Burma Jones
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Sun Jul-10-05 01:25 PM
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Poll question: Will the New Supreme Court Strike Roe Down? |
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Or put otherwise, will the Right Wing give this issue up? I think not. I think Chimpy and the gang are looking for someone to uphold Roe while handing over more power from individuals to the state and to Corporattions. They want to keep the Abortion issue alive as long as they can.
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Sun Jul-10-05 01:25 PM
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...cuz that's been one of their biggest goals. Freakin crackheads.
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Sun Jul-10-05 01:25 PM
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1. At this point, it appears inevitable. |
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Sun Jul-10-05 01:35 PM
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2. The right-wing conspiracy needs abortion to remain legal |
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in order to inflame their base. The conspiracy will extend to the SCOTUS.
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Sun Jul-10-05 02:09 PM
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if they have the chance to do it and don't, I think they'll alienate a lot of the fundy base. However, if they outlaw abortion, the fundies will be forever indebted to the Republican party.
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Sun Jul-10-05 05:02 PM
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18. No, actually, if the base doesn't get some serious PAYBACK on this |
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after years of support and decades of being told 'it's just around the corner'... the right-wing conspiracy is fucked.
After overturning Roe v. Wade, they will find something else- banning all forms of birth control, criminalizing consensual sex between gays or unmarried people, waging a war on pictures of people having sex. They'll figure it out.
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Sun Jul-10-05 01:37 PM
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3. They have little choice |
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if they are going to continue to serve the goal of a GOP led one party system.
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Sun Jul-10-05 01:38 PM
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who ends up getting nominated and what cases they get to decide. I can't vote one way or the other.
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Sun Jul-10-05 01:38 PM
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5. If they do,they will have lost their main rallying, unifying issue |
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I suspect Republican strategists realize its probably better to keep abortion legal so as to keep unifying and rallying the main sects of the Repucblican party, many of whom would infight if not for a rallying issue.
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Sun Jul-10-05 01:40 PM
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6. I'm not sure they will... |
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but I'm pretty sure they'll pretty much cut it down to strictly first trimester, with second trimester only for health or save life and third only to save life. I don't think they'll be able to get rid of the "to save the life of the mother" proviso, but I think they'll figure a way to get rid of the "health of the mother" proviso.
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Sun Jul-10-05 01:44 PM
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Even if they wanted to, which I'm not at all convinced of, they would need to take at least two seats. Even if they manage to put a wingnut in O'Conner's seat, they still don't have a majority. Replacing Rehnquist won't do it either.
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Sun Jul-10-05 01:48 PM
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Edited on Sun Jul-10-05 01:53 PM by longship
I can't make an informed decision on this until chimpy nominates one or two--still don't know how many--new justices. Then, we'll all pretty much know what's what.
If it's O'Connor for chief and Gonzales for associate I'd say Roe is very safe (for a while, at least). N.B., O'Connor as chief is a rumor that's been floating around.
If it's Thomas or Scalia for chief and Ted Olson and Gonzales for associate I think Roe would be close.
It could be a lot worse, it could be Thomas for chief and Janice Rogers Brown and Ted Olson. That would finish it for Roe.
There's also rumors that Stevens is going to retire very soon as well. Now there's something that puts absolute chills up and down my spine. Chimpy with *three* appointments. Roe will be absolutely burnt toast.
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Sun Jul-10-05 01:50 PM
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9. No, not with replacing only one |
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There will still be a 5-4 in support of Roe. If two new rabid dogs will be nominated, then there is a threat.
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Sun Jul-10-05 02:01 PM
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10. No, because then what would they use to rally the fundies? |
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Unless they go after birth control and masturbation, too...
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Sun Jul-10-05 03:49 PM
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13. Birth Control Would be the Next to Go |
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and they can always start throwing gays to the lions.
Killing and torturing brown people goes over big with that crowd too.
They own the voting machinez. Everyone in Washington knows that by now. The politicians will give them whatever they want.
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Sun Jul-10-05 02:05 PM
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11. No. Rehnquist is irrelevent, and O'Conner isn't enough to flip it. |
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That's assuming that the O'Conner replacement actually wants to strike down Roe.
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Sun Jul-10-05 03:55 PM
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14. NO, the votes are still 5-4 in favor. |
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No matter who Bush nominates, Roe will be upheld.
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Sun Jul-10-05 04:40 PM
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15. When Roe is overturned and it will be sometime in the future |
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Edited on Sun Jul-10-05 04:41 PM by Poppyseedman
The question of abortion will fall back upon the states legislations and courts to answer.
Bottom line is the Roe vs Wade decision is badly construed constitutional law and needs to be readdressed sometime in the future by the federal judicial system.
Before you all get off your high horses and try reading between the lines trying to deduct some other point than exactly what I said, I'm not taking a position on whether or not abortion is right or wrong, I'm just saying Roe is a poorly conceived opinion (no pun intended) that has been addressed several times to fix fallacies within it's opinion and will continue being attacked until the opinion is overturned and readdressed by the SCOTUS
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Sun Jul-10-05 04:44 PM
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16. Maybe. The rallying cry will simply changed from "MAKE Abortion Illegal" |
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to "KEEP Abortion Illegal".
The ability to rally the base would not change if Roe was struck down.
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Sun Jul-10-05 04:56 PM
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17. It will not be struck down, it will be whittled down. |
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Bush's appointees won't directly take down Roe. They will, however, allow every sort of restriction imaginable to the states short of a total ban. Death by a thousand cuts.
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