"Reclaiming America for Christ" with D. James Kennedy Ph.D.

[mopaul]

http://www.reclaimamerica.org/PAGES/CONFERENCES/RAC2005/default.aspx

i caught him for the first time on t.v. this morning, among all the other sunday morning sermons. he just comes right out and says it, it even says it on the podium, 'reclaiming america for christ'. no mystery or hidden agenda, just saying it aloud and proud. christ, and no other.
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their platform:

Fresh strategies to win America's culture war
• The surprising history of church and state in America
• Up-to-date details about the fight to protect the unborn
• The war on Christianity within our borders
• How one organization is taking on the ACLU and winning
• What happens when a leading trial attorney puts Darwin on the stand
• How churches can be voices for righteousness
• What a leading scholar says about Jefferson's "wall of separation"
• How to persuasively share Christ with others
• What a former gay rights activist says about the homosexual agenda
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and this guy's not the only one on t.v. spewing the same crap.
and the word 'reclaiming', when was it actually, legally stated that christ claimed america, and his followers must now reclaim it?

people are getting crazier all the time because reality keeps manifesting itself, so they must re arrange reality and rely instead on mythology. and they want to run a real nation on a myth. they are extremely dangerous to the union.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

1. He's part of the new American persecuted Christian class...

Wanting to usurp a once great religion and a once great country.

These fuckers are no better than the people who flew the plnes into the WTC.

[Wapsie B]

7. They talk about how the age of victimization is over.

Then in the next breath claim persecution themselves.

[FreedomAngel82]

45. LOL!

They can't have it both ways. :eyes:

[Wapsie B]

47. I know, but they'll sure as hell try to.

They don't want just a place at the table. They want it all.

[catmandu57]

14. They're cut from the same cloth

They even worship the same imaginary being to a point, dangerous, dangerous people, how we rid ourselves of this ridiculousness I haven't a clue.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

16. I know.... Seperation of church and state....

nevermind.

Ban organised religion?

[WCGreen]

53. They don't worship anythng but power and money...

There all hucksters made all the more dangerous now that they have access to the airwaves.....

[damntexdem]

20. If you don't do exactly as I say, you're persecuting me.

The poor, poor baby!

[donco6]

2. Mopaul - for the first time?

Wow, you're fortunate! He's been on for years spewing the same crap. He grew in influence about 10 or 12 years ago, but has seemed to have plateaued lately. The Clinton penisgate really helped propel him to the forefront. I'll bet the selection of new Supremes will give him rise again as well.

He's an odious creature.

[omega minimo]

34. Devil with the blue dress blue dress Devil with the blue dress

"The Clinton penisgate really helped propel him to the forefront."

You mean Staingate?

[donco6]

35. *touching nose*

the very one.

[Wapsie B]

3. I'd love to just give them a few states

and let them run it the way they choose. But the thing is they'd all have to live there. No bible-worshippers allowed in the rest of the country. Let them make their promised land and leave the rest of us alone.

[iconoclastic cat]

26. That would be incredibly dangerous.

They would consolidate power and wage war on their neighbors. All for (anti)Christ.

[KG]

4. and nobody stopped them all from going to the church so they could

whine about being persecuted, and nobody jammed their TV signals where they whined about be censored.

[FreedomAngel82]

46. Exactly

It's just ridiculous! How can anybody take them being persecuted seriously? I'm Christian and have never been persecuted for being one. I go to church freely and can have as many Christian items in my house as I like. :eyes:

[undeterred]

5. the revisionist history is making the founders roll over in their tombs

They hate the ACLU until they need it.

[Mythsaje]

6. That tears it!

We need to invent a time machine to bring Thomas Jefferson forward...HE'D put an end to this crap once and for all. We should bring ol' Ben Franklin forward too, come to think of it.

We can put those two on the talk circuit and end this nonsense forever.

[Flammable Materials]

8. This looks like a job for ...

[Mythsaje]

11. LOL

My wife actually saw that movie for the first time a few weeks ago...well, part of it. I had to explain a lot of it to her, since she came in on the last 20 minutes.

It's a goofy movie, but I have always liked it.

[damntexdem]

21. OK, I give up:

what movie is it?

[donco6]

24. Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure

I think that's right.

[Mythsaje]

31. That's the one

though the second one, originally titled "Bill and Ted Go To Hell" was, at least in parts, even funnier.

[really annoyed]

37. EXCELLENT!!

:)

"Want a twinkie, Genghis Khan?"



:rofl:

[BushFungus]

9. I'm a Christian but

I think Kennedy should stop. If I were going to his church I would leave. I'm tired of hearing all this patriotic pro-America nonsense from the pulpit.

The pulpit should be reserved for the proclamation of God's Word, not the proclamation of America the Great and partisan politics.

[FreedomAngel82]

48. I agree

My preacher never has done that. Only twice this year has he talked about things that deal with the country. One was about how we're lucky in this country compared to other's with freedoms and being able to gather and worship and then a fourth of July sermon where he talked about how people have given their life for our rights. Today he talked about how we shouldn't get evil with evil but with good and we shouldn't be like the world and want to do an "eye for an eye" but inturn be like Christ who took a lot from the world. He should be our great example. He also at the end said the question "why should I give my hard earned money to those less fortunate?" and mentioned how we should lay everything in spirit and not in the world like these people seem to be doing. It seems as though these people should come hear my preacher speak (I'm Church of Christ). I don't know what party affiliation he is in, if any, but he always has great sermons that can help us with our daily lives and how to be a better person. It seems as if these people are too caught up in wordly events and not enough where it matters.

[indepat]

10. They indeed pose the greatest imaginable threat to this Republic IMHO

[GeekMonkey]

12. If there was a god, these bozos would be the first to be smited

but, since there isn't, we just have to counter their superstitious nonsense with facts and hope we can get through to enough of them that they once again become just a manageable annoyance

[FreedomAngel82]

49. How do you know??

You don't. Nobody does. That's why it's called faith. I believe in God and I believe He will take care of these people in the afterlife. That's where it counts. They too will have their judgement day. Here on Earth they can act as righteous as they want and pretend to be. How they treat people and if they're really following Jesus Christ will be how they're judged by God.

[VOX]

52. I respect and appreciate your faith. But right-wing fundamentalists are...

screwing up **this** world, in the here and now. I'm in no particular hurry to get to an afterlife myself (should one exist), and I don't think it's presumptuous to say that most folks also are in no hurry to find out the "grand secret."

If the these fundamentalists -- who advocate hatred and the murder of gays and minorities, who believe that war is peace, and that Jesus would bomb the hell out of His father's own creation -- get their just desserts in the hereafter, fine, and so be it.

In the meantime, the Earth, and the freedom to live without tyranny, and the right to pursue a good and happy life belongs to us all, not just those individuals who think the end is near, and are actively doing all they can (either deliberately, or in blind ignorance, which is **no** excuse) to bring about the end of the world, all by having some sad, sorry delusion that they have an inside track to knowing the "will of God."

Again, I emphasize that I am not criticizing or bashing Christians, or your faith in particular. In fact, I am one of many who feels that my faith, along with much else, has been hijacked by these extremists.

[FreedomAngel82]

55. I know how you feel

I have tried talking and some are easy to get along with and talk to and others I just want to bang my head in. *sigh* One day at church my preacher was talking about how Christians now days have a bad rap. I wanted to stand up and scream "well DUH!"

[GeekMonkey]

56. You are what is known as an 'enabler'

You enable the right wing christo-fascists by perpetuating the very myths that give them power over the gullible.

Religion makes oppression possible.

Religion is about fear. Terroristic threats of eternal torture, or, at the very least, a denial of the paradise that 'true believers' get to have.

It's arrogant and insulting for you to claim that 2000 years ago, these guys had it all figured out and the stories they made up are true.

Please don't take it personally, but your faith in superstitions just keeps the problem alive. Right wing idiots are just a symptom of the disease of religion.

[leftchick]

13. he is pretty creepy isn't he mopaul?

I caught his act for the first time a few weeks ago spewing how Social Security equals GASP!!! that EVIL SOCIALISM that has DESTROYED European Society!!!!

He is a sick fuck. And do you know how many Millions of his sheep there are??

:hide:

[damntexdem]

25. Of course, that doesn't go over too well with those ...

depending on their Social Security checks, nor with their families.

Hey, maybe Kennedy will convince millions that they really DO support socialism, and maybe they'll figure that they should. Now, wouldn't that change politics a bit in the U.S.?

[Atlas Mugged]

15. Forward this and anything like it to Ben Stein

who was on tv last Sunday making fun of anyone who thinks the religious right has an agenda. I nearly threw an ashtray through my set.

[TreasonousBastard]

17. People like him believe in a very weak god...

that seems to need our help to survive.

Most Christians believe in a God who does not need our help at all, and can do very well for himself, thankyouverymuch.

The whole point of most religions is that the gods are better than us, and we aspire to their examples, a point completely irrelevant to those preachers who are more interested in their own influence than on listening to the gods they pretend to believe in.

[omega minimo]

33. "The whole point of most religions is that the gods are better than us"

Wasn't the Christian message that Jesus was born into this life to show that all can live in the Christ Spirit? The Jimmy Carter quote down below about the "Prince of Peace" is excellent.

"....preachers who are more interested in their own influence than on listening to the gods they pretend to believe in" is a fairly standard description of the religion business. I'm sure there are great and loving religious leaders with integrity who "walk the walk" but they are exceptions to the rule.

[TreasonousBastard]

42. "The religion business" isn't all of religion...

and you will find thousands of priests, rabbis, ministers... in their temples and parishes quietly working to feed the hungry, console the sick, and do whatever it is they do all day long.

I remember a quote from somewhere, maybe a fictional story, about a charismatic minister who was offered the chance to go on tv and become a Christian superstar.

He said he could not do it because he was needed for the weddings and funerals of his little flock, and a worldwide tv ministry would help no one as much as he could at home in his little church.

That's really the way most of them are, but you just don't hear about them because they don't have the time, interest, or resources to get on the news.

It is often forgotten that humility is a basic Christian concept, and it's the kind of thing that doesn't advertise itself no matter how much of it there is-- the point is to not be noticed.

[omega minimo]

50. That's very powerful. You're right.

I would like to think that is happening more than the powermongering is.

[Coastie for Truth]

18. What a leading scholar says about Jefferson's "wall of separation"

Yes - this is what a leading theologian and scholar says about the Jeffersonian "Wall of Separation" - noted Unitarian-Universalist theologian Forrest Church (Senator Frank Church's son):

1. The Separation of Church and State : Writings on a Fundamental Freedom by America's Founders by Forrest Church

2. The American Creed : A Biography of the Declaration of Independence by Forrest Church

3. Restoring Faith: America's Religious Leaders Answer Terror with Hope by Forrest Church

and, of course, Jefferson's Bible (including the various annotated versions such as Thomas Jefferson, The Jefferson Bible: The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth, Introduction by Forrest Church)

I guess Kennedy doesn't count Church as a theologian.

[really annoyed]

38. His "Scholar" is Probably David Barton

Who is a complete fraud.

http://candst.tripod.com/boston1.htm

[damntexdem]

19. He almost tells the truth about his intent:

he just leaves off the "anti" before the "Christ." ;-)

[More Than A Feeling]

22. A state is not and cannot be religious in nature

because it is a creation solely of history, and God is eternal. God loves people, not governments. It makes me sick to see faith perverted by idolatry of the state.

This doesn't even get into the constitutional angle, which is the last word, but the religious perspective would surely be more convincing to those who believe that America is a "Christian nation"

[Gay Green]

23. "they are extremely dangerous to the union."

not to mention the planet. :scared:

[struggle4progress]

27. Let's out-righteous them! How will our "Christian America" look?

First, we're abolishing ownership of land. The Bible says clearly that "The earth is the Lord's." When we abolish land titles, we don't have to repay the former owners, because the Constitution refers to taking property for public use, whereas (of course) serving the Lord is not a public use.

Next, we are going to enforce Year of the Jubilee provisions. The Bible clearly says that every seven years, all debts should be forgiven. For example, we'll be completely voiding mortgages and accumulated credit card debt every seven years.

And while there are poor in the world, tax cuts for the rich is simply blasphemy. We'll be taxing surplus accumulation at approximately 100%. We must put into practice the ideas of our luminaries such as Basil the Great: "When someone steals a person’s clothes, we call him a thief. Should we not give the same name to one who could clothe the naked and does not? The money which you hoard up belongs to the poor." As Dorothy Day phrased it: "If you have two coats, you’ve stolen one." This is NOT metaphorical.

Anyone who calls himself/herself a Christian but doesn't really subscribe to such a view is just a hypocrite and an imposter.

[GeekMonkey]

57. This sounds just as scary as their version

Let's just stop pretending that myths are real and get busy helping each other for the sake of each other, and not for the glorification of a fictional character in an ancient fairy tale.

[struggle4progress]

59. I figure if anybody starts shouting back like this, it WILL scare them.

:D

[rateyes]

28. We all need to keep in mind that Kennedy

is the ring leader in trying to overturn the first amendment's "establishment" and "free exercise" clauses--thus ensuring what Jefferson himself called "the separation of church and state." Kennedy was on the hill a couple of years ago arguing that churches ought to be able to give a portion of what their parishoners put in the offering plate to political candidates and campaigns---without losing their tax-exempt status.

Every time I think of those mega-churches, especially in Atlanta, that have 80 and 90 million dollar facilities that sit right in the middle of damn slums---and, think how far that money could go in "helping the least" as Jesus put it---or how much good even the property taxes that could be collected on such a place could do--I want to :puke:

[Sapphire Blue]

29. The Jacksonville Declaration - Reclaim Christianity

Please check it out, sign it & reclaim Christianity @ http://www.christianalliance.org/site/c.bnKIIQNtEoG/b.689007/k.2601/Flash_Movie.htm

[Sapphire Blue]

30. Jimmy Carter explains how the Christian right isn't Christian at all.

Jimmy Carter explains how the Christian right isn't Christian at all.

How do you think the fundamentalist Christian right has misrepresented Christianity, as well as the democratic process?

Well, what do Christians stand for, based exclusively on the words and actions of Jesus Christ? We worship him as a prince of peace. And I think almost all Christians would conclude that whenever there is an inevitable altercation -- say, between a husband and a wife, or a father and a child, or within a given community, or between two nations (including our own) -- we should make every effort to resolve those differences which arise in life through peaceful means. Therein, we should not resort to war as a way to exalt the president as the commander in chief. A commitment to peace is certainly a Christian principle that even ultraconservatives would endorse, at least by worshipping the prince of peace.

And Christ reached out almost exclusively to the poor, suffering, abandoned, deprived -- the scorned, the condemned people -- including Samaritans and those who were diseased. The alleviation of suffering was a philosophy that was enhanced and emphasized by the life of Christ. Today the ultra-right wing, in both religion and politics, has abandoned that principle of Jesus Christ’s ministry.

Those are the two principal things in the practical sense that starkly separate the ultra-right Christian community from the rest of the Christian world: Do we endorse and support peace and support the alleviation of suffering among the poor and the outcast?

http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/JimmyCarterChristianRightIsntChristian.html

And Jesus said...


"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'

"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'

"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'

"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'

"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'

"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'

"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

- Matthew 25:34-36

[flordehinojos]

32. He has the church with the biggest tower in all of Ft. Lauderdale.

The people who go to his church are usually upscale people who either have lots of $$$$$$$$ or pretend to have lots of $$$$$$$$$ as to how he, or his church, or his people help the poor, the needy, the suffering, the imprisoned ... i don't really know, except perhaps by shaming them because they are suffering, or poor, or needy ...

[really annoyed]

36. Cry Me A River Kennedy!

Sharing Christ with others?

Try feeding the poor.

War on Christianity?

Try living in the Middle East and being a Christian. Then tell me about persecution.

What happens when a leading trial attorney puts Darwin on the stand?

Charles Darwin has been dead for a long time. Good luck with that one!

:evilgrin:

[Daphne08]

39. Once again the message of Jesus has been perverted and

twisted beyond recognition.

I understand the motives of these super-preachers, but I cannot comprehend the thought processes their followers.

They probably have never engaged in "critical thinking" concerning this upside-down Christian message since they've been brainwashed into believing that if it is not accepted by their church, then it is "of the devil."

Dangerous times.

[johannes1984]

40. They are really dangerous to the Union indeed

divide and conquer

At times like these i actually understand the scandenavian system where you get prosecuted for saying such things .

[FreedomAngel82]

41. I doubt

these people will have much luck with the ACLU.

[FreedomAngel82]

43. Something I was wondering

Has anybody here tried looking up and seeing if all these groups lead back to the same people? It sounds to me as if these groups have talking points just like the republican politicians.

[FreedomAngel82]

44. dupe delete

[msongs]

51. it's all about sending him $$$$$$$$$$$ and lots of it n/t

[VOX]

54. This is the sad truth. "Jesus Inc.," which really isn't about Jesus at all

It's about selling fear, divisivness, hatred of strangers, intolerance, and turning a blind eye to unspeakable cruelty.

It is, in fact, un-American. :grr:

[NMMNG]

58. He and his compatriots need to be committed

Send them to Antarctica or some other barren wasteland they can claim in the name of Jebus and leave rational people be.




BTW mopaul, love that animation :rofl: