Local RW Talk Radio TRASHES Bush/Repukes! (Sheeple Awake!)

[johnaries]

I'm working a different schedule for a few weeks and have a long commute. This temp schedule has me driving in after the local station finishes NPR News so I can't get my morning NPR fix. I'm not in the mood for music (how sad is that, a former musician "not in the mood for music"?), so I switch over to the local Talk Radio station to hear what the latest RW spin is.

The usual "RushWannabe" is on vacation, although his usual crony is still there with this "fill-in" guy.

So what does this "fill-in" guy start talking about? (hold on to your hats, ladies and gentlemen....)

HOW MUCH BUSH AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAVE LET US DOWN!!!!!!

OK, he starts on this rant AGAINST Bush and the Repukes, and I expect the crony to challenge him.

NO! The crony agrees!!!!

Now it's time for the callers to start coming in. I expected some typical Freeper spin and rednecks to tear him a new one for daring to question the Exalted Leader.

THEY WERE AGREEING WITH HIM!!!!

Now, I'm sure these callers are filtered, so I'm convinced there were some callers who wanted to rip him a new one -

But, what was amazing that in a Red State he was getting call after call of people who used to march in lock-step: who are now expressing their own feelings that Bush and the Repukes let them down!

OK, that was exciting enough. Then, as I was leaving work, Michael Savage (The Savage Nation) was on the same radio station. This was only the second time I have ever heard this a**hole, and if you haven't heard him (I don't recommend it), he makes Mann Coulter look like a Camp Fire Girl.

But, HE WAS CRITICIZING BUSH! Of course, somehow he managed to blame Bush and Clinton at the same time (believe it or not), but he still criticized Bush AND THE ENTIRE REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED GOVERNMENT!

He echoed the comments of the local fill-in guy that "our government and our party has let us down".

THE SHEEPLE ARE WAKING UP!!!!!!!
:toast:

In closing, here are some things from the "fill-in" guy that may be helpful in framing issues for 2006 and 2008 - amazingly close to the direction and Dean and Kerry have recommended! The fill-in guy was pushing Fred Thompson for 2008 (he admitted Fred was a RINO, but he still defended him):

Illegal Immigration - this seemed to be the defining issue for the local fill-in guy and Savage. Although both of them obviously have problems with immigrants in general, both of them framed it in terms of National Security. This reminds me, personally, of Kerry's call to improve security at ports, borders, etc. Kerry and Dem's may not want to go as far as they would like to keep immigrants out, but at least Dem's point out that we need to do more to guard and protect borders and ports against potential terrorists. These RW'ers agree that Bush has done NOTHING.

Abortion - Abortion has been designated as a "right", and it's hard to take away rights (BTW, he trashed the Patriot Act). He was discussing this with a caller at the time, and I really couldn't believe my ears - he and the caller agreed that we shouldn't take away the right to have an abortion, but it should be regulated and partial birth abortion in particular should be banned (basically, what Dean and Kerry have been saying - as far as partial birth, the SCOTUS told us the only reason that it was un-Constitutional was because it had no provisions to protect the health of the mother. SCOTUS told Congress what to do to fix it, but the Repuke Congress gave up. You and I know why: this is the number 1 campaign issue for Repukes, and they're not about to give it up).

Well, that's about it, but Dean is definitely on the right track.

The time is ripe, the time is NOW! Many Repuke voters agree with us more than they do the Repuke party (as proved by the PIPA report in 2004). They just believed the spin.

THE SHEEPLE ARE WAKING UP!


:toast: :bounce: :party:


:toast:

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

1. Where was this so we can document for posterity?

[johnaries]

6. the local show was Phil Valentine on WTN, 99.7 Nashville

I'm Googling now to find some links, buy I'm not very hopeful for transcripts. I'll post transcripts links if I can find them.

For the afternoon national show, Google Mike Savage or Savage Nation. Fair warning, be prepared! This guy is pretty sick. Which was more amazing to me for his criticism of Bush!

[Fridays Child]

7. Here's a link to past shows. Maybe it'll be added soon.

http://philvalentine.com/pastshows.htm

[johnaries]

8. OK, this will make you sick.

the guy on vacation, Phil Valentine, here's his "mini-bio" on his website:

"Named one of Talkers Magazine's Heavy Hundred: The 100 Most Important Radio Talk Show Hosts in America

Selected as one of Nashville's Power 100 by Nashville Post magazine

Named Hero of the Taxpayers by Americans for Tax Reform for work on the Tennessee Income Tax issue

National television appearances on MSNBC, Hannity & Colmes, Fox & Friends and The O'Reilly Factor

Involved in numerous charities including Nashville Rescue Mission, Dream Makers, Easter Seals, UCP and WNPT-8"

WNPT-8 is the local Public TV station. I thought PBS was too "liberal" for these guys?

[skooooo]

2. Maybe they are waking up...

...but it makes me wonder what they'll gravitate toward next.

[ogsball]

3. When I hear the same theme on different shows

it makes me nervous and think that there is something going on. Particularly in the incestuous right wing radio circuit.

These people are not our friends and quite frankly they I wouldn't trust them one iota.

[kestrel91316]

4. Also have noticed this on KFI ......

in Los Angeles........Bill Handel is on in the AM and the past week or two he has started to be more down on Bush, and this AM he went ballistic ranting about Rove and Bush.......he appears to have turned! Maybe Clear Channel, who owns the station, has looked at the polls and made a policy decision re who their stations are to support??

[kestrel91316]

5. Handel's sidekicks also appear to be

going along with him on this. And they are some serious wingnuts.

[Geek_Girl]

9. What a bunch of whores

These wingnuts convince the masses that Bush is the chosen one then they turn on him when his numbers start to plummet in order to save their own ratings. When the ship starts the sink the rats scurry.

[johnaries]

14. Yes, they are whores no doubt.

Unfortunately, many of those whores are the "swing vote" that we need.

On the other hand, many of these people are good, honest people who are caught up so much in their day-to-day lives that they HOPE the media and government will tell them the truth.

They don't always have the time to verify everything they are told like most DU'ers.

They want to know the truth, but they don't who to trust. It's up to us to help them understand the truth.

Sad, but true.

[Geek_Girl]

16. I didn't mean the swing voters

I meant the RW Radio host. They peddle * on the masses and then when things start to go bad they're all about saving there own skins

[johnaries]

17. OH! Well, I can't argue there.

Hey, this is their income. If they don't keep their jobs, they don't pay the mortgage on their new $500,000 home.

So, in a way, I guess that's even better! If the rats are abandoning ship, that must mean it's REALLY SINKING!

Awww, too bad for B* and the Rethugs....

[O.M.B.inOhio]

10. Shielding their 2006 and 2008 candidates from association with Bush et al

so they can say, "I'm a New Republican! It's not MY corruption, not MY war, not MY debt. My speeches and voting record? Look, my Democratic challenger also voted for the Patriot Act, NAFTA, giving Bush authority to go to war, and she praised Bush for his leadership. It was the culture of the times after 9/11, and I want to support our troops. Now I'm going to clean up Washington..."

And after getting tons of money from Exxon and Dow and Monsanto and KBR and after suspicious elections these New Republicans win, they'll promise that by 2012 for sure they'll have verifiable ballots and hack-proof tabulators. And Bush and Rove will still refuse to believe that they have been puppets.

Or not, and the tide is turning. Feeling a little cynical tonight.

[Incitatus]

12. Feeling a little cynical tonight.

Yeah, the media and this administration will do that do a person.
These repugs only care about themselves. The iceberg has been hit and they know it. Now it's time to save their own asses.

[MisterP]

13. Oh my God I think you've got it!

[Quixote1818]

11. Savage hates Bush. Savage thinks he is smarter then everyone

on the planet. It doesn't surprise me that he was down on Bush because he does it all the time.

[johnaries]

15. This is only the second time I've heard Savage.

Actually, it sounds like he hates everyone. I'm guessing he hates himself and tries to blame everyone else.

So, if you say this isn't the first time he said he hates Bush I believe you. I just thought it interesting after an anti-Bush rant from rabid RW's in the a.m. I would also hear an anti-Bush rant in the PM.

From the 2 shows I've heard, I wouldn't doubt anything that anyone told me about Savage.

[Quixote1818]

20. Savage thinks he is too smart to be a Republican and too smart

to be a liberal. He fancies himself as a maverick and a loan ranger type. Too smart and too much of an individual thinker to be labeled anything. In reality he is such a radical conservative he is basically off the charts insane! I don't know if he hates Bush but he criticizes his Iraq policy all the time. He is smart enough to know when a policy is not working and so he becomes the smartest man on the planet constantly telling Bush how HE would have done things. His solutions are usually drooping the A- Bomb on every city in the Middle East and bringing the wrath of God down on all Muslims. I am surprised a Muslim has not taken him out yet.

[johnaries]

23. Yeah, I probably should have left Savage out.

Just from the 2 times I heard him him he's obviously a psycho. Both times he mentioned David Koresh (who thought himself the Messiah and had sex with underage girls because as the Messiah he was "entitled") and the Branch Davidian military compound as a valid "church". ("Janet Reno sent the ATF to use flame-throwers against a Christian Church in Waco....").

From that and other things I heard, he's obviously a MAJOR whacko. I just thought it intersting to note after the other comments from the a.m. RW show.

[johnaries]

18. I BELIEVE that more people are beginning to understand that

Bush's policies support CORPORATISM.

Corporatism QUOTES. "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini (from Encyclopedia Italiana, Giovanni Gentile, editor).

http://corporatism.tripod.com/corporatism.htm

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power"

http://en.thinkexist.com/quotation/fascism_should_more_appropriately_be_called/163211.html

Iraq: "Privatization," or "Crony Corporatism?"

http://hnn.us/blogs/comments/5883.html

Kurt Vonnegut strikes again! (even back in 1952! Vonnegut, Orwell, Huxley - what did we know back then that we've forgotten now?)
http://www.hollywoodinvestigator.com/2005/player.htm

[yowzayowzayowza]

19. Doing some research yesterday on..

that very quote and found a problem:

http://www.publiceye.org/fascist/corporatism.html


Mussolini on the Corporate State

by Chip Berlet

A Google(tm) search on January 12, 2005 turned up some 5,000 hits on the following quote:

"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini

It is generally attrributed to an article written by Mussolini in the 1932 Enciclopedia Italiana with the assistance of Giovanni Gentile, the editor.

The quote, however, does not appear in the Enciclopedia Italiana in the original Italian.

It does not appear in the official English translation of that article:

Benito Mussolini, 1935, "The Doctrine of Fascism," Firenze: Vallecchi Editore.

And it does not appear in the longer treatment of the subject by Mussolini in:

Benito Mussolini, 1935, "Fascism: Doctrine and Institutions," Rome: 'Ardita' Publishers.

Where the quote comes from remains a mystery, and while it is possible Mussolini said it someplace at some time, a number of researchers have been unable to find it after months of research.

(If you have a source for the quote based on an actual original document that you copy and mail us, please let us know, and you will receive a free 3-year subscription to the Public Eye magazine)

...more.

[Stirk]

21. "Let them down"? Bullshit! I'll tell you what's disappointed them:

The conservative movement was *always* about enriching the wealthy and undermining the poor and the middle class. They KNEW this.

They're angry now, because they're finally seeing that they are not actually wealthy. They're realizing that they are being stomped on. They expected to be doing the stomping.

[johnaries]

22. That's a good point! they were sold "The American Dream"

which told them that they could become rich if they did A., B., C., etc.

Now they're starting to realize that the American Dream is the American Illusion. Or, maybe the American Delusion.

Hey, you can still do better in America than in most other countries, but it's a combination of skill, work, and LUCK.

It's not just WORK alone, as some try to portray it.

[Raksha]

24. A very astute observation.

They expected to be doing all the stomping, but now they find THEY are being stomped on, right along with those they looked down on for so long as "the underclass" or whatever.

I'm glad they're finally waking up, but somehow I just can't bring myself to feel sorry for them.

[goforit]

25. What an inspiring report from tribal America....Put your rally caps on!!

Dean may have a point on uniting us after all.

If I were an "elected Republican"
I would be scared to death of my own party.

I don't think re-election will be in their vocabulary.

[Ms. K]

26. They should be scared.

As someone who has numerous Republican "sources", I can tell you honestly that they are flipping out, because Bush's policies are completely unsupportable. They're not popular, they're not getting the "tax breaks" they were led to believe were coming, they're not winning the war against abortion, they're not succeeding in converting all of America to the PROPER version of Christianity.

Well, there's a growing split amongst Republicans. The moderates are tired of the Christian Coalition running the Party, and they're also tired of being told that all Democrats are the devil. The Christian Coalition is power-hungry, and is intent on turning America into a theocracy, and they don't care who they alienate.

So...people are starting to wake up. People are getting tired of the same old rhetoric that only the Republican Party is the Party of the American Dream. They're finding out that the American Dream is really the American Nightmare, because that sort of lifestyle is out of most peoples' means.

And no, I'm doubting re-election is going to be as easy as they thought it would be. Too many moderate Republicans are abandoning ship. Swing voters are swinging back to the Left, because they are getting tired of being told they are unpatriotic because they're finally realizing that Bush got us into an unjust war, along with all the other acts of this godawful administration.

[Bill Bored]

27. Pete Peterson, (Nixon's Commerce Sec.) who blames

BOTH parties for the deficit and thinks Bush's tax cuts went to the WRONG people, was on Bob Brinker's Money Talk show on Sunday. This is a very mainstream investment advice show. Good track record too. Brinker is kind of an independent, but it was good to hear some criticism of Shrub on a mostly RW station.

Anyone who knows the market knows it's sucked on Bush's watch too! Most of the wingnuts haven't made a dime in the last 5 years! That's got to hurt.

Also, there was a Laura Ingram sound byte criticizing the "elites" in BOTH parties! She's just slightly to the left of Ann Coulter, so this was also good to hear, and it was a sound byte selected as an ad for her miserable show in NY!

Could be those poll numbers, which after all are used by the MSM to sell Preparation H, etc. as much as for purely political purposes, may be having an impact -- moreso than the actual (rigged!) election in fact! (There's a forum about that on DU BTW!) Look here:

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=203>

[Tennessee Gal]

28. Phil Valentine.......... sheesh...........

I listened to him ONCE!

Ten minutes was all I could stand. He lies as much or more than Limbaugh. In ten minutes I counted about 7 lies. And his sheeple lap it up..................

[johnaries]

29. Oh, I know! the first time I ever heard him was for about 10 minutes

and I counted 5 lies - the bad part was that the last 2 of them directly contradicted statements he made in the first 5 minutes! And you're right, the sheeple just lap it up. The jerk just finished a "book" (which is why he's on "vacation").

That's why I was so amazed by this turn-around...