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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 09:46 AM
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MSNBC: Are people born homosexual or is homosexuality a changeable conditi
What an excellent survey </sarcasm>
<<SNIP>>
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8393222/

Are people born homosexual or is homosexuality a changeable condition?

* 9753 responses

Born that way. 69%

They can change. 23%

The evidence is inconclusive. 9%

<</SNIP>>
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 09:51 AM
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1. How can you say that "they can change" if it's still not understood...
conclusively how some people are gay and others heterosexual?

God, this "well, geez, it's a choice" rush to judgement crap, along with the desire to form "ex-gay" groups designed to "cure" gay people...without conclusive evidence...gets on my nerves.

I think you can choose to act on your same-sex attractions...certainly. But you can't change same-sex attractions themselves.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 09:52 AM
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2. Gee, what a blatant use of homosexuality as a distraction!
Karl Rove soon to be indicted?

Don't look here! THERE ARE GAY PEOPLE YOU SHOULD BE HATING INSTEAD!
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 09:53 AM
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3. I think you are on to something...
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 10:06 AM
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9. Don't get that spun up about a throwaway internet poll...
IMO.
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orion9941 Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 09:56 AM
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Good Grief
Edited on Wed Jul-13-05 09:58 AM by orion9941
It still amazes me that this is an issue. Is it a choice...I mean come on! Yeah sure I really want to decide to be gay, that way I can have no rights what so ever. I like the idea of being gay and being fired because I'm gay, thrown out of my home because I'm gay, not being allowed to get married because I'm gay, being treated like a second class citizen because I'm gay, being beat-up because I'm gay (and the cops could care less because I'm gay), and be used as a scape goat by politicians who don't have the back bone to say that they are they real problem.

Yup, these are really spiffy and swell reason to choose to be gay. :sarcasm: With reasons like these to be gay I'm amazed more people arent choosing to participate...I mean it's just swell having no rights and no protection.
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 09:56 AM
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4. I am holding out for the toaster/alarm clock combo
:bounce:
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expatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 09:57 AM
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5. I HATE this question so much it drives me CRAZY
It's like in order to defend homosexuality as a lifestyle people have to believe that it's not a choice.

I personally don't think it's a "choice" but I think there is a of environmental conditioning, along with perhaps some genetic predispositioning, in which individuals develop homosexual preferences.

But even if it was PURELY a freewill choice, what the hell does it matter? If men CHOOSE to be intimate, sexual and domestic with other men does that make their decision to do so any less legitimate than if they are BORN homosexual?

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Throckmorton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 10:02 AM
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6. I don't think Sexuality is an absolute
The spectrum is wider than Gay or Straight.
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 10:02 AM
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7. I'm amazed that so many people think the evidence is conclusive.

91% of the populace appear to be confident one way or another, despite the fact that the answer most studies have come up with is "probably, sometimes, but not always".
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expatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 10:08 AM
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the bottom line, IMO: the debate on the causes of homosexuality
should be separated from the debate on whether homosexuals should be allotted equal rights and protections under the law.
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Danger Duck Donating Member (464 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 10:03 AM
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8. It's funny
that the majority, the vast majority, believe that homosexuality is a birth trait, and it in every state that puts gay marriage on the ballot, it gets voted down. It doesn't make sense. If people believe it is genetic, why would they care? And really, how many generations are we from people not caring at all? It's such a stupid issue, I'm amazed the Repubes get so much milage out of it.
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writes2000 Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 10:07 AM
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10. Ask Most Heterosexuals What Day They Decided to be Hetero
And they can't tell you.

Ask them if they would be willing to sleep with the same sex if their religion told them it was right. Most of them say "No way!"

For most, it's not a choice.
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WearyOne Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 10:08 AM
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11. who cares..just let 'em get hitched if they want to
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DJ MEW Donating Member (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 10:20 AM
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12. This is the same trick they used during the election.
This is just like the homosexual marriage discussion during the election. Another weapon of mass distraction. Although one poll on one online news site is hardly proof of that.

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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 10:46 AM
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13. Hi DJ MEW!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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BeeBee Donating Member (480 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 10:50 AM
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14. A "condition???????"
:banghead:
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 10:51 AM
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15. Here is what I ask my friends when they say crap like this:
I have a few friends that will say crap like this every once in awhile. This puts them in their place real fast:

So if homosexuals choose to be gay, at what point did you decide you wanted to be straight?

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meg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 10:56 AM
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16. Obviously
the best way to determine if people are born gay is to conduct a poll. The poll will be better if only heterosexuals respond. The poll will be best if only evangelical, fundamentalist heterosexuals respond.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 11:01 AM
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17. Well 69% Enlightenment Is Hopeful... But It's Sure Disappointing To See
how many IDIOTS there are in the other 31%.

Homosexuality is NOT a 'condition'... asshats!
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