Cut the Bullshit, Middle America

[alcibiades_mystery]

This from Fox News:

This time, which is the message of the day, it will not only be big cities. They’re going to try to hit rural America. They want to send a message to rural America: ‘You’re not protected. If you figured out that if you just move out of New York and move to Montana or to Pittsburgh, you’re not immune. We’re going get you wherever we can and it’s easier there than in New York.

Here's a clue: If you don't live in and don't regularly visit New York, Boston, DC, Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles, you are no more in danger of terror attack than if you lived in Guam. The terrorists don't even know the name of your town, any more than you knew the name Fallujah before April 2003. Get over it. The terrorists don't give a fuck about blowing you up, and are not concerned about you. End of story.

[Junkdrawer]

1. And if Middle America were hit, would that give you rise...

to suspect that maybe the attack wasn't a simple terrorist attack? :shrug:

[Gay Green]

38. A dam on the upper Missouri in the midst of middle America

were to attacked and if the dam let go because of it, the freed-up water would take out every downstream dam and flood out Omaha, Kansas City, St. Louis, Memphis, Baton Rouge and New Orleans

[pstans]

2. When did Pittsburgh become part of rural America?

The economy must really be tanking. It started under Reagen when the steel industry began the decline. The Clinton years showed promise, but once Bu$h came into office, Pittsburgh practically dried up.

[alcibiades_mystery]

6. Indeed

But still, nobody's hitting Pittsburgh either way. It is funny to think of Pittsburgh as rural, though. The propaganda is so blatant even a child could see it. Be afraid, Pittsburgh! Be very afraid! Vote Santorum if you want to LIVE!!!!

These people are demented.

[doublethink]

19. Come with me if you want to live......

[globalvillage]

27. Hang on...

I think I spotted a cow just off the Parkway West.

[Tommymac]

55. Ah, now it makes sense...

* Heir apparent Santorum. No wonder they want to scare Pittsburgh.

[jedr]

23. tis true;

My job takes me all over Pittsburgh and surrounding counties....am watching things turn into poverty and very rich right before my eyes.

[Tommymac]

54. Yep. It sucks here now.

Western PA was one of the only areas to lose population according to the last census.

And Pittsburgh is second behind Miami/Dade county for oldest per capita population, I believe. The youth have to leave because there is not much work.

It is still a really nice place....if only there were jobs.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

3. No, FOX wants to "send that message" to rural, and the rest of, America.

So you can all be appropriately fearful!

[Lydia Leftcoast]

4. Yeah, it's crazy when some of the least likely spots for a terrorist

attack are the most worried and therefore support Bush.

Before the November election, a soccer mom in a second-ring suburb of Minneapolis was quoted as saying that she was going to vote for Bush because the school hostage situation in Chechnya had made her worry about terrorism. As if the strip mall suburbs of Minneapolis were a prime terrorist target. :crazy:

[achtung_circus]

5. UMMMmmmm

"just move out of New York and move to Montana or to Pittsburgh"

I may not have visited every state in the US but I didn't think Pittsburg was rural.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

7. I've been there. Not rural. I guess they don't even have any semblance

of editors for their drivel copy.

[alcibiades_mystery]

9. Pittsburgh is a vibrant city with a great night life, in fact

Really top-notch restaurants, too. They say Pittsburgh because they view it as a "tough guy" city and want to attach that to their demented program. Pittsburgh is actually one of the blue-est cities in the country, and will stay that way.

[iconoclastic cat]

53. Which is why it may be a prime terra target, if you know what I mean...

[jedr]

26. you only need to drive 20 miles out of Pittsburgh;

to be in some of best farm country in Pa.....but this is being done on many levels, vote for ricky, be afraid, justify Montana getting more money per capita than New york city..etc but back to Pittsburgh , a lot of "red" out here with young turks (30-40's males) they eat it up like sheep

[TheFarseer]

8. Yes, totally agree

and to anyone who thinks they might hit Omaha because of Offutt AFB or some other Middle America town because of your AFB, you're fu**ing stupid. They are just going to try and kill as many people as they can and blow up the biggest landmark they can which means the big city. They just want attention like that. I can't believe that dipsticks in Nebraska or Wyoming or whatever think they know more about this or have a bigger stake in this or whatever than someone in NYC that works a couple blocks from the WTC. Just like everything else these last 5 years, this is straight out of bizzaro world or backwards land or whatever the fu*k.

[alcibiades_mystery]

12. Those are the funniest motherfuckers

"We have to worry because we have an Air Force Base in my town."

Hey dipshit: the terrorists never heard of your town. They don't even know it exists, much less what specific features it has. Take a fucking humility pill, hayseed.

[mongo]

16. Perhaps a dose of your own medicine

would do you a world of good.

[alcibiades_mystery]

17. Speaking the obvious case does not lack humility

Pretending that Boise, Idaho is a terrorist target can only be born of pride. Take the medicine, power plant boy.

[mcctatas]

32. I live in a small city (65,000) in central WI.

and I can't help but chuckle every time I have to visit the city web site (for the important stuff like brush pick up day or what to do with my used sharps containers) and I see the link for our city's Homeland Security operation. I mean what is it, two drunken rednecks named Earl with their antique 30-30's?:evilgrin:

[MuseRider]

10. Ummm I don't think

that this story came from middle America. What bullshit? Looks like Fox News to me.

[alcibiades_mystery]

14. Fair enough

But there are plenty who will nod they heads to this. Yeah, plenty of assholes in New york, Boston, etc., as well, true enough. Just sayin'.

[MuseRider]

25. A story from the midwest.

It is ridiculous, it seriously is. My point was just that the story was not from here.

After the London bombs this small midwest town where I live went totally nuts. Every bus was checked at every stop, every business was checking the trash cans. Every news time devoted a slot to interviews of terrified people. It was the damnedest, stupidest thing I had ever seen. Now out here we get pounded constantly with fear. Your crops will get dusted with something horrible, they will come and anthrax your livestock. The university is doing studies with articles in the paper all the time about what the "terrorists" might so to us. Top that off with a heaping helping of Sam Brownback and Pat Roberts and you got the reason why rural areas here are always frightened. Add to that a generation of farmers who have spent their hours in their tractors listening to Rush and Hannity because that is all they had to listen to and you have the reason that everyone out here seems unreasonable.

[Bill McBlueState]

11. Do these look the same? No.

Pittsburgh:



Rural:

[mongo]

13. Sorry but there are plenty of targets out here in flyover country

Remember the accident in Bhopal, India? That same chemical is made right here in the USA. Near a small city in a valley where an explosion would exterminate at least 10-20K people.

There are industrial sites all over this country where a well planned attack could do the damage of several 9/11's.

Cut your big city elitist bullshit too.

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[mongo]

20. I never said where I lived was a target

The point is there are targets outside of the coasts - where someone could do great damage and cause great loss of life with very little resources - and nothing to protect them except a few rent-a-cops.

And these places are not that hard to find. All the freakin' cops on TV on the NY subway system, where a bomb might kill a few dozen people.

That same bomb could kill thousands if not 10's or 100's of thousands if placed in the right industrial facility.

[alcibiades_mystery]

28. My claim is not that these places couldn't be possible targets

Anyplace could be a target, obviously enough. My point is that they are not realistic targets, given the terrorists knowledge and propensities. That also seems obvious enough.

[Swede]

18. Any soft target will do if terror is your aim.

Doesn't matter where it is.

[alcibiades_mystery]

29. Sure

If you ignore history, capabilities, and probability, the terrosists could be ready to strike Butte Montana. But we all know that's not gonna happen, so let's leave the land of vague possibilities and return to reality.

[chalky]

21. Oh, yeah. The attack on that underpopulated, sleepy little burg

of London is proof of this claim.
:eyes:

[alcibiades_mystery]

31. The Fox claim is obviously stupid

I think my claim is sound.

[chalky]

36. Sorry--should have been more clear.

My comment was directed at that Faux "fear!fear!fear!" crap.
I agree with you, with a tiny exception.
Sites such as Hoover Dam would also be at risk. And I back this up with the story of my brother and his wife seeing unusual activity while touring Hoover Dam. So suspicious that my SIL actually contacted the FBI when she returned home. And believe me, this is not a woman who would normally do such a thing. Also, their visit was about four weeks before Sept. 11, 2001, so it's not like they had a precedent to set off their internal alarms.

[LiberalAndProud]

22. I thought we were fighting them there

so we wouldn't have to fight them here.

Perhaps I misunderstood. Cuz I know I misunderstood when I thought Sadam blew up the WTC. And then I misunderstood again when I thought Sadam had a nukular bomb pointed right at my house and the mushroom cloud was just a heartbeat away.

So I could have misunderstood when I thought they said they were going to keep all the terrorists in Iraq so they wouldn't come here.

Yeah, just one HUGE misunderstanding.

[DefenseLawyer]

24. Good grief

Is this all there is to argue about? We are big city dwellers that are worthy of an terrorist attack and you're not? or We are midwesterners who have lots of stuff to blow up too! or "Hey damn it, Pittsburgh is very cosmopolitan!" The fact is not one of you know what terrorists are thinking, or are concerned about or "give a fuck about" or what they are planning or what might be there next target- if you do your ass better call somebody.

[alcibiades_mystery]

30. Love the complex

Who said anything about "We are big city dwellers who are worthy etc." Shit, I live in Central Pennsylvania. Ain't no terrorist coming out here. Please.

[DefenseLawyer]

34. I don't know about a complex, but I know about a waste of time

and that's what this thread is.

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[jedr]

37. don't count on it!

Penn state could be full of cells and there is a nuclear reactor on campus....be afraid dude....very afraid.

[alcibiades_mystery]

39. Aaaaaaaah!

Better watch myself on the CATA bus! Aaaaaaaah!

Terrorist 1: Our next target should be State College, Pennsylvania.
Terrorist 2: What was that third word?
Terrorist 1: Pennsylvania. It's a state.
Terrorist 1: And they have a college?
Terrorist 1: Yes.

AAAAAAAAAH! ;-)

[jedr]

45. Born and raised in that town;

my point is; those crackers in Bellefonte and Spring Mills will eat this up with a spoon...but don't get me wrong, I agree with you.

[alcibiades_mystery]

46. Not to mention Boalsburg

What terrorist wouldn't want to strike at the heart of America by attacking one of the 39 towns that claim to have invented Memorial Day! Run, Boalsburgians. Run!

[jedr]

48. That's my town,

If the evildoers take it out , my dad will be the first to go.

[alcibiades_mystery]

50. Clearly, Duffy's Tavern represents crucial infrastructure

Or one of those weird year-round Christmas stores that sell adorable chachcis. What's more American than a porcelein butter dish shaped like a fucking Santa elf? Did I mention that Boalsburghians should up and goddamn RUN! ;-)

[JVS]

61. Hey! You could very well have been hit by debris from flight 93!

[seabeyond]

33. kinda like our homegrown terrorist mcveigh in oklahoma n/t

[Pharlo]

56. Well, based upon this FOX News report,

the bombing of the Alfred P Murrah Building in Oklahoma was not a terrorist attack.

Or, Oklahoma is not in 'Middle America'.

Or, if the perpetrator is a white "Christian" it isn't terrorism, it's a 'justified statement of an individual's beliefs and Christian values.' (Have you gotten the impression that the bomb wasn't the only thing fueled by fertilizer...)

Or, FOX News is now sharing Rush Limbaugh's 'Fact Checker' in an effort to curtail expenditures.

[CoffeeCat]

35. There is only ONE reason for Fox's comments....

Fox is stirring up the fear pot because they think they are helping Junior.

Poll after poll demonstrates---the ONLY issue with whom more than 50 percent of Americans trust Junior--is TERROR.

Fox is drumming up fear. They're positioning terror to the forefront, because it helps Junior.

For some reason--at least 50 percent of Americans approve of the way Junior handles "terrorism." He's tanked on Social Security. No one likes how he's handling the economy. Forget any environmental or educational issues. And we all know how Iraq is a blatant failure.

Junior has nothing. Nothing but terror.

If we're all scared into needing Junior--Fox thinks it might help Junior.

So--they're reminding EVERYONE (not just the city slickers!!) that you can die at any time because Al Qaida will hunt you down on your farm, or while you're polishing your tractor, or while you're out on the town square chewing on some tobacco! NO ONE IS SAFE...says Fox!

Everyone--be afraid and terrorized...and remember that Junior is your man!

It's pathetic. Really.

[alcibiades_mystery]

41. I agree

And the only way to counter it is to slap people back into reality: They ain't gonna attack Peoria, dammit! SMACK. Get a hold of yourself! SMACK. Terrorists haven't even heard of Plano Texas! SMACK. Cut the bullshit! SMACK.

[bobbieinok]

57. after 9-11, a colleague was telling me about friends in TX sending him

info that 'Muslims living in small TX towns had moved over-night'

he said he got that info from several friends

another colleague was talking about all the Muslim students at state colleges in the midwest and OK who were converting young men adrift in the modern world, and these guys were then going to ME etc to fight

....and I thought, well, OK

then I met a young man in a local bookstore and we discussed the fear factor and DU....and then he said his brother had converted to Islam at OU and had gone to Pakistan....but that thankfully he was home again

....and I think ??????????

[The Jacobin]

42. I live in middle america

Ever since I calmed down about a month after 9/11 I have been telling myself and others that worrying about terrorism is just a waste of time for me. Even if there was a car bomb going off every week in this country I am still much more likely to die in a car accident or a heart attack.

[craychek]

43. Get a clue fox!

If these people would think for TWO SECONDS they would realize that terrorists will usually be spotted in rural towns in about 30 seconds. Has anyone ever lived in a small town, or even a semi-large town? There are very few secrets there and people know when you're not from around there.

Secondly, terrorists generally go for BIG targets, even in iraq. They go for large groups of people, seemingly protected areas, and places that are very public noticable.

Come on fox, get a clue...

[stepnw1f]

44. I Personally Enjoyed The Rant

Meaning, I relate.

[alcibiades_mystery]

47. Glad I could be of help

I got others where that came from. Perhaps next I'll riff on why guacamole shouldn't cost extra when you order a quesadilla. Oooooo, that burns me. :evilgrin:

[ThoughtCriminal]

49. The closer you get to "Ground Zero",

the less support W gets.

[eauclaireliberal]

51. REL "The closer you get to "Ground Zero","

I've noticed that, as I stated before. One thing I can't figure out is why NY'ers put up with the Thugs having their conference in the Big Apple.

Then again, isin't the mayor a freeturd as well?

[spindoctor]

52. I used to feel safe in Omaha until Bush put it on the map on 9/11

:rofl:

Now look where I ended up ;)

[LeftyDarthBrodie]

58. Maybe not Islamic terrorism

but white christian right wing terrorists, Timothy McVeigh and Eric Rudoplh, have struck in rural America. Pigs will fly the day Fox makes an annoucement saying to watch out for white christian right wingers opposed to the guvment who might blow up federal buildings, bomb abortion clinics or the Olympics.

[me b zola]

64. One of the more recent terrorist attack here in the US

MIDDLEBROOK, Va. (AP) - A small fire and anti-gay graffiti were found Saturday at a church belonging to the United Church of Christ, a denomination that endorsed same-sex marriage last week.

~snip~

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1614963#top



Thankfully it doesn't appear that anyone was injured in this attack.

[LeftyDarthBrodie]

66. I read about this

and am not trying to diminish the severity of this terrible attack but would this be classified more as a hate crime than a terrorist attack? I know if the church had been bombed, as the KKK did to black churches or something similar, it would no doubt be a terrorist attack but where is the line drawn between the two.

Again, I don't mean to downplay this horrible act but I think this falls more in line with a hate crime.

[Pharlo]

59. Large cities in 'Middle America'

are as vulnerable as any other city.

Truly rural areas are outside the aspirations of these individuals.

No public transportation.
No large sports facilities.

The nearest 'town' to where I live consists of a fourway stop sign, the town hall, and three houses. If everyone were home, a town meeting were in progress and there was a vehicle with fewer than eight people in it, AND the terrorists had a large enough bomb (suicide bomber with a van full of explosives) they still wouldn't match the body count from the London atrocity.

Jeez, one corn silo explosion can wield a greater explosive force than the terrorists' backpacks.

The body count just isn't there to give them their ROI.

When making broadbased statements like this, FOX needs to define 'Middle America' and 'Rural America' (personally, I take it they're using these terms as a synonym for 'Not New York', 'Not Washington D.C.', and 'Not LA').

[Jakey]

60. If you consider their motivation...

LA and Vegas would most represent the culture they abhor.

[Goldmund]

62. Exactly

[Tommymac]

63. "FEAR! FIRE! FOES!"

I keep getting the image of Fatty Bolger the fat little hobbit running across the fields of Tookland when I think about this thread....and gradually he morphs into Karl Roverer....

"FEAR! FIRE! FOES!"

:freak:

[enki23]

65. they really want to believe it, don't they

americans want to believe they're in imminent danger. it's "exciting" to these fucking idiots. it makes them feel important, and they don't want it to stop. they're packing in jaw-aching mouthfuls of bullshit these days, doing their god damnedest to maintain their armageddon fantasy buzz.

[BiggJawn]

67. It's easier HERE than in New York?

Oh, sure, they slam an airplane into something HERE, they'll kill more people on the plane than they will on the ground...

Anyone still have a doubt that FAUX Nooz does Rip and Read off the dedicated fax line from Rove's office?

People in big cities are safe too, as long as they don't give in to everything the BFEE wants to put in.
It's not Al-Ka-Seltzah we have to worry about, it is the internal meltdown they tried to initiate with their catalytic attack that we have to fear.

[leesa]

68. Interesting that Faux say "We're going to get you..." Exactly, it's the

Neocons you need to worry about, not Muslim terrorists.