DU this Poll about the founding fathers and religion

[Melodybe]

http://www.historynet.com/


Do you believe America's founding fathers would approve or disapprove of the display of religious monuments in government facilities?

Currently 49% approve
45% disapprove

[sui generis]

1. good grief there are some stupid people in the world

maybe they should spend more time learning a little history and less time looking for polls to post on over there

The founding fathers abso-most-lutely would not have approved, and it is abundantly clear from the very real historical record of their letters and essays and a huge body of scholarly work.

Also whoever answered "would have approved" should have just said "I'm stupid" instead. It would have been more honest.

:rant:

[Iris]

3. There was a big ass "Focus on the Family" ad at the top of the page

when I voted.

Does that explain things?

[sui generis]

4. yup - "family values" is about destroying gay families

so history.net must be about destroying history.

The one core thread that runs through everything they do, think, or touch is profound dishonesty.

They co-opt words like "morality" and "values" when the fact is they are extraordinarily immoral in the values they profess. They're not innately concerned with right and wrong, and their actions prove it all the time, legislating discrimination, letting people starve rather than supporting social programs, letting our seniors and sick people die rather than backing universal healthcare, and pulling up the ladder behind them on social security while mindlessly backing a useless war that murders the children and parents and brothers and sisters of everyone involved. These people are not a moral guidepost to anyone. They are a moral lesson to the rest of us.

They are only concerned with power and belonging to the group that has the most authority, because that's what authoritarians do.

[Iris]

7. And don't forget their fear.

Their fear of actually having to live a life that is unscripted - of not always knowing the answers and having absolutes to live by, no matter what is happening around you.

[CrispyQ]

17. Family values =

MY family is valuable; Yours is not.

[Melodybe]

5. Also pushing a magazine with Robert E. Lee on the cover

the magazine was called Great Commanders :puke:

I thought with it's name it was a more legit site, oh well the freepers that inhabit there will get a shock when they vote in the poll.

[Iris]

11. sickening.

[Lecky]

2. done

[dogday]

6. Disapprove

49 approve
46 disapprove
4% are out in left field

[Mutley]

8. done

Here are the results as of my vote:

Total Votes: 4118

Do you believe America's founding fathers would approve or disapprove of the display of religious monuments in government facilities?

Approve: 49%

Disapprove: 46%

Don't Know: 4%

[jobycom]

9. They don't need a poll, they need an article to teach the truth

The opinions of the Founders on mixing religion and government is easily demonstrated.

The trend of asking people's opinions on factual issues that can be proven one way or the other is dumb. I also hate polls asking which sports team will win a game. Why is a poll needed for that? Just wait, and you'll know the answer. I don't need to know who wins the opinion matchup.

[bigwillq]

10. Done

Thanks for voting!
Total Votes: 4146

Do you believe America's founding fathers would approve or disapprove of the display of religious monuments in government facilities?

Approve: 48%

Disapprove: 46%

Don't Know: 4%

[grumpy old fart]

12. 48-46 Approve at the moment....

[Iris]

13. Disapprove is up to 46%!

[unhappycamper]

14. Total Votes: 4192, Disapprove: 46%

Thanks for voting!
Total Votes: 4192

Do you believe America's founding fathers would approve or disapprove of the display of religious monuments in government facilities?

Approve: 48%
Disapprove: 46%
Don't Know: 4%

[hyphenate]

15. Currently,

the standing is:

Approve: 48%
Disapprove: 46%
Don't Know: 4%

Multiple voting seems to be allowed. Get ready for some major polling!!

[hvn_nbr_2]

16. It apparently lets you vote more than once

I started reading a multi-page article on the site and the poll seemed to appear on most or all pages at the site. So I tried to vote again and it seemed like it let me. (I can't say for sure that the second vote actually counted, but it didn't give an error message or anything.)

[dalaigh lllama]

18. done

currently 48% approve
47% dissapprove

4291 votes

[Dragonfli]

19. Kick - NT

[Blue Gardener]

20. Done

Thanks for the link.

[Disturbed]

21. How many that voted "Approve" have read this?

Thomas Jefferson was a Deist. A Deist according to Webster's is (1) The belief in the existence of a God on purely rational grounds without reliance on revelation or authority; especially in the 17th and 18th centuries. (2) The doctrine that God created the world and its natural laws, but takes no further part in its functioning. Thomas Jefferson wrote his own version of the Bible (The Jefferson Bible), of which I own a copy. It TOTALLY removes all accounts of the divinity of Christ and all of the miracles - including the virgin birth. Benjamin Franklin was raised Episcopalian, but was also a Deist. John Adams was raised a Congregationalist, but later became a Unitarian. Here are what some of the other founders had to say about it.

John Adams:

"The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion."

John Adams again:

"The doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity."

Still more John Adams:

“...Thirteen governments thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind.”


Thomas Jefferson:

"I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth."

Jefferson again:

"Christianity...(has become) the most perverted system that ever shone on man. ...Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and importers led by Paul, the first great corrupter of the teaching of Jesus."

From Jefferson’s biography:
“...an amendment was proposed by inserting the words, ‘Jesus Christ...the holy author of our religion,’ which was rejected ‘By a great majority in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and the Mohammedan, the Hindoo and the Infidel of every denomination.’”

James Madison:

"What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of political tyranny. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy."

James Madison again:

"Religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together."

Thomas Paine:

"I would not dare to so dishonor my Creator God by attaching His name to that book (the Bible)."

* Amerika is sliding into the Dark Ages.

[Melodybe]

24. I love those quotes, suck on it freepers!

Our founding fathers were enlightened.

[SalmonChantedEvening]

22. done

Approve: 46%

Disapprove: 49%

Don't Know: 4%


:kick:

[Lecky]

23. bump n/t

[me b zola]

25. done

Thanks for voting!
Total Votes: 4570

Do you believe America's founding fathers would approve or disapprove of the display of religious monuments in government facilities?

Approve: 46%

Disapprove: 49%

Don't Know: 4%

[blondeatlast]

26. My results as well. Done. nt

[LSK]

27. what history site doesnt have info about Wall of Separation

http://www.usconstitution.net/jeffwall.html

[Eugene]

28. Done 49% disapprove.

4588 votes

46% Approve
49% Disapprove
4% Don't Know

[NMMNG]

29. Done

Approve: 45%

Disapprove: 50%

Don't Know: 4%

[cynatnite]

30. done...I forgot earlier today n/t

[wookie294]

31. Just voted !!

Thanks! It's now 50 - 45 AGAINST monuments on government property.

[CJCRANE]

32. Surely if

the Founding Fathers approved of religious monuments in govt facilities they would have put some there themselves...?

[fleabert]

33. kick...and there's quite a bit of history on this...

they wouldn't like it one bit.