TheFarseer
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Sat Jul-09-05 11:06 PM
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Bill Clinton is brilliant (and on C-Span now) |
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His basic point is that we are winning polls left and right about Greenhouse gas reduction, energy conservation, rebuilding infrastructure and a whole myriad of issues like this, but that these are not voting issues. No one votes on these issues. We need to tie every issue we have to security and economy. Security and economy win elections. I know this sounds simplistic but when is the last time you heard someone say, "we need to conserve gas so we will have it for our military"? Or like Clinton said, we could create a whole new sector of the economy to research and implement new ideas and technologies that will make our transportation system and economy more efficient - saving us billions of dollars and creating good jobs. Listen to the Big Dog! He knows how to win!
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Sat Jul-09-05 11:08 PM
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1. he has literally Twice the IQ of Stupid |
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Sat Jul-09-05 11:10 PM
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2. Exactly , I heard he spent the weekend in Crawford. |
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Sat Jul-09-05 11:19 PM
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6. I think he was discussing the no timetable for Iraq strategy |
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Yes he is a brilliant speaker, voted twice for him, worked locally for him. But sorry, "A dog is not considered a good dog because he is a good barker. A man is not considered a good man because he is a good talker." Buddha http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4057312&mesg_id=4057312link to Clinton's statement last night.
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Sat Jul-09-05 11:11 PM
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3. I listened to that broadcast. He did very well as did Ted Turner. |
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And you're absolutely right. BC has more to say in one sentence than Shrub says in and entire Press Conference!
BC did make a lot of sense tonight. I hope someone who can actually do something was listening too!
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Sat Jul-09-05 11:11 PM
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4. Link to live web broadcast |
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Sat Jul-09-05 11:12 PM
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5. And don't forget, Stay the Course in Iraq!! n/t |
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Sat Jul-09-05 11:53 PM
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Bill sez so - so it must be!
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Sat Jul-09-05 11:23 PM
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7. A president that can think and speak intelligently! |
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Damn I miss Bill Clinton.
For years watching Bush screw up at these scripted PR shows and then to see someone who is intelligent, cognitive and articulate. Hell he can beat Bush just by knowing his ass from a hole in the ground...
Its just incredible how far down the bar has been lowered.
We literally went from a Rhoades Scholar to the drunk asshole at the back yard BBQ running the show in the US.
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Sat Jul-09-05 11:25 PM
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8. He's running for Hillary |
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Sat Jul-09-05 11:34 PM
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9. Illustrates part of our problem... |
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The other day I was reading a magazine that had a short piece on a recent study that theorizes the brains of liberals and conservatives might be genetically different and that these two thought processes are becoming more and more polarized, rather than coming closer together.
The reason I mention this is that I think if we examine how liberals and conservatives think and communitcating (as George Lakoff has been studying for such a long time) we can start emerge from our election losses.
We have to find a key to unlock the mystery of people that continually vote against their interests. And Bill Clinton illustrates part of our dilemma - I can sit and listen to him speak for hours and miss having an in intelligent president. Then on the other hand, the current president somehow can speak to the "common man". He can pee down someone's back, tell them it is raining and many would believe it.
But Clinton had both - intellect and ability to talk to the "common man". Kerry's problem was that he lacked the latter.
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Sun Jul-10-05 12:00 AM
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he dismissed the downing street memos
he did little for renewable energy when he was president.
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Sun Jul-10-05 12:25 AM
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12. Worse, he nixed the 55mph federal speed limit. |
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Car engines peak at gas usage at ~35MPH.
65MPH uses ~15% more fuel than 55%.
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Sun Jul-10-05 12:40 AM
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13. The only thing I want to hear from Clinton ... |
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... is begging for forgiveness. So what if he is brilliant! He screwed up the world with his dumb, selfish Lewinsky play. Clinton is responsible for Bush in my book. I respect him, I admire his intellect, but I still blame him for all of this shit we are going through. He should have resigned and begged forgiveness once he beat impeachment.
Clinton's peccadillo put Bush in the White House, and Clinton's lie, refuted by DNA evidence on the world stage, created the low honesty expectations that allow Bush to thrive.
I don't hate Clinton, so no flames. I feel betrayed and feel he owes all Democrats a more abject apology than I think we ever received.
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Sun Jul-10-05 05:46 AM
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if it hadn't been Monica the right would have found another way to destroy Clinton. Unfortunately, Clinton was playing the game instead of fighting to change the game.
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Sun Jul-10-05 08:10 AM
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17. no more our business than it was the gops' business. |
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Why is it any of anyone's business? I give a shit who anyone sleeps with except for me.
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Sun Jul-10-05 01:09 AM
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and it made me yearn for the Clinton years. Excellent advice from a brillant man...and he is indeed brillant.
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Sun Jul-10-05 05:37 AM
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15. I miss him, his intelligence, and his presidency. |
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Sun Jul-10-05 08:37 AM
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18. He's a "brilliant" politician in the worst sense of the word. |
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In the DLC playbook it's all about advertising. Truth and ethics be damned. Clinton won in '92 because of Perot. In '96 because the economy was booming and the Republicans ran a corpse.
But, he and his DLC salesmen have spun those 2 lucky events into some sort of reason to turn the Democratic Party into the party of compromise and accomodation with the right.
I held my nose and voted for the "Big Puppydog" both times. The 2 votes I most regret.
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Sun Jul-10-05 11:12 AM
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20. You regret voting for Clinton? |
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Why? Who would have been better? I regret not being old enough to vote for Perot, myself.
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Sun Jul-10-05 08:57 AM
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19. He's just about the only American president I can think of |
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Edited on Sun Jul-10-05 08:58 AM by baby_mouse
in recent decades that appears to have survived with something like his original popularity and reputation largely still intact.
There's this big Sacrifical King thing going on with American politics...
Go Bill!
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