Is this why there was a concerted effort to slander Andy?

[merh]

Could this be the simple truth? Did our grassroots efforts scare them?

Okay, I am realtively new, but I've been reading the HUNDREDS of posts about the Andy situation.

In my opinion, I think the people handled it very well. Even if Andy was sick, it's impoirtant to stop scams before they happen when Liberals try to raise money.

The bad thing about the Andy situation is that now the DUmmys know how to raise money quickly. If Andy was scamming people (and I think he was) then it would have been MUCH EASIER to nip future Liberal fund-raiseing efforts in the bud.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1439010/posts?q=1&&page=51

:cry:

[Bluebear]

1. It IS realtively easy to do fund-raiseing!

:crazy:

Why can't those people spell?

[merh]

2. Hey Bluebear

Yes, you would think they could spell. :hi:

[Bluebear]

3. How's it going down there darlin?

[merh]

4. Waiting for sunrise so I can finish battening down the hatches.

Then I am headed inland. Weather is okay right now, I'll go watch the sunrise in a few.

But heavens knows, I won't take any chances with that bad thing out there. He could be a cat 5 when he hits. :scared:

I dated a Dennis, it was a stormy relationship that ended badly. I won't fool with another Dennis. Nope, not taking any chances.

Thanks for asking! :hug:

I'll be back before you know it! :hi:

[RebelOne]

6. I dated a Dennis when I lived down in Florida.

Maybe we dated the same guy. It was also a stormy relationship that ended very badly. Yep, I avoid anyone named Dennis now.

[merh]

12. LOL - yeah, I see a Dennis coming and I head for the woods.

Which is where I will be heading in a few hours. :rofl:

[bunny planet]

48. LOL, I had a Dennis the Menace in my life too. The minute I heard the

name of this storm, I knew it would be a bad one. My prayers to everyone in the storms way. My family and I just missed the wrath of Charlie by a nose last year in the Tampa Bay area.

[BronxBoy]

115. Aww come on.....

Spelling is not that impoirtant..

:rofl:

[tsuki]

5. I have read this four times. It makes absolute no sense. n/t

[merh]

8. They wanted to prove the alleged scam to make us doubt each other.

They also wanted to prove it so that Skinner would not allow fund raisers on DU again.

Additionally, if they could prove the fraud as they alleged, other progressive sites would doubt DU and/or DUers' requests to assist in the fund raisers. That would have a negitive impact on our efforts. Just look at what we did for one of our own in need in 12 days. Just imagine what we could do for our candidates if we put our mind to it.

Our uniting for this cause, our coming together for one of our own in need, OUR grassroots efforts, scared the hell out of them.

They needed to discredit the fund raiser to kill our energies and to make people doubt each other and doubt DU.

JMHO

[tsuki]

13. That's may be what he meant, but his spelling and thought processes

are a mess.

[merh]

15. Well, I have to agree with you.

But in all honesty, I am a terrible speller and I often forget to use the spell check. I think spelling errors are very human and I don't think that makes anyone a conservative or a liberal. Now I must remember to do a spell check! :hi:

[Pharlo]

29. Now Merh, I ask you,

are spell checks REALLY necessary?

When one of my fellow liberals makes an error, I naturally assume:

1) The cat accidently hit a key right before the poster clicked on 'Post Message'.

2) Mechanical error - poster's keyboard needs to be fixed/replaced.

3) Keys sticking or double hit.

4) Poster was doing an impression of a Neo-Con and forgot to hit the 'Sarcasm' smilie.

Sometimes, it's the interpretation of the reader, not the poster. :)

So, don't sweat the spelling errors.

:hi: :hi:

[merh]

31. LOL - believe me, I have just recently learned not the sweat the

small stuff. If I make a spelling error, well so what I am human. I make mistakes. I've never met a perfect human and I pray to god that I never do.

No my friend, there are bigger things in this world to worry about.

Welcome & thanks for the chuckle! :hi:

[emcguffie]

58. Where IS the spell check?

However, spell checks can cause some pretty significant boo-boos, as well. You still have to proof read. Proofread? One word, or two?

[merh]

67. LOL

The spell checker is at the bottom of the box where you type your post or reply. I'm never sure about words, I just do the best I can and hope my message is understod.

:hi:

[mogster]

39. It is because this is another 'version' of franksolich

You know - the one that never read a book? I feel so sorry about people that grew up illiterate, and made so little of themselves.

Ah, well.

[Chico Man]

44. I agree 110%

After reading through the posts on that other site, this was the goal. Disrupt progressive fundraising and divide the progressive online community.

[Garbo 2004]

7. Uh, like no one's ever done fund raising via the internet & media before.

A real secret was revealed. D'oh.

Yeah, some scam...the surgery was done and the patient died.

I feel a "Will Pitt" moment coming on.

[merh]

10. Is that in response to the quoted language or to my post?

We raised $50 in 12 days. That other place is still trying to meet its goal of $66 for its beloved world's operations and I believe they have been going 2 weeks now and they adore their realm and have more people (or so they say).

It was a remarkable thing that was done. We scared them.

[Garbo 2004]

18. To the quoted language of course, merh. No question.

I donated for Andy's surgery and am much aware of your concern and efforts for him through your posts here. :hug: What was done here was amazing. Just upset that that it in itself wasn't enough to save him. It was more than just money that was given for and to Andy, which some folks such as the poster you quoted just don't get.

And then to read crap like that quote, well...

[merh]

21. Oh, I was just checking, I didn't know if I had poorly posted this.

It happens.

And you are so right, we did what we did out of love for our fellow human being, the evil ones don't see things in those terms. It's about the money, the human concern be damned as evidenced by their attempts to smear Andy.

We scared the heck out of them!

And on behalf of Andy, thanks for caring enough to give. :hug:
We gave it our best, just as Andy fought the good fight. :cry:

[Maru Kitteh]

9. This person cannot pretend any other motive than hate

I hope at least some (over there) step up to shame this bag of excrement.

[merh]

14. It was hate, fueled by their fear.

They realize that we have a very strong grassroots effort. We scare the heck out of them. They hate us for our love and our determination. We are making differences and they don't like it.

[ET Awful]

11. When liberals try to raise money? Yeah, we wouldn't want anyone

to work with Abramoff to rip off Native Americans eh? Can't have energy companies paying $25,000 for meetings with senators . . . oh wait. . . those weren't liberals now were they?

Fuckin' scumbags.

[LaurenG]

16. I find it repulisive

That these immature freepers are this mean. The majority act inhuman and so much like our evil pres-bot. I wonder what gene they're missing? Or is it just their souls?

[HysteryDiagnosis]

17. Yes.... it's a terrible thing to daily see the underside of your party

exposed.... over and over and over. If you don't like it... don't read it. If you want to read lies and create your own twisted reality, one that comforts your fears...... stay in freeperville.

[merh]

19. I hope you understand.

The post is an explanation as to why they attacked Andy and the fund raising. It was not just Andy the activist, it was the efforts of DU and others to raise money in a limited amount of time for Andy.



:donut:

[HysteryDiagnosis]

23. Oh... maybe they figure that ussins don't have money to share....

well.. we work for it, and we spend it how we choose... I hope that aggravates them a tad. I didn't get mine from a rich uncle or daddy's stock account.

[merh]

24. LOL

Me either. Have a great Sunday. :hi:

[WLKjr]

20. These same people who write that stuff at FR

also send money to Benny Hinn........Pat Robertson.......Jerry Falwell.......so that they can do the work of god by flying in the multi-million dollar Learjets and $1000 dollar suits.


We all pulled together to help someone in need, then they died, and now we are pissed becuase of kinks that the little rat bastards at FR and elsewhere put into his demise. Yes, Freepers killed a man, and I hope they rot in hell for what they did.

[Oversea Visitor]

22. Oh merh

:rofl:

They do politicalise everything dont they.

But now they need to live with themselves.
Would the weeks delay make a different they have to ask themselves.

[merh]

32. I pray every day that I kind find it in my heart to forgive them for

all of the evil and hurt. I hope to live to be 90, then I might have reached a point in my life when I can forgive.

Yes, the politicize everything. They hate us for our love and our ability to give. They envy us our humanity.

Good to see you Oversea Visitor! :hi:

[Oversea Visitor]

37. Why are you still there

you suppose to run from Dennis hey.

[merh]

41. I'm leaving, it still is out in the gulf, 200 miles out. I have time yet.

I'm just finishing up.

I promise, I'm out of here! :hi:

thank you :hug:

[meti57b]

25. Yes, I do think that was the reason. They also hated that we cared so much

about a dear friend.

[xxqqqzme]

26. there is not ONE

gutter scum, asswipe lowlife in ALL of fr**perland that has, or will, contribute one positive action in support of our country. They are not fit to even speak Andy's name.


if we R such DUmmies then how is it we raised all that money so quickly? It Seems we R more DUtiful to those trying right wrongs and fix that which has been deliberately broken.

frothing freaks

[whatever4]

27. It would only stand to reason

Their task is simple; ruin the flow of information. It's not so tough to throw a few hundred people on the internet, give them some direction and simple instructions. It's probably one of their most cost effective projects. Isn't what you would do, in their place? Too easy.

It doesn't even take special technology or training, just enough people with the right mindset.

Many of these crazy neocons WANT to see the end of the world. They want to help it along. So to those folks, even if you are loyal Americans that want peace, they don't care. They don't want peace. They are following a religious leader. They think we're "evil". And they are ready, willing, and able to "help their country" become the Christian nation it was "meant" to be.

Trashing Andy, targetting the weak, is typical of what they do. All is fair in love and war, and to them, this is BOTH. There would be no shame in doing what they did; they see it as a necessary evil, to hurt people. This is war to them. To them, he is to blame, because he stood in their way.

[merh]

34. Welcome to DU.

:hi:

I believe you hit the nail on the head.

[MissWaverly]

43. I think it is more than that

I think our biggest threat to them is that what we were doing was a "Christian" thing to do, to help someone in need without getting compensated isn't that what the Good Samaritan was all about. This was the real threat to them because they have redefined Christianity to support things that are not Christian. The last thing they want is a "wake up" call to the religious right that they are to start trying to
be like Christ and feed the hungry, help the poor. Their Christianity
is to just send all your money to person X who will make your religious
goals a reality. What are these goals, a takeover of the Congress???,
the Supreme Court????? What does this have with the teachings of Jesus, who was always out helping the needy. By acting in a Christian like way, we are a threat to them. The last thing they want is for their
followers to start acting like Christians again.

[flyarm]

57. yes you nailed it ms waverly..

christians are now defined by "their" terms..and that equals greed, and no help towards the needy..or the infirmed ..lower education standards for the poor, starvation for those not "equal " to them..

it boils down to their idea of christianity is greed..and god forbid the middle class christians figure that out!

no they can not let their base of middle class christians figure out their agenda..
but they use the people of good faith by knowing how to tap into their ignorance of that agenda..

and that is to repeat lies often enough so it becomes a frame of mind...
the pac mentality...

and it can happen even to highly educated people its like subliminal propaganda and brainwashing...

hitler used this tactic well.

[MissWaverly]

60. Thanks, Fly

Let's hope Andy's death teaches them a little about humanity and that
life is not just about dumping on others

[EFerrari]

45. Targetting the strength of someone who is vulnerable

and through them, the entire community.

This has never really be just about Andy to them.

Andy's strength was his ability to motivate us, to bring out the most effective features of DU.

Their natural target.

And it works on many levels. Andy, ill, unable to strike back on his behalf. Those close to him, while aware of the attack's goal, trying to focus on the emergency at hand. Those less close to Andy, getting misinformation, doubt and pseudo logic tossed at them for weeks. . . .

[Dogmudgeon]

28. I still don't understand what it's all about

First, the business with Bev Harris; then, the allegations of wrongdoing; third, when Will Pitt got burned and came back fighting.

None of it made any sense except in the context of outside people screwing with Andy and his benefactors.

I actually did read thorough some of the "Scamdy" website, and it still didn't make sense. But neither did Steve Kangas' suicide, or the hundreds of coincidental statistical anomalies in the last three elections that would be expected to happen fewer than once in the entire history of the cosmos.

And incidentally, Scamdy.com is one of the most slimy websites I've ever seen. I mean, what the f***? All that effort over one person's ill fortune and some S.O.P. bureaucratic misfeasance?

I guess I'm just a victim of Libbrul brainwashing. But still, I feel something is amiss, and am greatly saddened by the shitstorm that preceeded -- and perhaps accelerated -- Andy's demise.

--p!

[KaryninMiami]

30. It certainly did not help him heal, that's for sure.

And as a result, it could easily have accelerated his demise. I spoke with him almost daily when all of that was going on and I know how much it hurt it caused. It zapped his energy during a time he was extremely vulnerable and needed (as I kept reminding him) to be focusing on his healing. But it was not possible for him (or any of us who knew and loved him) to simply ignore them or tune it out. It was heartbreaking - as was this entire ordeal, frankly.

Would he have left us this soon without all that horrendous upset-- it's difficult to say. But if any of those slimy assholes at any of those sites are reading these posts today, they should be reminded that what was said and the lies that were spread were cruel, inhumane and utterly disgusting. And what's even more outrageous, they are still posting this garbage, even today.

[merh]

33. They hated Andy because we loved him

They feared our efforts to do for Andy because it was the right thing to do. They do hate us for our love and our energy.

And they are evil.

[in_cog_ni_to]

42. That's exactly right. They are devoid in the compassion department. n/t

[myrna minx]

99. In addition, we circled our wagons to try to protect Andy from

the vitriol. They cannot imagine their own coming together to help them. The symbol of Andy is far too much for them to bear because in their c. montgomery burns' hearts, they know if they were in need they would be left in the cold.

[merh]

104. Exactly, they are envious.

:hi:

[KharmaTrain]

35. My $250 Worth

This is my only post on this topic.

First, I gladly donated the above amount to Andy and the only regret was it wasn't enough. If another $200 or $500 or $1,000 would gurantee he'd be working at fair and honest elections, it would be the biggest bargain I could find.

I watched the whole scenario here and was appauled by the attacks both on here and on other boards about the legitimacy. Had it been revelead that my money had gone to a scam. Oh well, you live and learn. You don't spend what you don't have. And I've been scammed far worse...like every quarter when I write my check to the IRS.

The vindictiveness from the Freepers was not a surprise to me. What do you expect from the party of ignorance and arrogance...where the ME comes ahead of U.S. The lengths they went to try to smear this poor man (I knew someone who died from Pancreatic Cancer...it unfortunately unfolded in the same way...and this man was a Fundie Repugnican) just showed their pettiness and selfish nature.

Now there's the last attempts to put lipstick on the slime they created. Did you expect anything else? These are the most self-centered people and one's I wouldn't trust with anything. Their scorn is always my badge of honor.

While I doubt there are any repentent types in that coven, I am very proud of what I saw happen here. DU brought a lot of people together in a short time...and damn right we're gonna do it again. If the Freepers are scared of the fund-raising potential of DU...GOOD!

Here's wishing Andy peace and his memory to join those of other lost DU'ers in motivating us to work harder to outst this vile regime and restore some honor and dignity to this country.

My hats off to DU!

[all.of.me]

36. what is wrong with raising money quickly?!

good god. i live in a place (taos, nm) where people come together over and over with thousands of dollars when someone is in need. i bet there are more fundraisers here per capita than anyplace on earth!

when homes get wiped out by wildfire, this community pulls together to get the families back on their feet.

when someone is ill with no insurance, we pull together.

when a student wants to travel abroad, we all chip in.

when a school needs extra money (which they all do these days!), we chip in.

humane society, battered women's shelter ($150,000 in one day last year!), children's agencies ($42,000 in one day last month!) - those are just the ones off the top of my head......

if it weren't for the generous people of this community, this would be a very vacant place to live.

what the hell is wrong with raising money in the eyes of those people?! this mentality blows my mind!!!!

[mogster]

38. That is a keen observation, my friend

We will probe deeper into that, won't we? :hug:

[in_cog_ni_to]

40. Good grief. We have been raising millions via the net

since the fraudulent 2000 election. They may not have realized how motivated, devoted and adept we are at it, but we have been doing it for a long, long time. Moveon.org was born to do just that. Most of the 2004 candidates had web sites to raise LOTS of $$$ in a short period of time. Look at what Howard Dean and Wes Clark raised during that time.

There is a reason they are called MORANS. They're S-L-O-W in the brain department. A few bricks short of a load?

[goodboy]

46. I think this is part of it. The other part has to do with Andy's work

and who he was.

They hated him because he was so loved.

[flyarm]

55. i think they hate anything that is good!

i think these people are consumed with hate..its like a obsession with hate..

and i would venture to say..the hate they give out is only a fraction of the hate they have for themselves..because no one in their" right mind " could have this much hate for others..without having serious internal issues and some kind of mental defect!

they need serious mental help! today would not be soon enough..

[SmokingJacket]

47. It always comes back to money with those shits.

Even if they were 90% sure in their deepest, deepest hearts that it was a scam (and there was NO way they were that sure), they were still taking a 10% chance that they were defaming a dying man and hurting his chances for recovery. That's evil, evil, evil.

But anything's justified if it's about money, for some people. Fuckers.

[kittenpants]

49. this from the 'culture of life' crowd!

"Even if Andy was sick, it's impoirtant to stop scams before they happen when Liberals try to raise money. "

They just keep amazing me with how slimy & disgusting they can be. This along with their efforts to say Andy faked his own death now. God, I hope they get sick & see how much support they get from each other.

[Raksha]

119. This is what I don't understand...

"Even if Andy was sick, it's impoirtant to stop scams before they happen when Liberals try to raise money. "

Why is it so damn important for THEM to "stop scams before they happen when Liberals try to raise money"? Why is it any of their damn business? If they were trying to raise money for a sick member of their community I probably wouldn't concern myself with it one way or the other. Even if I thought it was a scam I wouldn't interfere, because it's their community and their business, not mine.

Who the hell elected them to babysit us and "save" us from ourselves? Sheesh, we're all grownups here! What we do with our money is our business.

[tavalon]

50. Oh my God

That is sickening. Bastards.

[bunny planet]

51. They think in a group mentality most of the time, and seem to parrot

reich-wing talking points that are fed to them like pablum. Could it be that higher ups in the fundaholic/neocon wing of the party were encouraging them to do this, just to put a monkeywrench in our grass roots fundraising efforts, or attempt to anyway? It won't be the first time these morans have been used for their fearless leader's nefarious purposes. They are such willing dupes most of the times, no critical thinking, just do what they are told, and think what they are told to think. I wonder.

I mean it speaks of their cruelty and hypocrisy, but the organizational aspect of it has the vibe of a more complex,twisted mind telling them what to do and interfering. I must admit I didn't follow the story closely at the time of how they derailed Andy's funds from getting to him for that two week period. I just donated and started praying for him. How did they get Paypal to listen to them, when we all made a free choice to donate and it was Andy's private account. That shouldn't have been even legally possible, is Paypal liable in this instance? It seems unforgivable and bizarre that they would have held up delivery of the monies that way.

[EFerrari]

52. It seems as though a few of them made small donations that

they could then call Paypal about. One journalist DUer was also able to find out that they called Paypal pretending to be the hospital.

[bunny planet]

53. Just despicable. Truly shameful.

:puke:

You'd think that their supposed 'faith' in a higher power would enable them to contemplate that said higher power is aware of their disgraceful and inhumane activities, and will judge them accordingly. After all, they say they believe in a vengeful G_d.

[flyarm]

56. like a pack of dogs..

alone they are a sweet dog everyone wants to pet..together and out of control..they become dangerous..

these people are filth..and they have pack mentality..cowards on their own..but together they are sicker than sick!

[garybeck]

54. just ignore this crap

[EFerrari]

65. Gary, this is swiftboating up close.

Today, a DUer who helped Andy is getting HATE CALLS. My contact information is posted to one of those sites.

We shouldn't dignify it, for sure.

But we should know exactly what happened, is still happening, to know exactly how far these people will go, to know what we're dealing with.

I just read a post from one of those places asking who was going to be in Seattle next weekend. And from what I've seen over the last 10 weeks, this should be taken seriously.

Andy left instructions that if his known stalkers showed up at his funeral, they should be arrested.

This is not hysteria, or grief or overreacting. This is what a political attack looks like, in your face.

I'm sorry to be the messenger but it would be irresponsible of me not to point that out.

:hug:

[OzarkDem]

83. Hope you reported it to the police

No one should have to put up with their garbage. Time to hold them accountable.

[merh]

71. If we let them get away with this, if we "ignore this crap" then

we are allowing them to continue their attacks and they will find other victims. How would like to have happen to you what happened to Andy in his last days of life? Put yourself in Andy's place, could you let it go?

[salin]

59. Sadly, it was not just freepers

in this disgusting drama. Somehow, some self-proclaimed "progressives" - involved in voting issues, jumped in the pigsty mud and sloshed around.

There was a Duer who reported receiving an email from one who was not a DUer, but who was a progressive and involved in vote-fraud issues. This person's email was announcing to his/her email list that they thought Andy was scamming and were getting together on the net to cause a little havoc - this was just about the time that the ugly new website showed up.

The only solace that I can derive from these folks is the knowledge that were they ever in a similar situation, their "cyber friends" would never step up to the plate with anything but snide accusations and one dollar donations followed up by request for return due to suspected fruad (in order to tie up the whole slew of one or two dollar donations that might have been given.) Reap what one sows, and they sowed a lot of ugly slop. Truley the worst of human nature.

Granted I think those that kept perpetrating the slime were freeper types, I do not doubt that there were some others involved ... and somehow I doubt that even now they see how ghoulish their behavior has been and how much freeperness rubbed off on them onto their soul(s).

[merh]

76. salin -

check your pmail :hi:

[salin]

79. just did,

don't know that my response is helpful - but I hope so.

[merh]

81. thank you!

:hi:

[Name removed]

61. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[salin]

62. er...

use of lingo suggests this is a brief visit.

not to mention very nonsensical wording...
"It was thought wilderness before falling into good long lurk here."
What does this mean?

Condoning Murder? All I can gather is support for the little PayPal play? Otherwise I have no idea to what is being refered.

[RetroLounge]

64. Astonishing that you are still here...

RL

[bigwillq]

66. What toppings do you want

on your pizza??

[merh]

68. Gee - I think you are posting in the wrong world.

From the tone of your post, it appears you took a left when you should have taken a right. :hi:

[CoffeeCat]

63. These people are so DEPRAVED, I can't stand it!!!!

I'm sad enough about Andy--and it's just torture to read the ridiculous things these creeps have to say.

The sad thing is---these people don't realize how truly sick they are.

I have plenty of friends who are Republicans. I belong to a Bible Study--and 75 percent of the attendees are Republicans. My children are involved in several playgroups--and many of the parents are Republicans. We play at their houses. They play at ours.

Sometimes we discuss politics. We disagree. Sometimes we have heated arguments--but the discussion remains civil and we listen to one another.

THESE SICK FREE REPUBLIC SCUM ARE NOT REPUBLICANS!!! THEY ARE NOT EVEN HUMAN BEINGS!!!

These debased "freepers" will never--see how off the charts they are. People like this never do.

They think it's "ok" to ruthlessly malign a man who has cancer and spread all over the Internet that he's faking his illness. These people don't apologize when they find out the cancer is real. They switch to other red-herring arguments. And they find nothing wrong with this and feel no remorse!

These people are off-the-deep-end, beyond-the-pale---sickos.

I don't know ANY Republican who would act in this way. NOT A ONE!

Notice what DU did when we joined forces? We helped a friend in need. Notice what Free Republic does when they coalesce their energies? Hate, lies, distortions, misinformation, bile and attacks come pouring out. Free Republican helps sick, conscience-lacking, highly evil creeps to gather and cultivate hate that has real-life consequences for a dying, selfless, humble person--WHO NEVER DID ONE DAMN THING TO ANY OF THOSE PEOPLE!

They are not Republicans. They are a mutant strain of human being that 99 percent of society would reject in person.

They're nothing. They're society's rejects. They're the losers that everyone avoids in real life. It's too bad that they had any affect on anything, but they did.

They are an embarrassment.

/end rant

[emdee]

69. So, are they lying when they say....

that instead of having the government give "hand-outs", friends, relatives, and loved ones should help their own? That is what Reps always say to me - although they have no answer when I ask "what about when cousin-Sally needs an operation that will be $80,000?"

But, in light of the way they've reacted to the fund-raising for Andy, I don't believe them anymore when they say "take care of your own and leave the government out of it."

So, the question is: WHAT DO THEY WANT?

emdee

[merh]

70. They mean to hurt anyone that they perceive as a threat.

They mean to push their agenda at all costs, even if it means harming others that they perceive are a threat to their vile agenda.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely. They like the taste of blood. It makes them feel important and powerful. They are vampires.

[fooj]

77. My take...

These people hate what they don't understand. They don't understand unconditional love. What they don't understand, they fear. Just my 2 cents worth. I vote for fear us! From the looks of things, it seems they've got quite a bit to fear right about now!

Ignorance breeds fear. Fear breeds hatred. It's all a vicious, destructive cycle. It certainly wasn't what Andy represented. IMO, these losers don't deserve the same "thread space"...they have nothing positive to offer this country. Divisive, unethical behavior is part of the reason we are in the mess we face as a nation.

Honestly...it's not much of a gamble to leave them to drown in their own bile. The way I see it- we've got important issues that need our attention. This is what Andy would have wanted. We've got to make sure that those bastards NEVER steal another election again. We've got to remain active and not allow these animals to distract us from the "brass ring"!!! We are CLOSE! We are very close. I can feel it.

Just believe. Have faith. Andy has got it handled! I'm sure of it. We just need to keep our wits about us and focus on the goal...

WE ALL KNOW WHAT THAT IS, RIGHT? :patriot:

peace.

[goodboy]

72. they want it both ways for them, and no way for us. typical pukes (nt)

[salin]

86. Excellent point. n/t

[Catherine Vincent]

73. So this stupid freep fuck doesn't want liberal groups to raise money

for any good cause while conservatives can raise money for whatever they want?

[VOX]

74. Haven't you heard? George Soros gives us liberals **everything** we need!

:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

My wife worked the phones for Kerry last election, and she had to call some Florida numbers, and she in fact heard this line. The blind stupidity is staggering. :crazy:

[merh]

75. Why of course. It's the ole, do as I say, not as I do.

They are very self-absorbed and evil.


Hey cat! :hi:

[Catherine Vincent]

87. And hello to you Merh!

I've been thinking about you and the family down in the path of Dennis. I take it you are high and dry by now but you be careful out there, ya hear?! :hi::hug:

[merh]

92. Fortunately for me, Dennis was an inconvenience and a waste of

a Sunday, I was high and dry and prepared. Thanks for asking. :hug:

[TranZam]

78. God I feel pretty Lousy

I was a former DU member (NewsGuyOne) who got tombstoned for asking Andy a few questions about his relations with a know con-man named Delmart Vreeland, who seemed like the perfect fit for an over-the-internet scam.
Suddenly, although I didn't accuse anyone of anything, I was getting attacked all over the place, being called a Freeper, and a troll ... and before I knew it, I was banned.

I sent a few emails, and didn't get a response.

So I went over and watched the thing transpire from CU and FR, where I also got banned real quick.

I guess I'm a bit to cynical for my own good.
I apologize to Andy and his family and friends for casting any doubt on his illness.
I just worried that people on the board were being taken for a ride.

Just for the record, the crap at scamdy.com goes beyond skepticism or even cynicism.
That's pure hate. And anyone involved with it must feel pretty damn ashamed.

[merh]

80. .

:hug:

[Massacure]

82. If I recall, Skinner said that DU requires about $8,000 a month to operate

It's not like this website is totally blind to the art of fund raising.

Cripplecreek was just talking with shit in his mouth, as many freepers do.

[merh]

89. It was not just that - it was sewing the seeds of doubt

in the fund raising, in Andy, in fellow DUers, in DU and in ourselves.

Shame folks cannot recognize how deliberate it was, how calculated.

[blue neen]

84. You know, in a very sick way, they wanted to control us.

And they didn't. And they can't. And they won't.

So, they stoop to sub-human levels of action. They're the ones who are out of control.

Andy's body was sick, but his soul was so very special and thriving and vital.

The people who launched these vicious attacks have no souls. That's not what I call really being alive.

[sakabatou]

85. "If Andy was scamming people..."

HE'S FUCKING DEAD YOU ASSHATS!!!

:cry:

[expatriate]

88. I find it mind boggling, and devoid of any sort of reason.

Personally, I can't understand why anyone, here or elsewhere, should have an opinion about what other people choose to donate to. I consider what I do with my money my own personal business, and I don't appreciate anyone's poking their nose into it, whether they think they're doing it for the common good or not.

I donated to Andy, and I only wish I could have donated more. It's been a lean year for me - there are so many things, including DU, that I would love to donate to, but there is only so much to go - and it went to Andy, who had a real and present need when I had a little extra money.

My attitude on fundraising is - give with both hands open, or don't give at all. Think it's a scam? Vote with your feet and your pocketbook. Think it's not a worthy cause? Vote with your feet and your pocketbook. But let others make their own choices as to what they do with their money. Give other people the dignity of making their own choices as to who and what to give to.

If these people think that this was a great test case to prevent further "Liberal fundraiseing" - they make my blood run cold. A very sick man was hounded and allowed no peace, and even now that he's dead, they can't stop. I cannot comprehend the darkness of their minds and hearts.

[Raksha]

121. A freeper do something for "the common good"?

Re >>I consider what I do with my money my own personal business, and I don't appreciate anyone's poking their nose into it, whether they think they're doing it for the common good or not.<<

That sounds like a contradiction in terms. They don't even like the expression "the common good"! Any time I use that phrase around freepers I get labeled a communist!

[Kelvin Mace]

90. Another important reason to slander Andy

If Bev was ever brought up on criminal charges, Andy wouild have been the star witness against her. It became crucial to discredit him at all costs.

[merh]

91. That is a very good point.

And one would think that it works to her advantage that he not be available to testify in the first place. :cry:

[troubleinwinter]

95. THAT is hitting the nail precisely on the head.

Let us recall the various 'identities' on the various boards seeking to discredit Andy and fostering the smear.

[flyarm]

98. absolutely! n/t

[NC Beach Girl]

105. I had that same thought

He knew where most of the skeletons were in her closet and it became her mission to discredit him using different names on message boards all over the internet (because God knows she was not doing any of the stuff she raised money to do, so she had lots of free time). She's STILL smearing him here whenever possible using fake names and at the scamdy site and yet has the GALL to post condolences about Andy on her bbv site....it's nauseating.

Even if she was not responsible for the scamdy site (and I tend to think she was), those jerks would not have been able to get some of the information they had without help from Bev. Why would she feel the need to jump in threads at fr all about Andy? Why would she email Fred Grady and smear Andy some more? Was it part of her important vote fraud investigation or was it yet another opportunity to smear Andy and incite others to smear him, too? There is absolutely no excuse for her actions and as his former employer, she had NO business discussing Andy's personal business with some guy who clearly had an agenda from freeperland.

But some people here will still defend her and think that anything she does is OK because she claims to be working against vote fraud, even if her actions put a dying man through a lot of unneeded stress (and I will not rule out that she directly contributed to his death!), it is SICKENING! :puke:

[ComerPerro]

93. Actually, the easiest way to fund-raise for politics is to start a church

and claim that you are Christian.

That's how the right wing has been organizing "grassroots" movements for years now.

EDIT: and you don't have to pay any taxes!

[merh]

97. Not just churches.

Community organizations, the Rotary, the Kiawanas, the Lions Club, the Knights of Columbus, the Chambers of Commerce. They have infiltrated these organizations and their like and have "shared" their corrupt and selfish messages, distorting the good efforts and replaced them with "what is good for me efforts".

[Democracy White]

94. I just want to know why

the freepers are so obsessed about DU. I mean another site actually has a forum called "The Best/Worst of DU"

I don't see anything even remotely like that here on DU.

Dee

[Kelvin Mace]

96. It is called mental illness

The type of thing you see in stalkers and ex-boyfriends/ex-husbands who can face reality.

[Democracy White]

100. I see

so it's basically a twisted form of OCD? (My bad to all of you who are suffering from, I mean no harm)

dee

[Kelvin Mace]

101. Well, I don't think they put it in the category

of OCD, I think it has it's own category. OCD generally is not anti-social in nature. <s>

[EFerrari]

113. Malignant narcissism. On edit: But there is some kind of

handling going on here. No matter how smart, a bunch of amateurs couldn't do what these people tried to do.

[In_The_Wind]

102. Those people are really sick in the head!

have they no shame

[Jack Rabbit]

103. Hey, DeepRed, let me clue you in on a could of things

1. Liberals, progressives and people associated with them knew how to raise money long before this. Take a few lessons from Howard Dean. Or Bill Clinton. Or Nancy Pelosi. They're all quite good at it.

2. Andy Stephenson is dead. If that isn't evidence that he needed surgery that had a chance of saved his life, I don't know what is. I don't know whether all the i's were dotted and all t's crossed on the fundraising effort. I really don't care. Neither did the fucking scumbags¹ at scamdy.com. They wanted the world to believe Andy was a perfectly healthy con artist, although they had absolutely no reason to think so. Now, some of them want us to believe that Andy faked his death, or, like your fellow Freeper KC_Conspirator (see post 25 on that thead), just think it would be good fun to spead that kind of slander around. I am waiting for those fucking ghouls² at scamdy.com to post a thread with a photocopy of the death certificate under the title What do you make of this? I know what to make of it. I know what to make of them, too.

1. Pardon my French. I reserve such oaths for special occasions, like when speaking about people who really, really deserve to addressed in such a way.
2. See note 1.

[troubleinwinter]

107. The instigators of this

NEVER, EVER thought or questioned if it was a "scam". NEVER. It was, and is, a DELIBERATE smear.

They have convinced their hateful followers that there may be some sliver of a shadow of a question of its legitimacy. The instigators know it is crap and lies.

They managed to get even good people to question for a bit.

But make NO mistake. The origin of this smear is NOT innocent or honest questioning.

Know your enemy. They use deliberate lies, misinformation, and twisting of truth. They throw in just enough facts to make the lies appear to be truth.

[Jack Rabbit]

110. I believe that

If there had been something wrong with the fund raising -- and I don't know one way or the other -- there was never a reason to think that Andy faked his need.

Know your enemy. They use deliberate lies, misinformation, and twisting of truth. They throw in just enough facts to make the lies appear to be truth.

I thought the Swift Boat Liars were bad enough. Never mind the truth; just smear somebody because you don't agree with his politics, even when you know better. The Swifties don't look so bad compared to the creators of scamdy.com. I'd call them snakes, but real snakes would have a right to sue.

[EFerrari]

112. Nothing wrong with the fundraising for the surgery.

I didn't know I had to register it with WA State but have corrected that. In fact, I had until the end of the year to do it. The Charities office was inundated with calls from those freaks and, have been as kind to me as possible.

I have a record of everyone who contacted me as asked. We have copies of the cashier's checks.

End of story.

[Jack Rabbit]

114. Thanks

!!

[Jack Rabbit]

108. I was so mad I made a mess of that

Hey, DeepRed, let me clue you in on a couple of things

1. Liberals, progressives and people associated with them knew how to raise money long before this. Take a few lessons from Howard Dean. Or Bill Clinton. Or Nancy Pelosi. They're all quite good at it.

2. Andy Stephenson is dead. If that isn't evidence that he needed surgery that had a chance of saving his life, I don't know what is. I don't know whether all the i's were dotted and all t's crossed on the fundraising effort. I really don't care. Neither did the fucking scumbags¹ at scamdy.com. They wanted the world to believe Andy was a perfectly healthy con artist, although they had absolutely no reason to think so. Now, some of them want us to believe that Andy faked his death, or, like your fellow Freeper KC_Conspirator (see post 25 on that thead), just think it would be good fun to spead that kind of slander around. I am waiting for those fucking ghouls² at scamdy.com to post a thread with a photocopy of the death certificate under the title: What do you make of this? I know what to make of it. I know what to make of them, too.

Notes:

1. Pardon my French. I reserve such oaths for special occasions, like when speaking about people who really, really deserve to addressed in such a way.

2. See note 1.

[noiretextatique]

106. the power of insinuation and innuendo

i am not sure what the motives of these folks were, but the insidious nature of the charges did take a toll. there are DUers speculating about whether andy is alive, and whether the entire fundraising effort an elaborate ruse :eyes: i've heard speculation about all those involved in the fundraising...and of course, most of it is either without merit (aka LIES) or so ridiculous...it's not worth addressing.
the seeds of poisonous mistrust and cynicism spread by a few depraved individuals took root right here. if there is any lesson to be learned from this shameful episode, i hope it's this: folks...do your research before simply repeating information.
many of the so-called "legitimate questions" i've seen here are warmed over versions of anonymous army's rant from kos and scamdy.
whatever the motives of those who started this, folks here need to be a lot smarter about parroting baseless crap from folks with an axe to grind.

:hi: btw, merh...let me know if you need any help with anything. i have been following this thing closely of late...

[benburch]

109. Do you mind saying which DUers?

I've seen that the Scamdyscum have speculated to that effect, but nobody here.

If you can tell me which DUers were saying that, we might uncover some Scamdyscum moles.

[EFerrari]

111. This is what PMs are for. n/t

[noiretextatique]

117. it was a

private conversation with one person who is a committed skeptic, but if i ever see anything to that effect here, i most certainly will let you know. but i doubt anyone would have the temerity to do that here...now.

[goodboy]

116. psst...PJ Comix...

To: franksolich
Well, it appears death was caused by a post-operative infection.

I'm thinking HIV might have played a big part. However, because of the laws on this, it probably won't be revealed.
124 posted on 07/11/2005 4:27:52 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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FUCK YOU Buddy. You're a fucking worthless piece of shit.

[NC Beach Girl]

118. totally worthless

How can they sleep at night??? No matter what politics or lifestyle was involved, Andy was a human being who they made suffer for their own amusement...it is sickening.

All I see over there now are endless pathetic excuses for what they did and are continuing to do. I hope they are all shown the same amount of compassion and humanity in their final days as they showed Andy.

[EFerrari]

120. dupe

[EFerrari]

122. So, now PJ has a medical degree. How convenient for him.

And for the rest of their merry band whose names I won't post here.

Sure, infection, AIDS, whatEVER -- so long as it isn't the cancer they ridiculed, the cancer that took my friend.

Let them post away. Let them set a new standard for depravity as publicly as possible. They can't hurt Andy ever again. And so, they can't hurt me either. They can only continue to reveal themselves for what they are.

For every one of these pathetic losers, there are a thousand people who love and honor Andy. Let that be their hell.

[rman]

123. Of course it has nothing to do with investigations of election fraud.

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