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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 04:14 PM
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Is there a child of the 60's-70's here that remembers
the film we used to watch in school, "The Man Without a Country".
I vaguely remember the plot as being a man who committed treason against the US and was destined to live in international waters for the remainder of his life because no other country would allow him to land.
Am I remembering this correctly?
Or is this just my imagination hoping this will happen to Rove?:evilgrin:
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 04:16 PM
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1. Yeah I do remember it...
Saw it in Junior High I think!!!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070364/
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 04:19 PM
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7. Thanks!
:toast:
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 04:26 PM
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13. Here's the version I saw in Junior High in the 50's ...
Edited on Tue Jul-12-05 04:28 PM by TahitiNut
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0029204/


Only 21 minutes long, it was the right length for the A/V people and for discussion in class.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 04:16 PM
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2. It's a story - a classic
The Man without a Country

I SUPPOSE that very few casual readers of the “New York Herald” of August 13, 1863, observed, in an obscure corner, among the “Deaths,” the announcement,—
“NOLAN. Died, on board U. S. Corvette ‘Levant,’ Lat. 2°
11' S., Long. 131° W., on the 11th of May, PHILIP NOLAN.”
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I happened to observe it, because I was stranded at the old Mission House in Mackinaw, waiting for a Lake Superior steamer which did not choose to come, and I was devouring to the very stubble all the current literature I could get hold of, even down to the deaths and marriages in the “Herald.” My memory for names and people is good, and the reader will see, as he goes on, that I had reason enough to remember Philip Nolan. There are hundreds of readers who would have paused at that announcement, if the officer of the “Levant” who reported it had chosen to make it thus: “Died, May 11, THE MAN WITHOUT A COUNTRY.”

http://www.bartleby.com/310/6/1.html
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 04:19 PM
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5. awesome...thank you.
:toast:
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existentialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 04:18 PM
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3. Man without a country
I recall reading the book. I remember it having been presented as fat, but in fact the documentation behind it ever having happened was weak at best, but it made an interesting story.

I don't think that that will happen to Rove. But what will happen is amybodies' guess.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 04:18 PM
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4. remember it, too...
...along with repeated showings of "Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge...!"

yes, let's exile all the freedom/constitution-hating GOPpers to a kind of Wandering Dutchman purgatory, where they can think, at last, about how their selfishness, small-mindedness, and paucity of soul drove an entire country to the brink (?) of ruin...
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 04:22 PM
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9. Owl Creek!
written by Ambrose Bierce.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 05:05 PM
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15. yes!
n/t
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 04:19 PM
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6. Yup, I saw it, too, in school....
eom
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 04:22 PM
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8. I remember reading the book in school, as well.
Weird synchronicity.
There was just a thread that said "The answer is Oscar, what is the question.
I posted, "What is Mr. Levant's first name?"
The previous poster said was the name of the ship on which the man without a country was destined to live out his days.
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Geoff R. Casavant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 04:23 PM
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10. I remember it well . . .
Cliff Robertson and Beau Bridges. Based on a novel of the same name, by Edward Everett Hale.

It's not that no other country would accept him, however. The title character (fictional) was implicated in Aaron Burr's plot to carve an empire out of what would later become Texas. At his trial, he made the mistake of screaming to the court, "Damn the United States, I wish that I might never hear her name again." The Court granted his wish and he was confined to a Navy vessel for the rest of his life, forbidden to set foot on American soil.

Best scene in the movie -- Cliff has an atlas, and as each territory gets admitted to the Union he is forced to remove its page. Beau finally gets to tell him that he must remove Texas. This means he had been on that ship for over 40 years by that point.

I approach the movie far differently at age 37 than I did at age 10. Just recalling it gives me a sense of sadness.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 05:32 PM
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19. And there's a scene where his ship intercepts a slave ship, and
the Africans beg to be sent back to their homelands. For some reason, one of the Africans and Nolan share a common language, so he interprets their plea. (That's in the original story. I've never seen a film version).

The film version described above is different from what I remember of the original story. In the original, after Nolan dies, they find in his personal effects an old atlas where he has drawn in each new state, and they wonder how he managed to hear of them, since the ship's crew has kept all news of the U.S. away from him.
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greekspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 04:24 PM
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11. Sounds just like something BushCo would use for propeganda
DO AS WE SAY OR IT IS INTERNATIONAL WATERS FOR YOU! Now, terra terra terra. Iraq is terra. Terra is Iraq. Libruls hate our freedoms. Heathen People with turbans are ruining your life. AGREE OR THE BOAT COMMIE PINKO LIBRUL!
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evlbstrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 04:24 PM
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12. The documentary they made me watch in the Navy
about Count Spirochete just kinda shoved that outta my head.
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dbonds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 04:41 PM
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14. When I was young (early teens) I related to the main char.
It was the late 60s and I was wondering why I should be loyal to a country (remember all the vietnam stuff and assasinations were all the news then) just because I was born in it. I have always loved the land itself, it was the government I had questions about. I have since learned to love the potential our government has. I do not think we are always the good guys - lately I feel like we are the bad guys. But I do want to try to make it live up to it's potential.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 05:10 PM
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16. I remember it too
based on the story by Edward Everett Hale.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 05:11 PM
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17. I remember reading the book
in about 8th grade.
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Melynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 05:13 PM
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18. I read the book in high school
A good yarn. I don't think that will happen to Rove. We have jails for treason now.
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