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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 09:53 PM
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The NYT story on Rove is online now:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/12/politics/12rove.html?ei=5094&en=722d41bfc0b4802a&hp=&ex=1121140800&adxnnl=1&partner=homepage&adxnnlx=1121136658-flXmFsZ6yowYtWYF7nO82g

July 12, 2005
At White House, a Day of Silence on Rove's Role in C.I.A. Leak
By RICHARD W. STEVENSON
WASHINGTON, July 11 - Nearly two years after stating that any administration official found to have been involved in leaking the name of an undercover C.I.A. officer would be fired, and assuring that Karl Rove and other senior aides to President Bush had nothing to do with the disclosure, the White House on Monday refused to answer any questions about new evidence of Mr. Rove's role in the matter.

With the White House silent, Democrats rushed in, demanding that the administration provide a full account of any involvement by Mr. Rove, one of the president's closest advisers, turning up the political heat in the case and leaving some Republicans worried about the possible effects on Mr. Bush's second-term agenda.

Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the Democratic leader, cited Mr. Bush's statements about firing anyone involved in the leak and said, "I trust they will follow through on this pledge."

Senator Charles E. Schumer, Democrat of New York, said Mr. Rove, given his stature and the principles involved in the case, could not hide behind legal advice not to comment.

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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 10:01 PM
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1. Well the last paragraph pisses me off
x(
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 10:06 PM
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2. No kidding.
Aren't there varying levels of cover.

Also, what about that CIA front company that was exposed due to all of this?
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 10:13 PM
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4. I am not sure where they dug up THAT piece of information. n/t
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 10:12 PM
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3. Victoria Toensing makes me
want to puke. Always has.

What a partisan hack.

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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 10:15 PM
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5. Oh... you got that right!
She's a total asshole
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 10:15 PM
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6. You mean this? It's a quote, not an assertion by the writer.
"She had a desk job in Langley," said Ms. Toensing, who also signed the supporting brief in the appeals court, referring to the C.I.A.'s headquarters. "When you want someone in deep cover, they don't go back and forth to Langley."

AFAIK, Toensing isn't really in a position to know much about Plame/Wilson. Her statement may be based on nothing, or not much.

Anyway, there may well have been other crimes like perjury & conspiracy for Fitz to play with here.

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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 10:17 PM
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7. Good points.
She could just be saying what she "knows" not what is the actual "truth" about Plame.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 10:20 PM
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8. If Toensing's mouth is moving, it's a good bet she's either lying
or making shit up.

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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 10:21 PM
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9. Lying and making shit up?
Isn't that one in the same? :-)
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 10:23 PM
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11. Ummm . . . it was lying OR making shit up
one is intentionally telling an untruth

the other is just saying what sounds good without regard to whether it is true or false

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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 10:28 PM
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13. Gotcha!
Thanks for clearing that up.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 10:21 PM
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10. You got it!
She's an insufferable ass.
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Cornjob Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 10:23 PM
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12. Great Photo of Klaus!
He was one of a kind!
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 10:30 PM
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15. Thanks!
I wish I had been here in NYC in the 80's to catch him when he was alive.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 10:30 PM
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16. Klaus Who?
^=<=== blonde :shrug:
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 10:35 PM
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18. Klaus Nomi.
There's a documentary out on DVD now about his life - The Nomi Song.

http://www.thenomisong.com/

He was a big avant garde artist here in NYC in the 80's. His thing was to do opera arias in these great outlandish costumes. David Bowie invited him to do backup on SNL back then. He was one of the first artists to die from AIDS. Originally from Germany, he made his home here in the Village and was a staple in the arts scene.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 10:45 PM
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19. interesting and that's weird I never heard of him
but love the photo
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 10:49 PM
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20. I hadn't heard of him until Friday.
The bf found it at the video store and brought it home. He's good like that. ;-) It's a GREAT look at the Punk/Art scene here in the 80's. I figured you would have heard of him, if anyone. That's how obscure he was, I suppose. I highly recommend the doc.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 10:28 PM
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14. Even if they fire him, he will continue from outside
and give advice to bush at the same time he's collecting as a lobbyist
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 10:31 PM
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17. That's the thing.
Even if he is fired, which I suspect may happen, he'll continue on in the same capacity. Working behind the scenes to steal votes and slander good candidates. It's a shame.
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