This is the reason the right wing attacked Andy

[Emerson]

First I have to say I was apparently not around for most of these events, however I have been reading the various threads on Andy and believe I have a basic understanding of everything that has happened.

I have to say that I am not surprised at this behavior by the right wingers. In fact no one should be surprised by what they did. They've been doing it for at least the past 30 years.

I believe right wingers as a *fundamental belief* absolutely hate kindness, generosity, and compassion. It is a fundamental belief that they have, yet it is not a belief they openly admit to.

It seems to me that they saw a massive outpouring of support and giving and it blew their minds. They are simply incapable of considering others besides themselves, and they fundamentally hate those who are empathetic to others.

It is the reason they hate social programs. They can not stand the thought of helping others.

It's the reason they hate taxes. They can not stand the thought of giving to others, and they are full of greed that demands they take every penny possible.

It's the reason they hate unions, because they can not stand the idea of the working class being treated fairly and with dignity.

It's the reason they don't care about destroying the environment because they don't care about other creatures.

It's the reason they target anyone who is not white, GLBT people, and other minorities. They want to keep as many people down as possible so they can be on top. Further, they take a perverted joy in tormenting others.

These are the people that beat and throw their own children out on the street when they discover they are pregnant or gay. They are monsters.

They are not even capable of understanding the idea of giving. When they see a dieing person getting help it doesn’t compute in their heads as even being possible. Therefore in their minds it must be a scam.

Each individual right winger only looks out for number one. They only work collectively because they realize it needs to be done in order to bring themselves to the top, but once they get there they will stab each other in the back. This is also the other reason they could not stand the help Andy got.

They know that if ANYTHING ever happened to them their fellow right wingers would tell them "too bad" "you're shit out of luck" "pull your self up by your own boot straps". I think deep down it made them angry knowing that NONE of their own would EVER help them if they were in need, while the left is so willing to help each other.

They don't feel any empathy for others. It's why they would amass millions of dollars and not donate a single penny to help the poor. They are like bush when he spoke to that parent who lost her child. They are totally incapable of feeling for others, and it allows them to do the most evil of things. When they see a person who is sick, poor, or weak they can only view them with contempt not compassion.

I am reminded of a movie regarding the Nuremburg Trials. At one point in the movie a prosecutor was asked "What do you think allowed the nazis to commit the acts they did?" and his response was "A complete and total lack of empathy".

The right has no empathy. Don't be surprised that they did this to Andy. They do it to millions in this country every day through government policy and their own personal greed, and they will always do it because it simply is the nature of the beliefs they have.

[Bluebear]

1. OH HELL YES!!!!

And that is why no message you could leave them at other sites would even have an impact. You can't reason with snakes. You can't shame the shameless.

Your assessment is stunning in its accuracy.

[tiptoe]

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[cynatnite]

2. Very well said

I also believe they think they have cornered the market on their kind of charity and their brand of christianity. To see what they are unable to do and have no compunction to do must've made them fuming with jealousy. It turned to spite and a horrific campaign of torturing a good man, his family and friends.

I have that movie on DVD and for the past two weeks I've wanted to watch it, but with some hesitation. It pains me to see those abhorrent traits in this country.

The more they do such horrendous things, the more they expose themselves for what they truly are.

[Fridays Child]

3. It is a law of RW ideology to annihilate, if possible...

...anything which undermines the tenets of the ideology. And what cannot be destroyed must be ignored.

[blm]

46. If it were just RWers it'd be easy, but it's RWers manipulated by fascists

and all the power they have accrued over the last half century.

The poor RW, no-nothing slobs are clueless about the real policies of those in power, so they concentrate on who to hate or blame....the fascists know just how to encourage their mindless battles as a way to gain support for their real goals.

[Wetzelbill]

4. and to top it all off, the person who was receiving this love was

a progressive activist. This was just a sick display. Any normal person would be sickened by this. This is one of the most vile things I have ever heard of. I thought the young woman in Pakistan, who was raped by some men in her village as retribution for her brother walking with another woman of a higher caste tribe, was bad, but this takes the cake. It's pure fucking evil to do that to somebody.

[bloom]

23. I think the situation of the woman in Pakistan

who was gang-raped as retribution was much worse, myself. It doesn't do anyone a service to try to compare evil situations and say one is worse than the other. And to minimize one over the other.

These scamdy people are seriously messed up, though, esp. in their obsession.

[Wetzelbill]

57. I meant it in the manner in which I was shocked by the actions

not to compare the acts itself.

[BikeWriter]

5. Well said! I'm glad you found us.

[Wetzelbill]

6. Welcome to DU, btw

[UCSBLiberalCat53]

7. I love the f'in HYPOCRISY.

When we point out the hypocrisies and crimes of Ronald Reagan when he died, we're disrespecting the dead and Saint Ronald's legacy, but freepers and their ilk have leeway to kick and bash the dead.

[ebayfool]

13. Wrong comparison ... no one here demanded to see proof of Reagan's

medical diagnosis (did he really have Alzheimer's? prove it!):sarcasm:

treatment plans (or were the doctors making statements really his friends in disguise?):sarcasm:

financial docs (he didn't really require all that high dollar care, he could have gotten it cheaper at a welfare hospital couldn't he?):sarcasm:

medical billing statements (after all, he was cared for on the taxpayers dime - wasn't he?):sarcasm:

death certificate (how do we know he's really dead?):sarcasm:


See the difference? Challenging a politician's policies or legacy is NOT the same as what was inflicted on Andy! No one tried to stop Reagan getting his medical treatment, no one taunted him or his family in his last days for sheer shits & giggles, no one stalked him as he went through his last days ... for the sheer joy of torture & entertainment.

The only people I've seen that begin to act as though there is any comparison of the two situations are the guilty parties that are trying to justify their actions after the fact ... after the harm's already done.

[UCSBLiberalCat53]

60. yeah that's true.

it's morality when the right does it but heaven forbid we criticize their saints. Please forgive me Saint Ronald for criticizing your policies.

[dogday]

29. I don't think anyone posted a site about RR

Although we had to endure a whole week of Marines carrying his coffin all of the U. S., we did not make fun of his illness or saying we never believed he was sick. His policies were another thing, that is politics...

The difference is they went personal on Andy, this was personal, it went beyond politics. These individuals, if I can even call them that are sick freaking people who get thrills off of bad feelings. It gives them a high and they are hooked. Bet if they just got laid every now and again, they would stop....

[UCSBLiberalCat53]

61. indeed

and they ACCUSE US of going personal on Reagan. I love how these right-wingers always accuse us of doing what they always do.

[xmas74]

8. Very well thought out

and I agree w/ every bit of that assessment.

BTW-Welcome to DU!

[rman]

9. So, election fraud was not a factor?

Andy was helping to expose the biggest fraud in the history of democracy.

The community support made Andy (even more) high profile.

The RW will do anything to try and discredit anyone who threatens their scemes.

[Stand and Fight]

10. Excellent Points.

Kicked and recommended. You're spot on with your words.

The movie is The Nuremberg Trials, and it stars Alec Baldwin and Brian Cox among others. Great film! I watched it last week, as I have it on DVD.

Welcome to DU! :toast:
We're delighted to have you here.

[bananas]

11. Lakoff said something about this

I think it was Lakoff
probably others said it too:
they view kindness as weakness

Welcome to DU, glad you're here.

[ElectroPrincess]

12. Exactly, case in point ...

True Right Wingers will NOT ever apologize for anything. They will always divert the blame to someone else. Always!

Especially the Fundamentalist Right Wingers are blatantly shameless and can no longer be ignored without dire consequences to our civil liberties. They capitalize on the terrorists' abhorent acts by encouraging peoples' feelings of FEAR and HELPLESSNESS (killers, terror, etc.) unless we react with overwhelming military force (their only solution). They also hijack "Jesus" and use pseudo-righteousness to spread their racism and promote hatred of anyone NOT believing (or looking) as they do.

It started with Newt's "Contract with America." That's when, within right wing circles, it was promoted for members to attribute almost EVERY conceivable *evil* in this world to liberal democrats.

Right now there's a possibility that the tide of public opinion is turing against them. Yes, despite the Corporate media being their compliant cheer leaders. Now, more than ever, it's important to stand up and be unafraid to speak out. The right wing is running scared due to their Dear Leader not delivering "democracy" to Afghanistan and Iraq.

Yes, NOW is the time to push back and reveal the Fundamentalist Right Wing's putrid agenda to the awakening public. That's precisely why their personal attacks are becoming so damn vicious. They sense that the party may be coming to an end.

Let's drive on through all legal channels fellow American Patriots? The forgoing is not hapless jingoism, it's genuine. We have been forced into a figuratively "take no prisoners" fight to maintain our blessed civil rights. To help return the USA to it's true place of dignity and leadership within the World Community.

[NJCher]

14. empathy is genetic

Not many people know that.

Sometimes I view the split in this nation as people who are more evolved than others.

I'd really like to think this isn't true but of the republicans I know, very few if any are capable of feeling for others. In just about every case, it's "me first." They think of themselves and if it's pointed out to them, they might, if you're real lucky, think of others. Even then, I'm not sure it really "sinks in."

I think of my republican father mowing his lawn one week when company was coming for a visit. He has a big lawn of over one acre and a riding mower. He had already mowed the lawn once that week. When he started to mow it again, I stopped him and pointed out that it already looked fine and that to do it again would only put more pollutants into the air. His response? "I want my lawn to look nice."

He could not see a connection between his behavior and the common good.

Unfortunately, their lack of empathy is paired with an aggressive trait to "get theirs" and even worse, destroy others in the process. This is what makes them lethal.

They are not necessarily very bright but they more than make up for it in aggressiveness and tenacity.


Cher

[sub.theory]

50. Empathy is genetic?

Empathy is genetic? Really? Could you please point out the specific gene(s) of the human genome that corresonds to the empathy expression?

In all seriousness, claiming that empathy is genetic is a very ignorant and dangerous statement. I don't know why the right tends to display such an astonishing lack of empathy, but I highly doubt that the reasons are genetic. I suspect that upbringing and social conditions are far more to blame - parents and the community teaching children how to behave.

[nashville_brook]

62. there is a genetic component, from my understanding, altho it's

controversial and not entirely understood. but you can look to people who clearly have disability with empathy, such as with Asperger's syndrome. i mentor an child with aspergers and my sense is that he has a deep well of feeling, but has difficulty expressing it.

there is most definitly a physical component to empathy. we know this b/c people with frontal and temporal lobe damage will lose their ability to feel empathy.

i think if you combine family upbringing with a natural propensity away from empathy, you emerge with a picture that looks very much like genetic inheritance, but is indeed a combination of factors.

this isn't to say that people who have less natural empathetic ability can't learn it. same as how people who aren't naturally athletic can still enjoy an active life.

[NJCher]

75. it's been known for years

I recall first reading about it in the NY Times Science section over a decade ago. Before you call anyone's statement "ignorant and dangerous," maybe you should pick up the (yawn) daily paper.


Cher

[O.M.B.inOhio]

15. empathy & imagination

Note how Repugs are so sure of their "common sense" views, their majority culture intellectual sloth, their prejudice that is reinforced by vapid sitcoms and locker room humor -- until they themselves experience some connection with difference or victimization. Cheney and his daughter, the Reagans and Alzheimer's / stem cell taboo... (anybody know what Brady's positions were on gun control before the attempted assassination of Reagan?) Some have a personal experience and become understanding or moderate; others ostracize the 'deviant,' but it just seems to be a lack of imagination on their part. What will happen when one of the Bush daughters gets knocked up by somebody unworthy of entering the dynasty?

[smirkymonkey]

68. Good post, but I disagree with one point -

NOBODY is unworthy of the Bush Family. ;)

[Cocoa]

16. wrong, RWers are just as human as we are

let's not dehumanize them or anyone else.

[noiretextatique]

17. indeed they are

and i don't think for a minute that most DECENT HUMAN BEINGS, of any political persuasion, would support the depravity of *some* at FR, CU and most at scamdy.com...even DU isn't exempt. the OP's post most certainly applies to those depraved ones, and the decent people of DU, FR and CU know that too.

[Swamp Rat]

42. WRONG! THEY are NOT human!

Quit helping the alien lizards!

[Sterling]

84. You like freepers way too much for my taste.

How could you waste 5 seconds of your life defending them?

[Paradise]

18. By 'George', YOU'VE GOT IT! n/t

[wli]

19. fascism, not true right wing

A real right wing is a moderating influence or at worst an honorable purely political adversary regarding how to address various social and economic issues.

What we're witnessing with the repeal of all civil liberties, total corruption of the succession process, complete revocation of the justice system, and comprehensive control of mass media for propaganda is fascism. "Terrorism" is a deliberately nebulous catch-all for "enemies of the state". The "eliminationist" neologism is a transparent euphemism for genocide. Vitriolic propaganda targets a religion and the remaining political opposition.

[Vinca]

20. And the real mystery is

how they manage to stir their religious beliefs into this. Shouldn't greed be number one on the verboten list?? Your post is exactly right. When someone asks me to describe the difference between Democrats and Republicans I always say, Dems care about everyone, Reps only care about themselves. They were truly rotten for what they did to Andy and that should make us fight harder for what's right.

[xxqqqzme]

49. rethugs - I got mine - go get yours

dems - I got mine, can I help you get yours.

[bobbieinok]

71. when it comes to choice between property rights and human rights

most of the time

....republicans support property rights

....democrats support human rights

IOW,

...republicans choose things/property

...democrats choose people

[In_The_Wind]

21. the many reasons you've stated sound all too true of a right-winger

well put

Welcome to DU Emerson

[scarletlib]

22. I think you are right on many levels.

[meti57b]

24. I agree with you.

[all.of.me]

25. what a great post!

this makes so much sense!

yesterday, i was thinking about how andy lost this battle, but i tempered my sadness by thinking, 'well, at least we proved that community DOES work!' it speaks volumes that people can work together, total STRANGERS can work together, to help others. it blows my mind what we accomplished. i will always feel proud about that, even though andy did not make it.

[mopinko]

26. that and sleep deprivation

seriously.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

27. Man the little pigs are squealing about your words as we speak

great post :thumbsup:

[SouthernDem2004]

28. Simplier answer IMHO...

Each side has its immature members that live for blogs. They want attention. Well, they found an issue that would get them alot of attention here on DU which was their intent. There are people that live to get replies to messages and to be noticed. There are no core cause beliefs that spur these people on. Its attention pure and simple.

Peace,

SD

[neebob]

36. That, too

if we're talking about people on the internet. They're brainwashed and unquestioning, and they've found a way to get attention and feel important.

[tosca_veritas]

30. I agree

Andy was my friend for two years and I just joined DU to reach out to all those who also loved and admired him.

I've tried to analyze this sick, perverted behavior by these people and came to a conclusion, that it boils down to two basic principles: LOVE and FEAR!

When you are ruled by fear, you fear loss of significance, property, security, love, the list goes on.. and it shows in many ways: hate, greed, arrogance, violence, selfishness, etc.

When you are ruled by LOVE, compassion, empathy, charity, JUSTICE, humility, etc......manifest as proof!

When I realized this, I almost pitied those who are ruled by fear...how deep must your fear be, to have a closed heart, to look the other way when seeing suffering? I can't fathom living like that.

Andy was all love! Love was always the core of his being, the source of his convictions, the origin of his compassion and passion, the force behind his tireless fight for the cause, and in the end, that which poured out and surrounded him! Love is eternal and all-powerful! Andy was my hero of love, my role-model and inspiration-- a life lived in love, is a model to follow! The footprints are there-- let's follow them and fear not!!!

tosca

[myrna minx]

37. Welcome to DU, tosca_veritas.

Andy was beloved to us all. He live on forever in our hearts. His courage and his bravery during the vicious attacks against him in his final days illustrate what an amazing human being he was and what strong and amazing people who were at his bedside when he passed. It also casts a bright light upon the depravity and viciousness of many on the right who would deny a man his precious life for their own sick gratification. Pro-life indeed.

To me, Andy will always symbolize fierce determination, passion, love and compassion. He is a beacon that blazes brightly. I too will look for his footsteps, to follow his example and strive to be a better person. Andy would have it now other way.

[tosca_veritas]

40. thank you for the welcome!

count me in!!

to paraphrase Woody Harrelson:

If you want to be part of the solution, start a revolution, I'll be seeing you around....

tosca

[tosca_veritas]

47. footsteps are spreading

I emailed michael rivero about Andy, and he posted my email on his site:

http://whatreallyhappened.com/letters/

I also contacted a friend who runs a progressive news site, and he posted the seattleweekly article about Andy

http://www.lookingglassnews.org/viewstory.php?storyid=1279


more to come.....and more to join in our walk...

this is only the beginning!

tosca

[Swamp Rat]

44. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[I Have A Dream]

74. Wow, I really think that you're right, tosca_veritas.

I've always heard that the opposite of love isn't hate but rather fear. What you're saying really explains basic fundamental differences between conservatives and liberals. (Of course, there are exceptions, but, for the most part, this really works.) For example, they think that there's only so much to go around, so if someone else gets it, there's less for them to get.

Thank you so much for the post, and welcome to DU! :hug:

[in_cog_ni_to]

31. EXCELLENT post!

:toast: and spot on!

[Jade Fox]

32. very perceptive....

I think you are correct. The kindness and generosity shown to Andy
triggered an outpouring of hate and rage in these people. They
probably know no one would do the same for them, so they had to
try and destroy it.

[WillyT]

33. Bravo !!! - And WELCOME To DU !!!

Recommended!

:toast::bounce::toast:

VERY glad to have you onboard!!!

:hi:

[neebob]

34. Well, I don't much about Andy or if or why the right wing attacked him

but I think the reason for their behavior is a little less insidious: They simply don't question what their parents and/or church taught them. In other words, they're brainwashed.

I became more convinced of this than ever last night, watching this incredibly scary and hateful AND POLITICAL sermon by John Hagee on TBN. He reminds me of my dad and my childhood in the Mormon church, although he's quite a bit more intense. My mother would agree with everything he said, although she'd say he belongs to the wrong church. Time was I'd have thought he was speaking the truth. It's not even worth summarizing; it's basically every lie I was ever told. But at some point I started questioning things and eventually went, "This is bullshit."

A lot of people never do that, but instead just continue to believe certain things are bad and certain other things are good. They never stop to ask if it's stupid to believe what they do or even if it makes any sense. They're just programmed to respond in this particular way.

[Southsideirish]

35. They hate goodness, itself, as they know they are the opposite. Evil.

[Beam Me Up]

38. BUT BUT, Aren't Most of them CHRISTIANS??

Don't they believe in the GOLDEN RULE of do unto others as you would have them do unto you?

Don't they believe that the meek shall inherit the Earth?

Don't they believe that they should remove the fault that is in their own eye before they condemn the lesser faults of others?

Don't they know that God is Love and Peace?

No, I guess you are right. They are NARROW MINDED, GREEDY AND IGNORANT BIGOTS! Christ said that they shall have their reward.

[Festivito]

45. Stems from Sodom and Gammorah's HOSPITALITY.

Is it about hospitality, or
Is it about sex?

Many deny it being about hospitality and say it must be about sex.

So, the gays and lesbians must be wrong, lest we be required to be hospitable to each other. Some Christian accept the homosexuals and hospitality, while other Christians can deny both.

It's a rift in Christianity.

[Mythsaje]

81. Among many "primitive" cultures

hospitality was considered almost sacred...and that even includes medieval Christian cultures. One simply didn't treat a guest badly, or abuse/betray a host.

There are countless legends of Norse Gods, Angels, and a host of deific characters asking for refuge and visiting terrible punishment on anyone who denied it.

[Glenda]

39. Wow! Thanks for the insight!

That makes total sense!

[emdee]

41. What happened was exactly what they scream that they want...

They scream day in and day out that family and friends should help loved ones rather than the system. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED HERE and look what they did.

I think that they are afraid that someone of FR might be in need and they might be asked to help - they wanted to squash such an effort by others quickly so that they, one day, wouldn't be expected to help out a friend.

Such hypocrisy.

emdee

[NoSheep]

43. Excellent post!

I couldn't have said it better myself.:applause:

[KelleyKramer]

48. The Social Security debate was very revealing..

It finally came down to their mantra of literally 'Its MY money!'

The Freeper calls on Air America radio were incredible.

I think you may have hit on something here.. its the greed and selfishness, then throw in a big dose of hate and bigotry.. and the GOP leadership use this like a fiddle to manipulate their base.

[Cleita]

51. I never really boiled down all my thoughts about the "others"

into one phrase, "A complete and total lack of empathy", but you nailed it hard and true.

:thumbsup:

[donheld]

52. Great insight

I believe you are exactly right. It's really amazing how people get like that.

[Catherine Vincent]

53. Very good analysis.

A lot of republicans are that way but I don't agree that all of them are.

[FreedomAngel82]

54. Of course

I have often wondered and it has boogled my mind how one can say they are Christian but be against social programs. Society is about everybody participating and helping people get ahead. The first century church gave so much and they themselves barely had anything but giving was encouraged. Yet they *claim* to be "compassionate conservative". WTF? Look at how they treat other people! ANYBODY who is against their views they proclaim to be "persecuted". They want persecution? Read in the New Testament about persecution! Cutting off heads, stoning, being put in jail! Nobody is going around in church's and taking people and doing those things. As someone who is also a Christian I get so disgusted!

[Auntie Bush]

55. Excellent, thoughtful, intuitive post describing Republicans.

[Pallas180]

56. "they fundamentally hate those who are empathetic to others. "

They consider it a sign of weakness.

They believe they are superior genetically - descendants of inbreeding of the Mayflower descendants - so they have the right to
rule over all the common flotsam and jetsum.

Read some of David Rockefeller's statements, the trilateral commission of which Bush, Kissinger and others are members...read about some of the Carnegie Mellon experiments with institutionaliizing, or worse, women who had too many children, and people who were poor, or "slow" in their opinion.

Finally, let me tell you, and I'm not kidding - it is written in the history that Hitler did not get his idea of the "final solution" from
Germany - he got it from America and what the Rockefeller, Carnegie, and Mellon institutions were doing which he read about while he was in jail in the 20's or 30's.

Find Minstrel Boys or Octafish's posts on DU and read all about it.
these are your leaders and what's in congress now.

[FlemingsGhost]

58. What a sad, dehumanizing screed.

We expose "faults" in others, simply because we see it in ourselves.

How else would we know to recognize it?

Good luck, Emerson.

[EFerrari]

59. There's nothing dehumanizing in that post.

It may overgeneralize but it doesn't dehumanize. It describes very accurately a culture based on coercive power, exclusion and greed. One that could be called sociopathic in it's lack of empathy.

To say that that's dehumanizing gives to much credit to human beings unfortunately.

And it takes a vast amount of empathy to see something so toxic so clearly and be able to face it and call it by it's name.

[nashville_brook]

63. i love what you say,

"it takes a vast amount of empathy to see something so toxic so clearly and be able to face it and call it by it's name."

i think that hits the nail on the head.

[Lorien]

76. Amen. n/t

[Joe Chi Minh]

69. Your lack of understanding of the most elementary Christian theology

seems to have led you into the most shocking blasphemy.

Emerson's insights into the far right mindset, or rather soulset, echo Jesus Christ's own insights, as expressed in his long, incandescent and fiercely bitter diatribes against the arch- worldlings who were their counterparts in the Israel of his day; and who went so far as to accuse him of being possessed, because of them.

Indeed, I seem to remember his "dehumanizing" them to the extent of comparing them unfavourably to the dumb beasts, the street dogs, the lowest creatures that drew breath in their society, in his parable of Lazarus and the rich man.

Good luck. You could just need it, when it will be all too late.

[nashville_brook]

64. welcome Emerson, and thank you for this.

empathy = weakness

so true. so sad.

[SmokingJacket]

65. One of their strongest insults is "bleeding-heart liberal"

I remember hearing that when I was a kid and thinking...Um, so what's wrong with having a bleeding heart? It means you care about others, right?

They clearly think that liberals are actually just as selfish as they are, but that liberals *pretend* to be all generous and empathetic. They don't really believe that a significant portion of the population is NOT just looking out for number one. They can't even imagine that some people enjoy -- yes, enjoy -- doing good things for other people.

It must suck to have such a small, shrivelled heart.

[Historic NY]

82. I always took that it as a compliment.......

I guess because when I was growing up my family always helped out others or the community. I went into public service in L.E. and over 30 years I can say I never was stiffed by anyone that truely need help. Most appreciated it and somewhere down the line returned a favor or a few loaned bucks or cigarettes. Guys I worked with would tell me I was a bleeding heart, but were stunned when a letter would arrive with returned loan or a carton of smokes would showup. I always said what goes around comes around and after all helping people was part of the job.

[johnaries]

66. Excellent post, but you left out one thing.

You would have to search deep in the archives for Andy's old posts, but he was very effective in finding evidence of Election Fraud.

If Andy had been able to complete his work, we would know more about the Truth of the 2004 Election.

RW'ers don't want to know the truth, they only want their guy in office - no matter what.

In that respect, Andy was their sworn enemy.

[ginnyinWI]

67. excellent, but I'll add one thing more

They believe women were created for the pleasure of and service to men. A woman can do other things, but if she isn't either some man's wife or mother, she isn't worth very much. Rather, she becomes a threat.

[Bluerthanblue]

70. Great Post BUT.... the party poop er

in me says....

there IS no 'they' only 'us'-

and while many of 'us' are choosing to band together into a group who feels afraid, and mis-trustful, and the need to dominate others so that 'we' can feel 'important' or 'valuable' or 'special' at any one, or any-things expence-

the empathy, and compassion which is my blessing/curse says, can you imagine how AFRAID, SAD and TERRIBLE you must really feel deep down inside- how wounded and closed-off and hardened, by life, that you could live, and wake each morning facing yourself in the mirror knowing you have murdered thousands upon thousands of people - that your life is a 'lie' be driven to accumulate more and more 'things' 'money' 'power' to use to try and fill the emptiness that is inside you????

i can't (deep down, in the end) want anything but healing for my fellow humans, who are so tormented that living at the gross expense of others means little or nothing- how awfully sad- someday, it will come clear, and the regret, sorrow, and awfulness of the things done will overwhelm them.... and i wish it were within my power to keep them from having to face that- the only way, is to 'BE the CHANGE'
as has been said here so often- we must ALL "BE THE CHANGE".

[neonplaque]

72. no empathy or remorse = borderline pschopaths n/t

[Miss Chybil]

77. So, is this the culture of life thing, or what?

I mean they were very ready to help a brain dead woman stay alive. I'm wondering, were they praying outside of Andy's window? Where was Congress and Jesus Christ on a trailer hitch? This stuff gets so confusing to me. Do they want people to live, or not?

[Maven]

78. "their fellow right wingers would tell them too bad"

Exactly.

The can't possibly fathom the CONCEPT of people giving to help someone they don't know because if any one of them were in trouble all of their "friends" would shuffle their feet and back away.

I would say these people deserve pity more than contempt if they weren't so goddamned dangerous.

[Mythsaje]

79. Excellent

To boil it down to the most basic premise...

A conservative looks at something and asks "what about me?"

A liberal looks at something and asks "what about THEM?"

[Borgnine]

80. You hit the fucking nail with the hammer here.

The right-wing ideology allows the worst to come out in man, and twists and spins it to make the disgusting feelings politically acceptable.

[K8-EEE]

83. I Would HATE To Be One Of Them -- They All Seem Miserable.

Sample comments from the "compassionate conservatives:"

The bad thing about the Andy situation is that now the DUmmys know how to raise money quickly. If Andy was scamming people (and I think he was) then it would have been MUCH EASIER to nip future Liberal fund-raiseing efforts in the bud.

78 posted on 07/09/2005 6:17:52 PM PDT by DeepRed

Some here on FR "mourn or wish Godspeed" to this guy.....
others reserve sympathy for people that matter.

Either way to Andy whoeverhewas ..... bye!
79 posted on 07/09/2005 8:11:46 PM PDT by jaguaretype

To: Lx
Even if he did have cancer this badly, why would he feel that others should be obligated to donate to his care? Surely there are thousands with the same condition.

Furthermore, it would likely not have been money well-spent if he were this sick.


SICK SICK PITIFUL MISERABLE PEOPLE!!!!