Okay republicans, tell me how it's STILL Clinton's fault!

[Deja Q]

I'm sick of this. You lot still blame clinton despite 5 YEARS of Bush being in power. 5 years is a hell of a long time. Has anything improved? NO. Have things gotten worse? YES. Did these things happen weeks after Clinton left? NO. The first "opportunity" happened NINE MONTHS after Clinton left. Which was MORE THAN ENOUGH TIME to get the supposedly shambled offices back in order.

Why didn't * tell us early on that Clinton made a mess of the FBI, CIA, et al?

He didn't.

Hell, Clinton signed into law enough programs and laws that have "republican" written all over them; he was en enabler for you lot as far as I'm concerned.

But I digress. You lot LIE when you pin it on Clinton. There IS no justification in it anymore; let alone from the start. (apart from NAFTA and the DMCA, but let's fae facts: Your precious * has done nothing to fix those problems and has merely ADDED TO THEM. )

So get your heads out of your soft parts; * is no different and he is in fact WORSE.

[getmeouttahere]

1. first opportunity 9 months after Clinton left....

and how much of that time did BushCo spend on vacation?

[hobbit709]

2. "Personal responsibility" only applies

to the rest of us.

[getmeouttahere]

3. Amen to that...

that was one of the few things I found attractive about the repug party, back in '94, was the personal responsibility thing. But they can shove that talk up their collective asses now!

[dogday]

4. The Hunting Of A President

if you have not seen this documentary, it is now on PPV and it is well worth seeing. It shows the lengths, moral and illegal, that the Republicans used to go after Clinton. If you ever felt like feeling sorry for these bastards, you will not anymore. The Republican party is a party of the immoral, illegal and corrupt, no doubt about it. They did not care who they hurt, what laws they broke to get Clinton... Make me realize who we are dealing with....

[FreedomAngel82]

25. I agree

I love it. I got the movie for Christmas. :loveya: When I watched it I was soooo angry. Oh Man. And what really pissed me off is what happened to his friend Susan McDougal. What she went through. :mad: And because she wouldn't lie for them.

[CottonBear]

5. Everything is Clinton's fault according to RW CSPAN callers

Every morning on Washington Journal, RW callers and guests blame anything and everything on Bill. Geez. He's been out of office for 5 fucking years. The thought that anything might be DimSon's fault just doesn't enter their pitiful, close-minded heads. :grr:

[stanwyck]

8. heard them this morning. And now they add

Hillary. Everything in this country is Bill and Hillary's fault. Everything.
(so far, they haven't added Chelsea to the list. Give them time.)
Hey, it beats actually reading, traveling, studying, talking to people of different religions and races.
Keeps their life nice and small. Just the way they like it.
It's a one size fits all answer.
For people who find complexity beyond their scope.

[CottonBear]

13. The people who blame the Clintons don't want complex lives or thoughts.

They don't want to think about the complex problems facing the US and the world. They are greedy, selfish, self-centered bastards. :(

I pity them. They have no idea of the dangerous path that we have been sent down by * and the Republicans.

[Deja Q]

9. Quite.

I even had somebody respond to me via e-mail in another forum (one of those log cabin idiots). Nothing more than empty brainwash speech scapegoating Clinton. (Clinton wasn't perfect and I've made enough posts on that) but I've got to wonder what is wrong with these people that they can't think for themselves? (and, yes, I am aware of 1998 and Clinton's desire to invade Iraq then; probably at the behest of what seems to be his best friend, George H W Bush... But how much weight does that carry WHEN COMPARED to 2003 and *'s actions? NONE. * was more than eagar to get into Iraq so he can have his own way. He surpassed Clinton's irresponsibility by actually GOING THROUGH WITH THE INVASION DESPITE THE SHEER LACK OF EVIDENCE, CHANGING HIS REASONS FOR GOING IN LONG AFTERWARD, AND SO ON. Clinton is not the problem here; * is.

Worst case scenario is that Clinton is a politician like any other. Why repukes (and many Dems) want to say that their side is 100% pure while the other is 100% corrupt is ASININE.

People obviously want the hate and politics to continue. Which means I'm about finished with it. May as well go move to the mountains and live like Grizzly Adams and be happy making friends with skunks...

[CottonBear]

14. I agree with your analysis of Clinton. He was not and is not perfect.

He is a politician. In fact, he's a damn good politician and a smart, well-educated and articulate man. That said, I certainly don't agree with all of his positions and views. None of us can (or should) agree 100% with someone or a political party. The sheeple blindly following * is what got us into this mess. :(

I know how you feel about moving to the mountains. Sometimes, the sheer magnitude of the disaster that is our current situation is overwhelming. I find comfort spending time with my horse. Cotton doesn't care about politics at all! Her biggest concerns are breakfast and dinner followed by hay, noon nap time and romping in her pasture. :)

Take a walk and enjoy nature today and forget about politics for a while. Cheers! CB

[zanne]

6. RW philosophy; "if you don't like the facts"......

change them. Nobody will notice.

[olacan]

7. At the risk

of being flamed there is enough blame to go back over a number of administrations. Carter with the hostages, Reagan, Beirut Barracks, A number of embassies, TWA jet Lockerbie(sp?), first WTC bombing, US Cole. My point is there have been groups attacking us for years, with various responses. Do I have the answer no, but I have been concerned for a long time before 9-11 about these attacks. Just as a close I spent 23+ years on active duty.

[Deja Q]

11. I wouldn't flame you at all... (see another response I made...) But,

Nixon opened the doors for offshoring.

Carter made his mistakes and was too honest about the need to use energy wisely (being honest alone will kill a politician's future, it seems).

Reagan/poppy made mistakes and ILLEGAL actions during their course. (I've a URL link in my sig line that'll put any argument to rest...)

Clinton - well, I've made enough posts regarding him in the recent past...

* is too obvious.

American arrogance and bullying -- AND over-reliance on products that come out of these terrorist-sponsor countries while exuding our arrogance- is the problem. And Reagan was the one who nixed Carter's energy programs. Poppy did nothing. Clinton nixed the 55mph federal speed limit. * wants to take over the countries and their resources. It's as simple as that. And not even for the benefit of Americans; it's for his corporate pals only - and those scum have no allegience to ANY COUNTRY. Only their balance sheets and annual bonuses, it seems.

[FearofFutility]

10. Clinton got a BJ in the oval office

Of course it's his fault. If he wouldn't have done that, the terrorists wouldn't hate us for our freedoms. :eyes:

[CaliTeacher]

12. And what about George Sr.?

It's important to remember that a lot of what Clinton is criticized for started in George Senior's administration, like shrinking the cold war military. You'll never hear Republicans complain that our military is so "weak" because of GHWB.

[Catherine Vincent]

15. I heard some idiot republican caller blame Clinton for 9/11 again

on cspan this morning. Those people are in denial that their doofus president dropped the ball on terrorism and three thousand people paid the price with their lives for that on Sept. 11th.

[heidiho]

16. Christopher Shays (R-Conn) said today that Clinton believed

that Saddam had WMD's (in rationalizing our war in Iraq).

They sure don't like Clinton but seem to invoke him on a regular basis when trying to cover their mistakes.

Republicans are so sickening.

[FreedomAngel82]

26. And also

W touts Clinton out around him when he needs his raitings. :eyes: Like with the Pope. They denied Carter going but sure brought Clinton along. Of course they had to deny Carter because he's such a great person and makes W look like the fake Christian he is.

[in_cog_ni_to]

17. Excellent rant and might I include

GET YOUR ASSES DOWN TO THE RECRUITING OFFICE AND SIGN UP TO FIGHT THIS TERRORISM AND WAR YOU'RE ALL SO DAMN FOND OF!!!!!!!!!!!!!


EVERY MORNING I listen to Washington Journal and EVERY MORNING some dumb ass freeper calls in and INEVITABLY blames Clinton for whatever catastrophe just happened. It never fails! They ALWAYS bring him into the conversation.

[stepnw1f]

18. Here's Why They Don't Speak for Themselves

They can't be held accountable for beliefs that are not their own. Cowardly, right?

In fact, they tell each other never to give in during arguments with the other side and always repeat the same gibberish no matter what, because in the end, all that matters is perception of confidence. This perception leads others, who are uneducated about a given topic, to believe they are winning.

All that matters to them is winning and throwing you and I bullshit to argue with.

They just don't give a damn about intellectual honesty.

[OrlandoGator]

19. You've misunderestimated the awesome staying power of the Clenis.

The Clenis owns your ass.

[BuyingThyme]

20. But he had sex with a woman!

And she wasn't even a prostitute!

This is seen as immoral and anti-business by the Republican Party leadership which is comprised mostly of gay johns.

[anarch]

21. clearly, Clinton's moral shortcomings led to all our current problems

If he hadn't put his penis in that woman, the whole world would be safe and peaceful. Or something.

Also, the economy just *seems* to be in shambles now...thanks to the absurdly high level of prosperity enjoyed under Clinton. See, it's all his fault.

[BuyingThyme]

22. Why do people think sex has something to do with morality?

That's a bizarre concept.

[robbedvoter]

23. because otherwise they'd have to think violence or worse -

look in the mirror. Sex is easy - you don't get any, you're hollier than though.

[anarch]

24. apparently, it has everything to do with certain notions of "morality"

judging by the popularity of "moral reasons" in a bunch of polls I remember regarding voters' deciding factors for going rethug and such...and it's always other peoples' sex lives, too. I mean, something along the lines of, "we must keep our moral values in this country...so let's make sure gay marriage is illegal!!".

I dunno. :shrug:

[FreedomAngel82]

28. All these people

think about is sex. It's simply amazing to me. Never poverty. Never health care. Never the economy. ALWAYS sex!!!

[FreedomAngel82]

27. I thought

Clinton just had a BJ? :shrug: Of course. It's allllways Clinton's fault. If it wasn't Clinton it would've probably been blamed on Jimmy Carter. :eyes:

[anarch]

29. you mean....ORAL SEX!!?!?!?!!

Why, that's just despicable and against Jesus!!! It's no wonder things are as bad as they are now...

...

Also, on edit, "if he hadn't put his penis in that woman's mouth..."etc.

[Karmageddon]

30. Actually, I love it - it makes them sound totally retarded...

I use the "it must be Clinton's fault" line around my freeper coworkers and family members all the time, for EVERYTHING.

Traffic jam? Clinton's fault.
Terri Schiavo? Clinton's fault.
Hurricane Dennis? That's Clinton's fault.
Broken dish? Clinton's fault.
Dog crapped in the house? That was Clinton too.

Now, whenever they hear someone say it on tv or radio, they get to think of me making fun of them, making them look like the assholes they are.
I hope they keep it up.