Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Gore Vidal Appreciation Thread

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU
 
romantico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 03:30 PM
Original message
Gore Vidal Appreciation Thread
This guy is just incredible! I watched the otehr night a rerun of him on "Real Time' with Bill Maher & then watched 'The Celuloid Closet' & think the guy is a national treasure. I love how he tells the story about Ben-Hur & how him, William Wyler, & Stephen Boyd were in on the gay sub plot leaving Heston totally clueless. Gore's is great with telling stories. Great like Peter O'Toole Great! Wish he'd right a book just about all the little stories he's collected about famous people!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 03:33 PM
Response to Original message
1. He's awesome.
One of my favorite writers. If you hurry, you can get an autographed copy of 'What Went Wrong in Ohio' from Buzzflash.

http://www.buzzflash.com/premiums/05/06/pre05066.html#order

Everything you ever wanted to know about Vidal:

The Gore Vidal Index
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 03:34 PM
Response to Original message
2. some of his essays tell good stories like that
He's a great essayist. Wonderful writer and not just about politics. Can write great just in general.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 03:34 PM
Response to Original message
3. I highly recommend his memoir "Palimpsest."
Edited on Mon Jul-11-05 03:52 PM by swag
Chock full of the kind of stories you like, and sterling prose.

His collections of essays, particularly United States and The Decline and Fall of the American Empire are brilliant, and great tune-ups for the brain.

For my money, his best novels are the scandalous Myra Breckinridge and the very spooky, and real Kalki. Many prefer his historical novels, though.

And he is brilliant as Senator Brickley Paste in the film Bob Roberts.

Thanks for the thread. Happy reading.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
patcox2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 04:19 PM
Response to Reply #3
12. Palimpsest creeped me out, he's a bit self-hating, wierd sexuality.
He was wierdly insistent in saying over and over that when it comes to his sexuality, he is, how shall we say, the active, rather than the passive, participant. He discussed it in such a way that I get the impression he thinks there is something degrading or demeaning about being the recipient in his transactions (like he was saying "I'm a man, I'm a man, I never took the female role"). It was kinda sad to read, he seems tortured by his homosexuality. I mean, isn't it odd to engage in a sex act that you believe is inherently demeaning to your partner?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 04:22 PM
Response to Reply #12
13. I didn't get the impression that he thought he was engaging
Edited on Mon Jul-11-05 04:23 PM by swag
in sex acts inherently demeaning to his partner, rather that he preferred not to even think about the other person's pleasure while having sex, hence his preference of paying for sex.

on edit: I don't mean to dismiss your creepy feelings. If that's how you felt, that's how you felt.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 03:43 PM
Response to Original message
4. i gladly post appreciation for mr vidal! dont forget he wrote the intro to
what happened in ohio 2004 election report. you can get it on conyers website

i do need to buy some of his books
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 03:52 PM
Response to Original message
5. The first paragraph of "Myra Breckinridge"
I am Myra Breckinridge whom no man will ever possess. Clad only in garter belt and one dress shield, I held off the entire elite of the Trobriand Islanders, a race who possess no words for "why" or "because." Wielding a stone axe, I broke the arms, the limbs, the balls of their finest warriors, my beauty blinding them, as it does all men, unmanning them in the way that King Kong was reduced to a mere simian whimper by beauteous Fay Wray whom I resemble left three-quarter profile if the key light is no more than five feet high during the close shot.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
romantico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 03:59 PM
Response to Reply #5
6. I wish he'd write another screenplay!
That would be GREAT!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #5
21. yeah, that's a keeper
Although I suppose no will ever top John Varley's "In five years the penis will be obsolete" as first line of a novel.

I couldn't fully appreciate Myra Breckinridge when I was younger, until I met a man whose fantasy is pretty much exactly this.

"Julian" is a good one also.

So many good ones, really.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mode13h_net Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 04:01 PM
Response to Original message
7. I liked the reference to him on the simpsons
It's the one where they use flander's timeshare and the kids can bring a friend so bart brings milhouse. When marge asks lisa who she called lisa says the only friends she has are "gore vidal, and even he's kissed more boys than I ever will."

marge's reply: "Girls, Lisa. Boys kiss *girls*."

oh marge......


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jane_pippin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 04:04 PM
Response to Original message
8. His novels about American history are fantastic too...
Have you read them? Burr, Lincoln, Empire, etc.? If not, they are well worth it.

:)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 04:29 PM
Response to Reply #8
17. Welcome to DU!
Agree with you 100%!
By the way...
you can hear him on air, RIGHT NOW!
http://www.kpfk.org
Live stream available.
BHN
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jane_pippin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #17
24. Thanks, glad to be here. (Thanks for the link too) nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 05:28 PM
Response to Reply #8
25. Hi jane_pippin!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jane_pippin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 05:34 PM
Response to Reply #25
26. Hi
And thanks, it does.

:toast: Back atcha
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 04:07 PM
Response to Original message
9. Best GOre Vidal Novel= Julian
His first I think...


About Julian Apostate who tried to undo Christianity and bring back Paganism! BEST BOOK EVER! Especially if you dislike Christian Hipocracy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jane_pippin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 04:11 PM
Response to Reply #9
11. Julian is one of my favorite books too.
Edited on Mon Jul-11-05 04:13 PM by jane_pippin
Pretty much anything by Gore Vidal is one of my favorites. Glad to meet some more people who appreciate him.

Julian is not his first though. His first is Williwaw, which I've not read yet.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 04:07 PM
Response to Original message
10. From his essay, "Monotheism and Its Discontents"
http://www.isebrand.com/Gore_Vidal_Monotheism_1992.htm

. . .

Now to the root of the matter. The great unmentionable evil at the center of our culture is monotheism. From a barbaric Bronze Age text known as the Old Testament, three anti-human religions have evolved --Judaism, Christianity, Islam. These are sky-god religions. They are, literally, patriarchal --God is the omnipotent father-- hence the loathing of women for 2,000 years in those countries afflicted by the sky-god and his earthly male delegates. The sky-god is a jealous god, of course. He requires total obedience from everyone on earth, as he is in place not for just one tribe but for all creation. Those who would reject him must be converted or killed for their own good. Ultimately, totalitarianism is the only sort of politics that can truly serve the sky-god's purpose. Any movement of a liberal nature endangers his authority and that of his delegates on earth. One God, one King, one Pope, one master in the factory, one father-leader in the family home.

The founders of the United States were not enthusiasts of the sky-god. Many, like Jefferson, rejected him altogether and placed man at the center of the world. The young Lincoln wrote a pamphlet against Christianity, which friends persuaded him to burn. Needless to say, word got around about both Jefferson and Lincoln and each had to cover his tracks. Jefferson said he was a deist, which could mean anything or nothing, while Lincoln, hand on heart and tongue in cheek, said he could not support for office anyone who "scoffed" at religion.

From the beginning, sky-godders have always exerted great pressure in our secular republic. Also, evangelical Christian groups have traditionally drawn strength from the suppressed. African slaves were allowed to organise heavenly sky-god churches, as a surrogate for earthly freedom. White churches were organised in order to make certain that the rights of property were respected and that the numerous religious taboos in the New and Old Testaments would be enforced, if necessary, by civil law. The ideal to which John Adams subscribed --that we should be a nation of laws, not of men-- was quickly subverted when the churches forced upon everyone, through supposedly neutral and just laws, their innumerable taboos on sex, alcohol, gambling. We are now indeed a nation of laws, mostly bad and certainly anti-human.

Roman Catholic migrations in the last century further re-enforced the Puritan sky-god. The Church has also put itself on a collision course with the Bill of Rights when it asserts as it always has, that "error has no rights." The last correspondence between John Adams and Thomas Jefferson expressed their alarm that the Jesuits were to be allowed into the United States. Although the Jews were sky-god folk, they followed Book One, not Book Two, so they have no mission to convert others; rather the reverse. Also, as they have been systematically demonized by the Christian sky-godders, they tended to be liberal and so turned not to their temple but to the A.C.L.U. Unfortunately, the recent discovery that the sky-god, in his capacity as realtor, had given them, in perpetuity, some parcels of unattractive land called Judea and Samaria has, in my mind, unhinged many of them. I hope this is temporary.

In the First Amendment to the Constitution the Founders made it clear that this was not to be a sky-god nation with a national religion like that of England, from whom we had just separated. It is curious how little understood this amendment is --yes, everyone has a right to worship any god he chooses but he does not have the right to impose his beliefs on others who do not happen to share in his superstitions and taboos. This separation was absolute in our original Republic. But the sky-godders do not give up easily. In the 1950's they actually got the phrase "In God We Trust" onto the currency, in direct violation of the First Amendment.

. . .
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 04:24 PM
Response to Original message
14. He is on air RIGHT NOW-
I just started a thread about it-
Link to live stream here:
http://www.kpfk.org
and click listen live.
He's kicking ass.
As usual...
BHN
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Sparkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 04:31 PM
Response to Reply #14
18. GORE VIDAL !! thanks BeHere!
A concentration camp in Guantanamo now"....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 04:37 PM
Response to Reply #18
20. No mincing words with Gore, eh?
He is such an eloquent speaker
and has the unique gift, along with Senator Bryd,
of delivering the ugliest facts in the most
diplomatic but BITING way...
Heh-heh, I LOVE him!
His Bush imitations are PRICELESS-

BHN
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 04:26 PM
Response to Original message
15. I love him
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 04:26 PM
Response to Original message
16. One of the best! n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 04:31 PM
Response to Original message
19. Do you agree with his statements about Timothy McVeigh? eom
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 04:43 PM
Response to Reply #19
22. Here is a link to the Vanity Fair essay which may have inspired
your question, for the sake of further discussion:

http://www.geocities.com/gorevidal3000/tim.htm

And now you should feel free to answer your own question.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 04:44 PM
Response to Reply #19
23. I think they're worth exploring
I think it is a disgrace, as he pointed out himself, that a man in his 80s should go further in uncovering evidence of a possible conspiracy than the FBI. So, yeah, I tend to agree that there were other people involved, or at least one other person. I don't know if the FBI covered up for some high-up right wingnut or if they bungled, my own thought would be they just pure bungled it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr 24th 2024, 08:13 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC