OMG, Republicans are in a HUGE dilemma - Rove Runs the party!!!

[jsamuel]

I just realized, Rove runs the Republican party!

You can tell by the "talking points" memo that was sent out. It is meant to defend him. However, based on the evidence it would be better (politically) for them to distance themselves from him. But they don't, instead they follow the talking points that he made up himself.

They must be freaking out!

The only ones that have been repeating the talking points are like Newt and Mehlman... and other talking heads on the "news" channels.

[Walt Starr]

1. Fitz singlehandedly took down the IL GOP

and because Rove is the National GOP's brain (not just Bush's brain), Fitz is going to take down the entire GOP singlehandedly.

[lancdem]

6. Bingo

Walt Starr gets the prize!

[autorank]

8. Can you say some more about this guy. I'd value your opinion as

an IL/Chicago (I think) guy.

He seems like the real deal. He seems to thrive on competition. He seems to be both a "bulldog" and patient at the same time.l

Does he hold a grudge? I ask because he was burned when he came to DC a while ago to bust the Muslim charities (funding you know who). They shredded their records before his raid.

Do you think, regardless of affiliation, that he's independent enough, aggressive enough, and patriotic enough to pull down the house of cards?

Just askin'

[Jackpine Radical]

25. BTW--I think they shredded their records based on a tip

from none other than Judith Miller, NYT Mad Bomber & Reporter Extraordinaire.

[Walt Starr]

32. He started on the case and everybody was talking about how there

would be no criminal action.

He ended up indicting the governor of Illinois, a member of his own party. His actions brought down the state party and paved the way for Obama to be elected.

[wake.up.america]

9. Traitor? Does Rove want to take the government down?

How does one define traitor?

[jsamuel]

10. someone who would rather have a WMD go off in a US city than loose power

[whatever4]

18. For national security, no sacrifice is too great

And, no deaths to costly.

Oh yes, they would kill to stay in power. They believe they are ordained. They believe they must create a nation, and to defend their creation, deaths of innocents is not too high a price.

Just like Pearl Harbor. Civilian deaths are...no big deal, as long as it remains a secret, a "national security secret"

In the end, in building their empire, these acts are seen as, believe it or not, in the interest of the greater good. They'll kill a few of us, to take care of all of us.

National security rides easily over all our rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. And it always will, and the wars will never end. That's the plan.

What I don't get is how so many people don't see it. It's not like they haven't "allowed it to happen" before.

[electropop]

22. If Rove stays in power...

he WILL take the government down.

[Walt Starr]

28. Rove may well have committed treason

Only time and the grand jury will tell.

[smoogatz]

34. Rove thinks he IS the government

and therefore anyone who crosses him is "fair game." Even a valuable CIA operative who volunteered to risk her life for her country. The sheer arrogance of these assholes is unbelievable.

[Inland]

26. Well, the IL GOP fell down with minimal pushing.

Ryan was indicted after he left office.

I guess the analogy still holds: the lies, crimes and incompetence running through the adminstration makes it weak long before the prosecution comes to fruition.

[Walt Starr]

30. Ryan did not run for re-election

because he was going to be indicted.

The entire IL GOP suffered the consequences of the licenses for bribes scandal.

[Hamlette]

31. What do you mean Fitz brought down the IL GOP?

I haven't heard much about him and don't remember hearing about that.

One thing that is VERY different about this investigation, no leaks. Remember Starr? We knew everything the GJ was doing, who it was calling, what it was asking, what "crimes" it was investigating. I remember reading his report and thinking "nothing new here, I knew all this."

It seems, by what little we have seen, (Cooper, Miller and the court orders, much of them redacted) that there is a game afoot. Until the last couple of weeks I thought the GJ would do nothing. If it is uncovering good stuff I'm surprised Bush hasn't made a move to get rid of Fitz. (Remember Cox and the first Clinton prosecutor whoes name escapes me right now.)

[Walt Starr]

35. There was a scandal that Fitz investigated

The state government was giving away truck driver licenses to unqualified drivers in return for bribes from the companies wanting the licensed drivers. One unqualified driver who received a license this way ended up killing an entire family when he wrecked into them and their family vehicle went up in flames.

An entire family burned alive over money given to state officials to license unqualified truck drivers.

Fitz was put on the case. George Ryan, the governor at the time, chose not to run for re-election. Just after he left office, he was indicted.

The Illinois GOP has not been the same since as every Republican is tainted with the smell of the family burned alive.

[IndyOp]

39. Perhaps it is strongly positive that there have been no leaks

in this investigation. The purpose is to indict - not to play politics - so no need for leaks. Quiet and effective - that would be great.

[autorank]

2. (((((((((LOL))))))))))))

No kidding. Who will they get, Ken Melhman, the TX chick, maybe Rush could load up and take over. What a great point. Thanks, now I'll be sure to enjoy the rest of my fine day!

[JRob]

3. like removing the head from the body...

[lateo]

4. That is why they are pulling no punches.

The corner they have backed themselves into is getting smaller and smaller.

[whatever4]

11. And maybe, just maybe...

If his power was pervasive enough, and this scandal big enough, it sounds just a little bit less crazy to entertain the notion the London bombings could maybe, possibly, have any link to

to the crazy mf's running this most powerful, corrupt nation earth

Might not be true

But it's a tad less crazy sounding, as compared to a senior adviser outing a CIA agent, and then the whole friggin admin defending the action.

Who's crazy?

THEM fuckers are crazy. That's who.

[lateo]

17. I think anything is possible with these people.

[whatever4]

5. And remember, he's only comfortable behind the scene

He hates the spotlight. Like the most tender, shy wall flower. He hates the reporters, hates the pictures, it messes with his mind.

Keep talking about him!!! Mess up him, you mess them all up.

[BuelahWitch]

15. Cockroaches hate the light too

As do vampires and poisonous ground moles...

[dogday]

7. I am sure he will get DeLay's support

whatever that is worth these days....

[Pirate Smile]

12. Exactly! The Republicans are scared to go against him or he

will slime and smear them.

By the way, has John McCain said a peep about this? I sure haven't heard it.

I posted this yesterday and it wasn't exactly appreciated but I think it is true:

"Washington, D.C.: What odds would you give at this point that this will lead to Rove's firing?

Dana Milbank: My predictions are often comically off, but here goes: This is Karl Rove's town, and the rest of us -- President Bush included -- are just living in it. "

The Republicans wont be shamed into cutting Rove loose. He knows where all the bodies are buried because HE put them there.

Fitzgerald is going to have to take care of Rove.

Hopefully, we can use the scandal to emphasize the "culture of corruption" the Republicans live by.

We need to keep turning the heat up. I'd love to be proven wrong but I'd prefer to see Rove "frog-marched out of the White House" before Bush can fire him.

edit to add - Rove will be fired if Rove decides he needs to be fired - but that doesn't mean we stop screaming for Bush to fire him.

[AmBlue]

24. I think Ashcroft chose to step out

of the way because he saw the shit coming and the shit was dark and deep.

[catzies]

36. Ari Fleischer, too. Subpoenaing the Air Force One records will show

he's involved in L'Affaire Plame too.

[gordianot]

37. As much as I despise John Ashcroft, I found his illness very timely.

He recovered and now notice he has disappeared from sight and the scandal. He would have made a great talking head for Fox like Newt. Ol John knew what was coming when he bowed out of the investigation and almost died (avoiding questions when the heat was first being felt).

[progressoid]

33. Bloomberg says McCain and Frist declined to comment when asked

yesterday... "McCain, of Arizona, and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist of Tennessee declined to comment when asked about Rove yesterday. Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, the No. 3 Republican in the Senate, said he continued to support the presidential adviser."

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=aPAumGLz.W9M&refer=top_world_news

I think a lot of them want to avoid getting shit on their shoes.

Would be interesting to know what McCain is thinking considering what Rove did to him.

[Field Of Dreams]

13. I wonder what former Gore campaign manager Donna Brasil

thinks of Rover now? I remember hearing they were pretty chummy and seen dining out together sometimes. Even in Washington's finest eateries, I don't think I could keep food in my stomach seated at the same table as KKKarl. :puke:

[rucky]

19. ....keep your enemies closer. n/t

[pgh_dem]

38. re-read the DNC Ohio investigation if you think Donna B is Rove's enemy

She's carrying Rove's whitewash bucket for him.

[htuttle]

14. I realized that this morning when Laura Bush endorsed Rove

They are OWN3D!

[StClone]

16. Nominated for Greatest

I voted, now all the post needs is a little editing (sp) jsamuel. You welcome.

[jsamuel]

21. Thanks

I changed the sp :P

:freak:

[PassingFair]

20. You can tell by the truly bizarre *hit coming from the mouths of the

...talking heads on FAUX, that their propaganda factory has temporarily shut down due to a wrench in the machinery. They are saying some absolutely WEIRD shit, vis a vis, bombing Paris, etc.

Rove must be distracted by something else........

[smoogatz]

29. ANYTHING to draw attention away

from the ensuing trainwreck. I'll bet this goes further than Rove, and THAT's why they're all in a twitter. I'll bet it goes straight to Cheney--the REAL head of the Republican party. Cheney's the Godfather, Rove's the Consigliare.

If/when they REALLY get scared, look for the slime machine to go after Fitzgerald.

[Inland]

23. They don't realize what tools they are, that rove would sacrifice them all

true bushi believers think that Bush and Rove are all lying to the OTHER guy and manipulating the OTHER guy. They are so naive, they don't realize that Rove's interests diverge from their interests, even without bringing in the whole fact Rove is breaching our national security.

[oxbow]

27. They're getting desperate, and making mistakes because of it

all the more reason to keep hammering em. Keep those LTTE's coming. Call your reps. Tell all your friends who are sick of this mess to do something (its a great way to beat the Bush blues). We still have people power behind us, so let's fight, dammit!

[kimpossible]

40. Exactly

That's why the press corps and reporters are finally not afraid to stand up and actually act like journalists. The top attack dog who has been pushing them around for years isn't so intimidating now that he's going DOWN!

[hnsez]

41. OMG, Republicans are in a HUGE dilemma - Rove Ruins the party!!!

I fixed the title for you!!!