Is the CIA Behind the Iraqi "Insurgents"--and Global Terrorism?

[G2099]

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According to a classified document prepared for Rumsfeld by his Defense Science Board, the new organization--the "Proactive, Preemptive Operations Group (P2OG)"--would actually carry out secret missions designed to provoke terrorist groups into committing violent acts. The P2OG, a 100-member, so-called "counter-terrorist" organization with a $100-million-a-year budget, would ostensibly target "terrorist leaders," but according to P2OG documents procured by Arkin, would in fact carry out missions designed to "stimulate reactions" among "terrorist groups"--which, according to the Defense Secretary's logic, would subsequently expose them to "counter-attack" by the good guys. In other words, the plan is to execute secret military operations (assassinations, sabotage, "deception") which would intentionally result in terrorist attacks on innocent people, including Americans--essentially, to "combat terrorism" by causing it!

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http://globalresearch.ca/articles/MOR505A.html

[spooked911]

1. In a word, Yes.

[pocket]

2. and the Mossad, and maybe MI6

one couldn't hide it from the other forever. They have to be at least tacitly in cahoots.

[geek tragedy]

16. I assume you think that the French DGSE and Russian state intelligence

services also must be in on it too, right?

Or is it just Jews and Anglophones that have clever intelligence services?

[pocket]

17. I don't know the state of French or Russian spy agencies

but the French couldn't even sink a GreenPeace ship without getting caught.

Russia, I fear, is not what it once was.

[lvx35]

9. Pentagon is not CIA

is not FBI, etc. They are very different organizations...Especially this pentagon shit off on the side...FBI and CIA have been merged a lot more into homeland security.

[spooked911]

20. Okay, good point. Details! Details!

[JohnnyBoots]

3. How long has the P2OG been around and

did it see any action yesterday?

[getmeouttahere]

4. Well, somebody besides OBL is....

how else do you explain OBL evading capture all this time? Not to mention when explosives/demolision experts talking about the Twin Towers collapses looking like a controlled demolition. It's all just way to fishy for me!

[JohnnyBoots]

5. Look into the Project for the New American Century

[Karenina]

6. What we are seeing now

is the blooming of a vicious, predatory weed planted MANY decades ago.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x46709

Get up to speed, kids. ALL our lives hang in the balance.

[blm]

11. Yep...if you know even 1/2 the BCCI story you know what's going on today

.

[Karenina]

18. HALLO!

:hi:

[leveymg]

7. It's neocon buzzspeak for agents provocateur. Been around since

the time of the Imperial Russian secret police, the "Okhrana", more than a century ago. Many of the most ruthless "terrorist" assassins and bombers turned out to be Okhrana agents provocateur.

The Okhrana carried out terrorist operations all over the world, and were likely responsible for the Observatory bombing in Greenwich England in the 1880s. Read Conrad's "The Secret Agent", which is based on that incident.

The Okhrana didn't save the Czar, and I doubt of P2OG (if there is such a thing) will do much to extend Shrub's reign of terrible error.

[Double T]

8. I've always thought something like this might be true....

bush's reaction when he was first told about 9-11 in the elementary school classroom was beyond bizarre, like he already knew it was going to happen.

[JohnnyBoots]

10. Yeah I think he might have heard

grumblings about it, but he thought he was in charge. That is when he learned that he is just a spokesmodel for some very evil and powerfull people.

[DFWdem]

12. I suppose anything's possible

"--would actually carry out secret missions designed to provoke terrorist groups into committing violent acts." ... "would in fact carry out missions designed to "stimulate reactions" among "terrorist groups"--which, according to the Defense Secretary's logic, would subsequently expose them to "counter-attack" by the good guys."

It appears they paid a bunch of Iraqi citizens to go to mosques and pray, and they also paid Iraqis to stand in line near police stations and other areas looking for jobs. These actions provoked a response from the "insurgents".

[fla nocount]

13. Was Oswald just a really good shot? n/t

[lvx35]

14. This is really counterproductive

I've spent a lot of time speculating about this kind of thing and in the end it was time wasted. The fact of the matter is that good policy will work against Al Queda, whomever they are. Its irrelevant to wonder if the illuminati or isrealis or whomever is behind them.

[leveymg]

15. There is one really creepy document quoted in here. Read this:

The article cites a 1970 US gov't planning paper, FM 30-31B, that purportedly describes the use of terrorism to achieve US political goals abroad (the "strategy of tension", as it was called in Italy during the 1970s and 1980s):

According to FM 30-31B
"there may be times when Host Country Governments show passivity or indecision in the face of communist subversion and according to the interpretation of the US secret services do not react with sufficient effectiveness. Most often such situations come about when the revolutionaries temporarily renounce the use of force and thus hope to gain an advantage, as the leaders of the host country wrongly consider the situation to be secure. US army intelligence must have the means of launching special operations which will convince Host Country Governments and public opinion of the reality of the insurgent danger."

Host Country Governments. Kinda sounds like Europe to me, as the E-3 backpeddles away from military engagement in the Middle East. The article offers this caveat about that document's disputed authenticity:

The U.S. Army now claims the document was a Russian forgery. Journalist Allan Francovich in his BBC documentation on Gladio and US/NATO "special operations" terrorism, asked Ray Cline, CIA deputy director from 1962 to 1966, if he believed FM 30-31B was for real and he replied: "Well, I suspect it is an authentic document. I don't doubt it. I never saw it but it's the kind of special forces military operations that are described," to be implemented at the discretion of the president and Defense Department on the "appropriate occasion."

It could be that in Iraq--and elsewhere around the world--the "appropriate occasion" has arrived.

[leveymg]

19. For anyone interested in FM 30-31B forgery question

This article seems pretty solid:

http://cryptome.org/cia-FM30-31B.htm

[Oversea Visitor]

21. I will not be surprise

Sadly thats is how far the US has sink interms of moral value judgements. I even consider the CIA as on the list of suspects in connection to the London attack

[rman]

22. Surely terrorism is largely a manufactured problem,

and terrorists a manufactured enemy, for the most part.
And many operatives on both sides of the war on terror are "agents of influence".
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4055359