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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 06:56 PM
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must ask. having seen Andy Stephenson issue..what up with Bev?
I read there was a falling out between Bev Harris and Andy and now I'm hearing she's persona non grata?

Because I was away from here QUITE A BIT after last November I have totally been out of the loop.

anyone? just summarized recap?
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 07:02 PM
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1. anyone? anyone?
and the only reason I ask is I sort of debated whether to believe Bev Harris much early on around oh....maybe late 2002 or early 2003. then she gained credibility....

now I see she's off the DU scene. just curious
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Bleacher Creature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:21 PM
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2. I was about to post a similar question.
I (like a lot of us) gave her a little bit of money after hearing her interview with Randi. Since then, I've heard bits and pieces about her lack of accountability (on Randi's show) and about her being banned from DU. Is it really true that she's been involved w/ the Scamdy crap??

I wish I could get my $15 back!!
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:27 PM
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4. Yes, it's true
And if it's the last thing I do on this earth, I intend to ensure she wears that shame around her neck for the rest of her days.

Here's just one of several posts of Bev's on freerepublic during the time those animals were stopping his surgery:

Ted is an able-bodied and very intelligent man who chooses not to be employed.

We wish Andy a recovery free of complications, and I do believe that he is indeed going in for treatment at Johns Hopkins, and that he does have significant health problems. I do not think I've seen him, personally, say that he has pancreatic cancer. That is a diagnosis put forward on his behalf by others, if I'm not mistaken. I doubt very much that he is dying, but that does not mean that he is not at risk.

I will say this: Someone in my immediate family, whom I adored, died of pancreatic cancer. We lost him in six months, he was in considerable pain, and he certainly would have been unable to travel around the country, looking plump, cherubic and rosy-cheeked, giving speeches.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1402493/posts?q=1&&page=1101#1147

Be sure to compare those highlighted terms to the words on those vile websites........

Bev was just banned from here again, still maligning Andy in other threads.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:29 PM
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6. Why would she post on fr except to trash Andy? Are they responsive to
her BBV message there? :shrug:
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:32 PM
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7. Of course not
Edited on Fri Jul-08-05 10:33 PM by Boredtodeath
They just wanted her "Andy knowledge" so they could torment a dying man with her help.

Do a search on her freeper name = BevHarris. See for yourself.

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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:42 PM
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10. I can't bear to go there, to read her posts. But did she even EVER try
to promote voting accountability there? Or just posted to trash Andy, and DU?
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:45 PM
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12. Actually, she did a lot of bashing John Kerry and
Conyers. After she got done with DU and Andy.

She actually accused the "Kerry Team" of election fraud in Volusia County, FL saying they told her to "get out of town."

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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:30 PM
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29. Are her Volusia tapes serious evidence?
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:47 PM
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32. Hell, no
Did you read the posts on that thread? Evidently, the video and audio aren't even legible.

Here's the exchange:

The sound quality is poor. I can't understand most of the dialogue. Is there any chance of posting a transcript?

There were a few places where I could understand it, but more where I couldn't.

It would be great to have the names of the various staff members who "featured," if those names are known.

All we know is that the guy I wrestled with is named "Pete" -- we wonder who the two women were, and I do not have the name of the African-American gentleman either, but both he and Pete were summoned to the elections office later that afternoon, because we saw them come in.

-- Bev
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:49 PM
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14. Yes she promoted herself there and the freeps laugh at her
knowing that she is such a fraud. She has a thread over there where she admits to providing Rossi's team with information to use in the recount battles.

She has tried to get them in her corner, her stance being that fair elections is a non-partisian interest. Of course, she bashes dems while making the sales pitch.

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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:02 PM
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20. One of my favorite posts of hers was when she claimed that GW ordered
her book. Psycho lying witch.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:06 PM
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24. I think you are being way too kind!
We all knew that was a lie - GWB can't read a real book. Was her book a coloring book?

:evilgrin:

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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:14 PM
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25. Paint by numbers. :D
It would have been a sketch pad had DUers not done the work for her.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:32 PM
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30. Oh, again, way tooooo kind.
She had nothing original and she couldn't afford a sketch pad had it not been for DUers.

Of couse, she has those clinton cigars. :mad:

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Bleacher Creature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:33 PM
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8. (name deleted to protect source)
What the hell is wrong with people?
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:39 PM
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9. She was just banned again?
Do you have a link to her latest posts?

She is lower than slug slime without the glitter, IMHO, and I hope she comes to understand that fact about herself very soon as well.
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:43 PM
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11. Yeah, she was 'rightfoot'
She was all over Will Pitt's "rage" thread but they've deleted them all.

'rightfoot' posted on the Election 2004 forum too - do a search there.

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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:48 PM
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13. Ah, yesss...
pegged 'rightfoot' as a troll, never thought it was evilBev though! :rofl:
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:19 PM
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26. No wonder 'rightfoot' was so defensive!
I was wondering why the posts had been deleted. I should have known.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 12:44 AM
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33. Thanks for the heads up
My post in that thread was #250. I then had to go out for a bit. When I returned, this was one of the first threads I read. I had no idea that she had returned, yet again, to stir the shit as only she can. I am both glad and sorry that I didn't see them before they were deleted, know what I mean?

She would steal the pennies off a dead mans eyes if she could. The saddest part is she wants to be loved as he was and she never will be. Jealousy is a terribly ugly thing but on her, it is merely an accessory.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:50 PM
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15. Will that fucking asshole ever give up?
Why does she care so much what DUers think of her?

Venomous crazy bitch. Oh what I wish on her.....
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:52 PM
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16. Guilt
Plain and simple. The guilt drives her to do more vile things every day.

It's eating her alive.

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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:58 PM
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18. I think it's opportunism.
She's sitting at her keyboard tapping her forehead thinking, "How can I turn this tragedy around so that it'll be lucrative for me?"

Hope she rots in hell. No one on earth takes her seriously anymore--we DUers have made her the scourge of the left and the right. That must really get under her skin.

Fuck her and her mini-me Bevbot who does her dirtywork for her.
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:03 PM
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21. Whatever it is, it's VILE beyond words
And I guess normal, feeling human beings are incapable of understanding where such mean and vile things come from.

She sure fits right in with those monsters at scamdy.com, doesn't she?

I'd be willing to bet she's today's star over there - using the screenname Ghoul. It's fitting.

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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:04 PM
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22. I've said all along that she's behind it.
Karma, my friend. She'll get hers.
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Bleacher Creature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:21 PM
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27. I've kind of lost faith in karma.
There's just too many people out there who have done too many terrible things and have only been rewarded, reselected, or promoted as a result.

Maybe seeing Karl Rove carted off in handcuffs will help - though nobody should count their chickens yet. In the meantime, thanks for all the info (and that goes to everyone). When you do a seach, it comes back with so much stuff on Bev - it's hard to know what is what.
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:33 PM
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31. Yeah, me too.
She's WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY overdue for some of that karma, isn't she?

She's now cost a man his life - I think we have to stop waiting for karma and take matters into our own hands to show the world the true Bev Haris.

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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:24 PM
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3. Might be better to post in the Election 2004 forum
I'm sure somebody there can sum it up or link you to a post.
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:27 PM
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5. She's a troll.
Edited on Fri Jul-08-05 10:35 PM by philosophie_en_rose
Bev Harris originally intrigued a lot of people. She claimed to advocate for accountable voting. Andy tried to help her and then noticed some questionable practices. They had a falling out.

I don't know exactly what the issues were, but Bev Harris has shown that she has no decency by retaliating against Andy. She's resorted to posting at Free Republic and libeling Andy. {How the hell would she know whether or not he was dying?}

If she's participating in scamdy, she's absolutely disgusting.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:57 PM
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17. She encouraged them
with her postings about Andy on Free Republic, like this:

Now as for Andy: All of us at Black Box Voting wish him a speedy recovery. Medical treatment is never any fun. I do find the statements that he is "short" $4,800 rather curious, since we have his signature on the certified receipt for a $4,000 check from Black Box Voting that he has yet to cash. His spouse, Ted, also has about $100,000 equity in their house. Ted is an able-bodied and very intelligent man who chooses not to be employed.

We wish Andy a recovery free of complications, and I do believe that he is indeed going in for treatment at Johns Hopkins, and that he does have significant health problems. I do not think I've seen him, personally, say that he has pancreatic cancer. That is a diagnosis put forward on his behalf by others, if I'm not mistaken. I doubt very much that he is dying, but that does not mean that he is not at risk.

I will say this: Someone in my immediate family, whom I adored, died of pancreatic cancer. We lost him in six months, he was in considerable pain, and he certainly would have been unable to travel around the country, looking plump, cherubic and rosy-cheeked, giving speeches.

Maybe it is cancer, or perhaps a benign tumor or a precursor tumor, or pancreatitis (which is no joke either). Whatever it is, I am sure he is truly sick, and I hope he gets better quickly and as painlessly as possible. At the same time, I believe he should properly disclose the actual diagnosis. He often complained that he and his partner couldn't take a tax deduction on their house because he was the only one working and the house was in his spouse's name, and our state does not recognize gay marriage. It is possible that the two of them cannot obtain a loan on the equity on their house, because neither is employed.

While working for Black Box Voting, Andy was paid a salary of $48,000 per year. Because paychecks continue for a short time after termination, pretty much like any company where you get paid AFTER you work, not before, Andy was continuing to receive his regular paycheck in December while he was posting things like "I'm down to $1.21" at DU. He also received substantial payments from a donor named Laurie Grace during this time period. He was paid about $4000 from Black Box Voting in Feb., but though he signed for it, has not cashed the check.

Whatever his financial situation, we are glad that he is receiving top-of-the line medical treatment and wish him a speedy recovery. Sometimes the things he says are very annoying, but we all eventually meet our maker, don't we?

I'm content to let a higher power deal out the justice here. All I know is that I've been given a project to do, and along with other excellent people, most of whom I've been working with for several years, we are moving the ball forward each week.


I invite folks to drop Bev a line and ask if she believs he is dying now. Ask her if she wishes a higher power to judge her now.

The vile hypocrite has this posted on her site:

According to a post on Democratic Underground, Andy Stephenson died on Thursday, July 7.

Stephenson was Associate Director of Black Box Voting from June 27 to Dec. 14, 2004. According to the Seattle Weekly, Stephenson was suffering from pancreatic cancer.

Each of us at Black Box Voting is profoundly saddened by this turn of events. We offer our condolences to his family and friends.

Andy Stephenson had an irrepressible sense of humor, was fun to be around, and he was a passionate spokesman for this issue. He will be missed.

Bev Harris
Kathleen Wynne
and the Black Box Voting board of directors
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:01 PM
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19. Please check your PM.
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NC Beach Girl Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:06 PM
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23. just posted this in the election forums
someone asked the same question:


She posted frequently in the threads at free republic that were attacking Andy as well as sending an email on May 15, 2005 to the guy who PAYS for the scamdy site that he posted on free republic (do a search on that site for BevHarris for her other posts). I think she incited them to put up the scamdy site and was feeding them whatever information she felt would continue the vicious attacks.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1402493/po...
excerpt from her email to scamdy owner, emphasis mine:


We wish Andy a recovery free of complications, and I do believe that he is indeed going in for treatment at Johns Hopkins, and that he does have significant health problems. I do not think I've seen him, personally, say that he has pancreatic cancer. That is a diagnosis put forward on his behalf by others, if I'm not mistaken. I doubt very much that he is dying, but that does not mean that he is not at risk.

I will say this: Someone in my immediate family, whom I adored, died of pancreatic cancer. We lost him in six months, he was in considerable pain, and he certainly would have been unable to travel around the country, looking plump, cherubic and rosy-cheeked, giving speeches.

Maybe it is cancer, or perhaps a benign tumor or a precursor tumor, or pancreatitis (which is no joke either). Whatever it is, I am sure he is truly sick, and I hope he gets better quickly and as painlessly as possible. At the same time, I believe he should properly disclose the actual diagnosis. He often complained that he and his partner couldn't take a tax deduction on their house because he was the only one working and the house was in his spouse's name, and our state does not recognize gay marriage. It is possible that the two of them cannot obtain a loan on the equity on their house, because neither is employed.

While working for Black Box Voting, Andy was paid a salary of $48,000 per year. Because paychecks continue for a short time after termination, pretty much like any company where you get paid AFTER you work, not before, Andy was continuing to receive his regular paycheck in December while he was posting things like "I'm down to $1.21" at DU. He also received substantial payments from a donor named Laurie Grace during this time period. He was paid about $4000 from Black Box Voting in Feb., but though he signed for it, has not cashed the check.

Whatever his financial situation, we are glad that he is receiving top-of-the line medical treatment and wish him a speedy recovery. Sometimes the things he says are very annoying, but we all eventually meet our maker, don't we?



She is a disgusting person. Another source of information/links of her history here is compiled in this newbies guide to Bev Harris:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

And, of course...the quickly deleted lies that she wrote about Andy on her site when he dared to go to his sister's funeral and she fired him were saved here:
http://www.thoughtcrimes.org/blame_andy.htm
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:24 PM
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28. I don't think she put anyone up to creating the website.
I think she's the one who created it. Her fingerprints are all over it.
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NC Beach Girl Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 12:46 AM
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34. agreed
You're probably right, I know she posted there under a few names, particularly as "justwondering" attacking Andy and David Allen, too. She is posting there tonight...shocking.

Her posting "style" is easy to spot and she's all over DU as well (with one name banned just tonight, thank goodness).
Strange that she has so much time to devote to attacking other activists all over the internet when she's supposedly so "busy" with BBV.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 01:45 PM
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35. Check out...
"admin4"...it definitely her, too. I think she's just having conversations with herself.
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NC Beach Girl Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 01:59 PM
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36. ahh you're so right
I think she's just having conversations with herself.


Oh, so it's just like her other (BBV) site then where she heaps praise upon herself using various names all day long? She'd be hilarious if she wasn't such an evil troll.
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 02:10 PM
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37. PayPal payments?
Edited on Sat Jul-09-05 02:12 PM by janeaustin
How does one go about getting one's donated money back from Harris?

I donated both before and after the election to prevent and then expose fraud in the 2004 election, and I think the request was fraudulent.

I'd like my money back.


(Edited to correct typo.)
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 02:13 PM
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38. Complain to paypal.
Maybe they'll lock down her funds until they can do an investigation.
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