Who was behind the (London) bombings? The four key theories.

[sleipnir]

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article298280.ece

It's a good article, and lays it all out...except for the CT's that have been slowly simmering on the blogs and DU....

Each explaination has a few more paragraphs to it, but please click through to read due to copywrite issues.


HOME GROWN BOMBERS

Evidence is growing that small numbers of young Muslims in the UK are willing to adopt violence in protest against events such as the war in Iraq.

THE FOREIGN CELL

The need for knowledge about how to make reliable explosive devices suggests that the bombers either had help from foreign terrorists or were themselves seasoned fighters.

THE MADRID TEAM

Similarities between the bombings of commuter trains in Madrid and the Tube and bus attacks in London raise the possibility that they are linked. As in Madrid, the bombs appear to have been in rucksacks left during the morning rush-hour.

BRITISH AL-QA'IDA

A strong possibility is that the bombers were either headed or advised by a British-born Muslim trained at an al-Qa'ida camp in Afghanistan or Pakistan.

[Pepperbelly]

1. Are they limiting their inquiries only to Islamic organizations?

That seems kind of self-defeating and constraining.

I'd look over the tapes. London's covered with them. Find out where the explosions actually occurred and rewind from there to see who left whatever it was that was left. Of course the forensics might provide some information.

Hunt criminals, not terrorists.

[Maple]

4. I agree

If all they're looking at is Islamic organizations, it's a wasted effort.

Hunt criminals, not preconceived notions.

[wakeme2008]

2. Go over to Crooks and Liars

and watch the piece with Richard Clark. Terrors from Europe are GOING to Iraq for training and if they live then are going back to Europe.

So 1 and 4 could be the same.

[applegrove]

3. Someone suggested that al-Qaeda had linked up with cabal of

criminals in Britain. You know - pay them to bomb. We all know some criminals will do anything for money. Anyone who could fall under racketeering charges could be paid to do something like this. Why work hard in that long hard slog which is prostitution, drugs, etc. when you could set yourself up for life with a few million from al-Qaeda?

[Maple]

5. Here tis...

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article298105.ece

"Police and intelligence agents are investigating the theory that a gang of white "mercenary terrorists" was hired by al-Qa'ida to carry out last week's devastating attacks on London.

The Independent on Sunday can reveal today that investigations into the bombings of three Tube trains and a bus, which left at least 49 people dead, are focusing on the possibility that criminal gangs were paid to mount the worst atrocities in British history."

[nine23]

6. That's a very interesting theory...sad but plausable.

However, after working for fifteen years as an ER/Trauma/Triage Nurse in Vancouver's busiest, scummiest Emergency Room (St. Paul's), I can honestly say even hard-core junkie low-lifes have their limits...

Throw organized crime into the mix, tho, it's entirely plausable...

[Pepperbelly]

7. organized crime ain't that organized ...

Mainly, they are merely assholes who will resort to violence to commit crimes. Nothing like Don Corleone or anything like that. Just assholes.

[applegrove]

9. All it takes is one person in the world. Russian, South African mercenary,

doesn't have to be local. Someone not so brown. So when they leave their bag behind people don't jump.

Again. We don't know.

[Pepperbelly]

10. for London?

I expect that there were far more people involved than one.

One. I had not considered that. I seemed to scream ten or twelve people at a minimum.

[applegrove]

12. It takes one to agree to the idea - the underlying patsies will do the

dirty work. Any kingpin knows a whole pile of patsies. Sorry - one person is not what I meant.

[Pepperbelly]

13. make the deal with an independent subcontractor. nt

[sleipnir]

14. Not one, but 3 at least.

The recent revelation is that the bombs were planted through suspects entering the Tube system at Kings Cross. Since three different trains had probable bomb bags, and with the precision timing, I think it's rather hard for one person to plant a bag bomb on three separate trains.

The Bus incident, who knows what that is about. But, that bus also went through the same transit hub as the trains.

[chaz4jazz]

15. not hard at all

If the packs had timing devices they could have all been set to go off at the same time. One person could have carried 30 pounds of explosives in three containers, left one on one train, stgepped onto the next train, left it, then stepped onto the the third train and left it. All three trains were on the Circle Line, so one person could possibly have got on and off three trains usings 4 stations.

[sleipnir]

18. You might have a point.

I don't know...but...

Here's a theory I just came up with. What if it is the same bomber and then he/she gets on a train at KC, plants bomb, gets on another train in opposite direction and plants bomb, repeats that step once more thus placing him back at KC. Just in time to get on the Bus, head south and either, A) suicide bomb on the bus or B) escape route and kills most of the witnesses who could ID him.

Ummm...I'm starting to think right now, that might be what happened. Scary. You might be onto something here chaz4jazz with the solo bomber theory.

[Frederik]

17. Multinational crime organizations

of today are organized like big multinational corporations, whose revenues they often rival. They have R&D divisions, the whole works. I'd say they're organized. Though they often overlap with legitimate business enterprises.

[applegrove]

8. I'm not talking about junkies. I'm talking about the MOM Bouchers

and the real kingpins. They have the character that would do something like that. People who are used to killing others every year or so. Hired hit-men. The real sociopaths not the ones who have an addiction so they loose their humanity to their disease. Not the bit players.

But we don't know.

[bassman79]

11. Well...

It's public record now that Visor Consultants were running a drill of the underground being bombed in precisely the same places at precisely the same times. They were hired by an unnamed American Banking company, according to managing director, former Scotland Yard official Peter Power, which suggested the scenario. Mr. Power disclosed this on the British news network ITN. (The video is available here. Yes, it is Prisonplanet.com, but if the moderator would just bother to visit the page, you will notice immeadeatly the windows media player plugin window begining to play the video from ITN, so there's no reason to question the source of this information)

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/110705bombingexercises.htm


So....

Since the odds of this being a coincidence are astronomical, the only answer I can see to explain this is the terrorists knew about the drill and planned the attack to coincide with it. Now, it's hard to understand how Al-Queda could have learned that information, or even why they would want to coincide with such an exercise. On the other hand, a western intelligence agency would have known, and would have plenty reason to want to coincide with the drill. In addition, guilty politicians might want to have emergency services ready to respond quickly, to at least mitigate the human damage after the attack's goal has been acomplished psycologicaly. Similarly, it is also public record that FEMA was in NY on Sept. 10th for a drill which positioned them to be able to quickly respond the next day, and this was confirmed by Rudy Guliani before the 9/11 Commmision in public hearings in NY. In adition, NORAD was running a wargame labled Vigilant Guardian the morning of 9/11 simulating comercial hijackings and involving the insertion of false radar blips on FAA and military radar. This was also confirmed before the 9/11 Commision by Gen. Eberhardt.

The gov'ts only position is to explain this as coincidence or claim Al-Queda knew of the drill. Neither is very plausible. Because of the way this info narrows done the list of suspects, it is of extreme relevance to solving the crime. And yet it is being intentionaly ignored by the media and the gov't, and censored on political chatboards. Why?

[Frederik]

16. What happened to

the white "mercenaries" of yesterday's Independent? Down the memory hole?