast forward to London this morning. And the attacks never happened. Why? How does it follow that unconditional support of GW Bush in this country keeps terrorism from happening overseas?

I'm stumped. I quit. This makes no sense whatsoever.

[BiggJawn]

It's magical thinking.

The same superstitious bullshit that was good for sales of made-in-China plush bears dressed like soldiers and firefighters in the months following Sept. '01...

"If we ALL had only stood behind our Pretzeldunce, then Jeebus would have smiled, and the Magic 9-11 Teddy Bears could have worked their magic and protected everyone in the world. But since the LIBERALS HATE Bush, Jeebus cried, and the teddy bears were unable to work their magic, and thus people died. and thus it's ALL the LIBERALS fault that some poor little moppet is gonna have to go live in the David Copperfield Home for Orphans because her mummy and daddy died..."

:puke:

[navvet]

31. I hate to say it but I bet

a ten dollar bill that the shrub's approval rating goes up at least 5 points over this.

[RaleighNCDUer]

55. Well, obviously, our LTTEs and blogs are emboldening the

terrorists.

If we all gave * our full support, they would have killed themselves in despair and the London bombings would not have happened.

That's why we have to fall in line, or be silenced.

[northzax]

83. silly rabbit

it's obvious. look, I'll try to use small words since you don't have my strong freeper-edumacation. Bush=good. Supporting Bush=American Way, not-supporting Bush=terrorist (insert racist, bigoted, generally ignorant remarks here) think us weak. so they attack england.

go it?

liberals. hmph

[Sparkly]

14. What's the logic in that?!?

:shrug:

[underpants]

22. If we hadn't forced him to take a 60 city 60 day campaign swing

to "make the American people understand" the crisis in Social Security he could have been back in DC doing what he does best, working hard on the hard work of protecting America just like he did before 9/11.

[rman]

23. Obviously the terrorists would be intimidated

by the sight of all those people standing behind their president.
OK maybe not.

[ProfessorGAC]

75. You're Looking For Logic On RW Radio?

Be serious! Facts, logic, and critical thinking have no place in that whole philosophy.
The Professor

[gollygee]

15. If none of us had been standing behind our president

and hadn't voted for him, maybe we wouldn't be in the war and all this money being spent on the war could be spent on intelligence and security.

[ComerPerro]

17. And if everyone who supported the war was in the military

Then maybe the Iraq mess would be over by now...

[jaxx]

18. It smacks of the PNAC's.

Global domination at any price.

[Bouncy Ball]

19. Actually I have the opposite point of view.

If more Americans had used their BRAINS intead of being mewing sheeple, and OPPOSED bush's unjustified, immoral, illegal war on Iraq, things WOULDN'T BE AS BAD NOW AS THEY ARE!!! He has been fucking BREEDING terrorists, allowing al-Queda to THRIVE, refusing to catch OBL because he's too convenient of a boogeyman.

No, I say it is standing behind this immoral bastard ass son of a bitch that got us right where we are.

[fasttense]

20. If our President had been hunting down Bin Ladden, this wouldn't have

happened.

[navvet]

25. I am already hearing that

all my co-workers are talking of how happy they are that Bush is president and keeping the nation safe (barf).

This has the potential to marginalize us (democrats) if we come off looking like we de facto support the bombers we will look bad and cede the battlefield to the GOP.

We must take pains to look like we are willing to defend the nation.

Many posts I have read today make us look petty and like we would take the side of the people who did this.

We must show how leaving Iraq is a good policy and not cutting and running.

If we get tagged with the same "blame American first" tag that we have for the most part carried for the last 30 years than we will continue to lose.

Stolen elections and Diebold machines not withstanding, the reasons we lost last fall was that to many people that who would have other wise voted Democrat did not do so because they were not convinced that we would keep the country safe.

It is sad but it is just that easy an explanation.

[Name removed]

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[Marnieworld]

37. No he stressed it.

"Marginalize 'us'" as in "we democrats". It's such a boiler plate post. Hey guys- I'm so with ya but we really should start doing and saying what all the right-wing pundits say we should. Yawn. :eyes:

[navvet]

42. Look did we win last fall??

And would conduct and statements like what are being posted today have helped us win an a nation wide basis??

Give me a break?

[Bouncy Ball]

44. She's suggesting (and I agree)

that you listen too much to right wing pundits. You accept their definitions. Which are NOT necessarily the truth.

[navvet]

39. Look Bouncy Ball I am not looking

for a flame war or a rhetorical battle.

But if you check the history a little you will find that the GOP has used the tactic of portraying the Democrats as weak on defense quite often and to great effect in the last 30 years (Example: Ronald Reagan).

I have served (USN) for a prolonged period of time on active duty and have a service connected disability for my service.

I stated that I am a democrat because I am a relatively new poster and I knew that my statements would not be considered to be strident enough for some here at the DU.

However I was under the impression after reading the rules that I might comment as long I am of the opinion that the Democratic party is the last best hope of governance of the nation.

I see no reason why I should have to defend my Democratic leaning to you just because I apparently am not as far to the left as you may like.

I will agree to disagree with you and fight for your right to your opinion, please allow me the same courtesy.

And I still think that when you strip it all away the reason we lost last November is that to many people (see the "Problem with Kansas")
were not convinced that Kerry would keep the country as safe as Bush.

They were/and are wrong but that is the way they voted, and insulting them does not help us.

[Bouncy Ball]

43. Who said anything about your service in the military?

"I have served (USN) for a prolonged period of time on active duty and have a service connected disability for my service."

Why mention that? I never brought it up or asked about it.

You HAVE talked as if you AGREE with such people, in this and especially in another thread, where you went on at length on this topic and how bush keeps us safe, etc.

Yeah, uh except for September 11th!

People didn't just vote for him for THAT reason, you know. I know people who would vote for someone with an R after their name no matter WHO they were, simply because their parents did and because they always have. Unthinking.

You are trying to boil it all down to just ONE reason and that seems rather insulting, too, doesn't it?

[navvet]

60. Okay I will agree with you concerning the reasons people

voted for Bush are more multi-faceted than just one reason.

I would also like to stipulate that I was not advocating that Bush is keeping us safe (which he is not) I was however trying to point out (perhaps in a haphazard and ineffective way) that this is all I have been hearing from my co-workers and on the radio (I can not get Air-America) and not every one I have listened to is a raving righty.

I think that 9/11 was going to happen no matter who had been selected by the Supreme Court 9 months earlier.

The planning that it took ensures it (it could not have conceived and planned in that short a period of time).

I think that our going into Iraq has made for more terrorist than staying out of Iraq would have.

But I also know that there is a palatable perception that the Democrats are considered weak on defense.

I hear it from my Korean War vet father in law and at vet meetings all the time. Maybe it is just me but I simply do not meet that many liberal vets.

I realize that my service it the whole scheme of things is small potatoes and I am not using it as some sort of a thing to be honored.

I know that there are many reasons why Bush won the popular vote last fall and I honestly believe that part of the reason was that some people thought he was better on security than Kerry.

Lets us be friends not rivals.

:dem: :hi:

[Bouncy Ball]

64. I don't know where you live, but there are plenty of liberal vets on DU.

I'm married to one. And his best friend is one, serving right now in Iraq (Basra, to be specific).

[navvet]

71. I live in SE Wisconsin

and the Navy Club I belong to is so conservative that it is not funny.

When I visit my wifes family in central Ohio (like I did 2 weeks ago) he always takes me to the VFW and again overwhelming conservatives.

That is what I based my observations on.

Most of the vets I have contact with at the VA hospital are much more interested in the care and service they receive than partisan politics, which is if you stop and think about it the way it should be.

I may be a little on the un educated side since I have just decided to get more involved politicaly.

Most of what I get for information is from Newspapers web sites and the ABC Note site.

DU is the only other information site I visit.

Perhaps there are others I am open to learning more.

A closed mind is a useless thing and I do not want a closed mind.

[nadinbrzezinski]

80. I'll add my Brother in law and my husband both USN Vet RET

and both are very liberal...

It is partly who is very vocal, also ... I hate to say it but the right has created this mythology and we need TO STOP playing along as the facts do not bear it out.

We have had the most problems with the armed forces when the Republicans get to play with the armed forces. It is also a myth that they love to sperad that liberals don't serve

It will take a while for you to realize how it is done, but mostly repetition...

Welcome to DU by the way, here is a cup of coffee,

[eissa]

40. Your co-workers are brain-dead

How are we safer? Blaming bush is not the same as blaming America. Where was this attitude of "stand behind the president" when Clinton was in the WH? I have read nothing on DU that suggests anyone is supporting terrorists. What I've read are comments that say violence begets violence. You must expect some blowback when you engage in a unilateral, illegal and immoral invasion of a sovereign nation and occupy it. It's bush's short-sighted, simple-minded policies that have gotten the world into this mess. Tell your co-workers that.

BTW, thank you for your service and welcome to DU.

[navvet]

62. I agree with you completely

"You must expect some blow back when you engage in a unilateral, illegal and immoral invasion of a sovereign nation and occupy it. It's bush's short-sighted, simple-minded policies that have gotten the world into this mess. "

Thank you

:toast:

[Sparkly]

47. I don't know what posts you're referring to

but Democrats do not "support the bombers," nor do we "look" like we do.

Democrats DO "defend the nation."

Anybody who thinks or says otherwise is either an idiot or a liar.

[RaleighNCDUer]

61. The only "Diebold notwithstanding" is Diebold not

withstanding scrutiny.

The election was stolen. More did vote for Kerry than Bush. They make the claim that people were 'not convinced' to explain away the discrepancies between the polls, the statistics and the votes counted.

[navvet]

63. Yes but how can we ever prove it.

beyond a reasonable doubt??

[stepnw1f]

69. "beyond a reasonable doubt??"

Is that the bar? Funny thing is, many on the otherside keeping using that in their arguments against a need for REAL election reform.

[navvet]

72. No that does not need to be the standard

used. I just want it to be proved to the point where the broad base of the public will accept it as fact.

Other wise it is to easy to dismiss it as crankery.

[stepnw1f]

73. Battles Over Perception?

"easy to dismiss it as crankery". That's only perception and for who? For the simple minded pundits in the media or for the average American? Because in all sincerity, it isn't easy to dismiss what most here find to be adequate enough. If it were easy to dismiss, we wouldn't be talking about it. THAT's a FACT!

[RaleighNCDUer]

70. That's what criminal investigations are for.

You don't start an investigation with 'beyond a reasonable doubt', you start it with a reasonable suspicion. The fact that it has not been proved is not reason for not investigating.

Start with the statistics. That leads to certain conclusions. Those conclusions lead to different hypotheses about how the counting fraud was perpetrated. The hypotheses will lead to particular individuals. Those individuals can then be investigated, and pressured to cooperate with the investigation. Those who did this did it mostly for monetary gain, not principles, and having no principles they will turn on their co-conspiritors in a heartbeat if they know they can cut a deal.

I'm sure there are some who do think that * is keeping them safe. But those numbers are dropping, not rising. We need to stress that London is a result of *'s policies, not a vindication of them.

There will be terrorist attacks here in the States, sooner or later, and we cannot permit them to spin it as a proof that we are at war, rather than a proof that we are less safe because of *.

[frictionlessO]

65. Oh hey, you must be making a ton of money to be able to pinpoint

exactly why we "lost". Im sure you're a well known socilogical researcher...

Trust me whenever I see a post that says for definitive purposes they know THE reason why we lost or were attacked or did this or that... I just automatically chock it up to more ranting. Your own words are no better or worse than anyone elses here, and certainly are not more legitimate becuase you work with a bunch of jack booted thugs that want to see me and my family converted, incarcerated, kicked out or killed. Just because I refuse to bow down to yours or theirs party line.

Your "friends" at work are not exactly the epitome of epic anecdotal findings. I heard two of my repug coworkers saying the exact opposite today, so basically your friends words really mean shit to me right now.

[Cocoa]

27. Chuck Hagel has blood on his hands!

the terrorists were beat until they heard his speech, then they bucked up.

[Yavin4]

28. What HASN'T Bush Gotten Militarily That He Wanted?

He's been literally given a blank check in the Middle East. He was given congressional approval for the Iraq war. He was "re-elected". He has total control of the media and the congress. What else should he have gotten that would've prevented this attack?

[dogday]

29. This President has not done anything to make us

safer. We have already invested 4 years into wars and deaths on both sides and we are no safer. How many lives and how many years is it going to take before they wake up and smell the blood?

[tjwash]

30. Riiiiight. Shrub has been handed everything on a silver platter....

...by a conservative stacked house and senate, and has managed to fuck that up six ways to sunday.

No way, no how they can spin that.

[flakey_foont]

34. Was that the wanker

on the Stephanie Miller show today? spouting off some kind of horseshit that we should support Fearless Leader without question..and all who did not were commie, debbil worshippers?

[tmorelli415]

35. Blame the American People?

We need to point out very clearly and decisively that when they make statements like that, they are blaming the American people for the terrorism. We don't need leaders who blame us and take no responsibility.

How about this: 'if Bush had listened to the American people this wouldn't have happened!'

[distantearlywarning]

36. Um...yeah.

If every single American suddenly "got behind the president" this afternoon, that would make Al Qaida stop blowing stuff up because....?????

Sure. Makes sense to me. :wtf:

[newportdadde]

38. My RW friend sent me an email.

Just one line. "Looks like Al Quida is still at large"...

Whatever the hell that means I just ignored it. What was I suppose to reply.. "No shit? They will still be at large when you and I are grey haired old men."

[tmorelli415]

41. Still at Large Because Bush Decided

it was more important to shit can Saddam instead of Osama. We aren't pissed off because Bush is fighting terrorism - we're pissed because he is NOT fighting terrorism!

[nadinbrzezinski]

45. My answer to that

because the job in Afghanistan was not finished, and the President did not allow for it to be finished.

[ComerPerro]

46. Reply with "Why won't Bush bring them to justice"

[earthside]

48. Reply this way ...

"Bin Laden is still free."

How difficult is this? Bush blew it. Because of his extremist neocon ideology, he took his eye off the ball -- to bring to justice the real perpetrators of September 11.

"Wanted, dead or alive" I recall Bush saying. He failed to do that, didn't he?

Bush also said that we were fighting them there, so we wouldn't have to fight them here. Well, they're here!

This is a horrible tragedy ... I hate the terrorist because of what they do to innocent people. And I hate them because, with leaders like Bush and his radical Republican cronies, they are able to turn this country inside out. So far, they are winning -- and it's because Bush has virtually given them everything they've wanted to subvert us from within.

[Sparkly]

49. Quote General Clark

"I'm not attacking George W. Bush for attacking the terrorists, I'm attacking him for NOT attacking the terrorists."

[Bouncy Ball]

51. Yeah too bad Chimpy McCokespoon decided to go

after a country that DID NOTHING TO US and leave a power and security vacuum there, thus CREATING NEW AND LARGER TRAINING GROUNDS for terrorists!

YEEEEE FUCKING HA, RIGHT?

[gollygee]

53. Yeah they're getting bigger and more popular

because of us.

[mondo joe]

50. Ha! They run every branch of the federal government, get everything

they want, but somehow we've LET this happen?

[Zen Democrat]

52. You know, I don't give a rat's ass what they say anymore.

I think the time has come to stop responding to their agitations, and just march forth with the truth. We can't be reactionaries!!!

We now know for certain that they are all a pack of liars -- and spending time on their bullshit takes our eyes off the prize. And the prize is getting our country back.

Seems to me that the lustre is off the right-wing hacks. More and more people are opening their eyes to the lies and deceit and corruption. All the Republicans needed to lose their sway with the majority of Americans was to gain this much power. They have no more scapegoats, and try as they might to invent them, they have become whiners. People don't like whiners. And people don't like this administration.

Let the talk show liars bitch and moan. They have real problems to be concerned about.

[Bouncy Ball]

57. The one thing those talking heads on radio and TV fear the most

is a dead mike and crickets chirping outside.

In other words, NO ONE LISTENING. Terrifies them.

Which is why I don't listen to them or read them. Not worth my time. If I didn't see the odd comment quoted here and there on DU, I wouldn't have any idea what they are saying. Nor would I care.

[Marnieworld]

58. Right on!

Stop reacting to their spin but lay out the truth for everyone to know. Dean never takes the bait. Conyers tells it like it is. Politics is dead as we knew it. It's not about rules or being polite gentlemen and ladies anymore. We should scream bloody murder from the rooftops. Scream it over their baiting spin talking points propaganda. This is about life and death and the very survival of the country. The Dems should stop playing the game and start just telling the truth again and again.

[warrens]

54. If the piece of shit hadn't attacked and murdered innocent people

And kissed Saudi, Pakistani and Israeli butt, this never would have happened.

[SiouxJ]

56. So typical. Shrub is never to blame for anything. I suppose

it was a liberal who invented bicycles so that's our fault too. It would be so nice if they would just wake up to the fact that they are defending someone who doesn't know wtf he's doing.

[jobycom]

59. A cop should be standing behind Bush, fastening the handcuffs

[stepnw1f]

66. Standing Behind This Traitor Is The Reason We Face Terrorism

These powerful corporations create the insanity we see now, and this scum bag of a traitor is just one tool.

Cowards stand behind this criminal.

[Pithy Cherub]

67. Tell it to the police man * ran over on his bike yesterday...

:yoiks:

[Catherine Vincent]

68. Had the republicans stood behind President Clinton, Al Gore

would be president and no terrorist activities would have happened. Yeah, I know but it sounds just as silly as that cspan caller.

[HughBeaumont]

74. The only way I'd stand behind Lancelot Link

is if he was on the edge of a cliff looking down.

Take a wild guess, dear reader, what happens next. :evilgrin:

[friesianrider]

76. Classic!

You almost have to laugh at it, if it weren't so fucking sad.

But, Bush and his supporters aren't exactly quick on the uptake for pinning blame after terrorist attacks.

Saudi and Egyptian terrorists = start a war with Iraq
al-Qaeda bombings in London = blame liberals

[baby_mouse]

77. If I'd been standing behind your president

I'd have rodgered the little fucker to within an inch of his life.

Then I'd have disinfected my dick.

[dchill]

79. One really cannot stand behind a president...

whose back is against a wall.

[BushFungus]

81. Yeah RIGHT!

that's OUTRAGEOUS!! Who said that!

[deutsey]

82. If "our President" had captured bin Laden and not diverted resources

from finding other culprits by invading Iraq, this might not have happened.

[understandinglife]

84. We might at least be safe from being hit by his tricycle.....

MissionNOTAccomplished: END Bu$h, Blair nuclear-age imperialism, NOW:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4039510



http://www.newsparkproductions.org

Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us - How ever long it takes, the day must come when tens of millions of caring individuals peacefully but persistently defy the dictator, deny the corporatists their cash flow, and halt the evil being done in Iraq and in all the other places the Bu$h neoconster regime is destroying civilization and the environment in the name of "America."

[Amaya]

85. For them it all about FEAR

Fuck them and fuck bush. None of this would have happened if bush hadn't invaded a sovereign nation, bomb the shit out of it and tortured it's citizens.

[MODemocrat]

86. Be thankful we weren't standing behind the president

when he was riding his bike. I'm sure he doesn't know forward from reverse. :dunce: :dunce:

[redqueen]

87. What utter nonsense.

If the idiot president had listened to his generals (and the left) before his war of aggression, this wouldn't have happened.

[jayfish]

88. If We Had All Been Standing Behind...

the impeachment of our President, this wouldn't have happened.

Jay

[Javaman]

89. he would have farted in our faces.