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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 04:25 PM
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Randi Rhodes thinks we will see another Saturday Night Massacre
Edited on Wed Jul-13-05 04:28 PM by steve2470
FWIW. Just an FYI. :-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Massacre


"Saturday Night Massacre" (October 20, 1973) was the term given by political commentators to U.S. President Richard Nixon's executive dismissal of independent special prosecutor Archibald Cox, and the forced resignations of Attorney General Elliot Richardson and Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus during the controversial and drawn-out Watergate scandal.

Cox, who was appointed by Congress to investigate the events surrounding the Watergate break-in of June 17, 1972, had earlier issued a subpoena to President Nixon, asking for copies of taped conversations which Nixon had made in the Oval Office as evidence. Nixon initially refused to comply with the subpoena, but on October 19, 1973, he offered what was later known as the Stennis Compromise – asking a Senator to review and summarize the tapes for the special prosecutor's office.

Cox refused the compromise that same evening, and it was believed that there would be a short rest in the legal maneuvering while government offices were closed for the weekend. However, President Nixon acted to dismiss Cox from his office the next night – a Saturday. He contacted Attorney General Richardson and ordered him to fire the special prosecutor. Richardson refused, and instead resigned in protest. Nixon then ordered Deputy Attorney General Ruckelshaus to fire Cox; he, too, refused and resigned.

Nixon then contacted the Solicitor General, Robert Bork, and ordered him as acting head of the Justice Department to fire Cox. Richardson and Ruckelshaus had both personally assured the congressional committee overseeing the special prosecutor investigation that they would not interfere – Bork had made no such assurance to the committee. Bork considered resigning as well, but was persuaded by Richardson that this would leave the Department in chaos. Bork then complied with Nixon's order and fired Cox.

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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 04:26 PM
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1. What's a Sat. Night Massacre?

What does that mean?
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 04:26 PM
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3. Nixon had Bork fire the Special Prosecutor in Watergate nt
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 04:27 PM
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5. self deleted dupe
Edited on Wed Jul-13-05 04:27 PM by eleny
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montanacowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 04:28 PM
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6. You guys must be youngsters
happened when Nixon tried to fire the special prosecutor and the AG would not do it.....

would * try to fire Fitzgerald? well, they are capable of anything
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Beaver Tail Donating Member (903 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 04:35 PM
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16. A Political Massacre
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 04:44 PM
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22. The Saturday Night Massacre
Edited on Wed Jul-13-05 04:46 PM by Jack Rabbit
Saturday evening, October 20, 1973.

Nixon wanted the special prosecutor, Archibald Cox, fired for pressing his subpoenas of the White House Tapes. Nixon ordered his Attorney General, Elliot Richardson, to fire Cox. Richardson immediately resigned.

Nixon then ordered the deputy Attorney General, William Ruckelshaus, to fire Cox. When Ruckelshaus refused, Nixon demanded his resignation.

Nixon then ordered the solicitor general, Robert Bork, to fire Cox. Bork complied, some say reluctantly.

At that time, this was a three-weekend (I believe observing Veterans' Day, but don't quote me on that) that has since been moved. When Congress reconvened on Tuesday the 23rd, impeachment resolutions were introduced by several members of the House.
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 04:26 PM
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2. Saturday Night Massacre?
Sorry I seem to be clueless.
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mindfulNJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 04:30 PM
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8. Lotsa younguns in the house...
When Nixon fired the special Watergate prosecuter, along with the Attorney General and Dep.Attorney General it was known as the "Saturday Night Massacre."


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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 04:38 PM
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19. Oh, THAT massacre.
Unfortunately I ain't no youngun. Thanks though.

:)
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 04:27 PM
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4. I think she's right
And I hope it happens, because it'll be even more of a disaster for W than it was for Nixon IMO.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 04:29 PM
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7. Last week, our own
JackPine Radical brought this up. He did again today. It has to be considered a possibility. But, if Bush does, the House will start impeachment hearings within 13 weeks.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 04:31 PM
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9. Yup, a 21st century Saturday Night Massacre will bne the end of Bushco
They all go down if that happens.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 04:33 PM
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13. I don't see how
they could survive that tactic. I will say it was perhaps the most threatening move Nixon made against Constitutional government. And I think this administration is a thoussand times worse. But they would lose if they tried that move.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 04:39 PM
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20. Their only hope is to completely discredit fitzgerald, which cannot happen
Fitzgerald was praised by them when he came in.

He is untouchable.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 04:39 PM
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21. No way!
With Republicans in charge of the House -- not to mention the Senate -- this is just an exercise in fantasy. The Republicans and Democrats in Congress don't have the tenacity necessary to take action. The Republicans would follow the direction of their dear leader, Bush, while Democrats prepped the American people and their Constitution for the indignities of complete prostration. The rape of our nation, our long national nightmare, is at a feverish pitch, but shall only get worst under this gang of thugs, thieves, and traitors. Nothing will come of this -- even if Bush moves to repeat history. He has advantages Nixon simply did not have.
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 04:32 PM
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10. ... And Rush Limpblow says all is under control.
Both have been wrong ... a lot.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 04:32 PM
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11. Wishful thinking...even numbnuts Bush* understands
the blowback on that hairbrained idea. On second thought, I hope he doesn't and tries it!!!. :evilgrin:
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 04:32 PM
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12. I'm more worried about another a.m. big city terror attack
that conveniently takes everyone's mind of "things."
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 04:34 PM
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14. Yup ...
Things will likely get messy ... if it gets too hot.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 04:35 PM
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15. I have to wonder if they would be that bold...
I don't think that this issue is going to result in anything significant happening to the Bush administration. These guys have managed to get away with everything so far, and even when we seem to have concrete proof they slip through our grasp. The only way this story is going to continue forward is if congressional Democrats raise a great big stink over it. I don't know if Bush would be that bold, but I do think that he could get away with it given the nature of the media and the make-up of Congress.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 04:35 PM
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17. If they do that, I hope like hell it will be the finale,...
,...and that we extract these insane mo-fos!!!
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 04:38 PM
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18. I worry about a more literal massacre
Fitzgerald better stay out of small planes.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 06:20 PM
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23. I'm afraid we can't count on Alberto Gonzales, the deviser of the Bush
Edited on Wed Jul-13-05 06:21 PM by Peace Patriot
legal strategy for torturing prisoners, to stand on principle and resign if Bush (or the real president) orders him to fire the special prosecutor. After they got rid of Nixon A.G. John Mitchell, who was filthy with Watergate, there were some principled people put in place at the Justice Dept.--because Nixon's gig was bleeding badly--Richardson, Ruckelshaus and Cox.

Alberto Gonzales is not like them. He is a Bush Cartel toady--and his fingers are particularly dirty with torture (Guantanamo) and death (capitol punishment Bush-style). I can't imagine anything he would balk at, even treason.

On the other hand, he or any of them might well push some women and children into the icy waters of the North Atlantic, to get themselves a seat on a Titanic life boat, if you know what I mean.

As for Bush's "pod people" (brainless repeaters of Rove "talking points") in Congress, what can I say? Back in the Watergate days, we had some Republicans in Congress who actually believed in lawful government, and thought for themselves. Sad to think of it. (Did you know that Howard Baker is now Bush's ambassador to Japan? I wonder what he's thinking over there in his kimono, sipping his saki.)

But, like I said, these rotten cowards who sent 20 year olds into hell to fight for their huge tax cuts, their theft of billions of taxpayer dollars, their war profiteering, their global corporate piracy, and their filthy, bloody hunger for power, will switch allegiance in a moment, to save their own skins. We have that going for us--as to impeachment--the empty viciousness, the utter hypocrisy, and the naked greed, of the majority in Congress.

Same goes for other Bushites. I don't see anything in them that could hold them together. They remind me of playground bullies--with the tenuous power that thugs have. Their power is not grounded in conviction, loyalty or principle--though the news monopolies give them a big trumpet with which to bray about their "morality." They're really just opportunists, most of them; willing to beat up on anybody (gays, blacks, Arabs, women, the French) whenever their gang leaders nod their heads. And I can see them sniveling, and whining, and pointing fingers, and just crumbling, in the face of honest people--people with inner strength--telling the truth.

They also--the toadies and powermongers in the White House, and their "pod people" in Congress--have very little real support among Americans. We've had three illegitimate elections in a row. 2000, 2002, and 2004. The accumulated lack of "consent of the governed" is becoming a mighty tide, I think, rumbling beneath the surface. People can hardly believe their ears, what-all's coming out of DC these days--privatizing Social Security ("all the better to loot your safety net, my dear!"), hurting the little people in bankruptcies, the medical prescription farce, a trillion dollar deficit, higher and higher gas prices, and threatening more war. The discontent is very, very serious. And even the news monopolies are seeing it--in polls spanning the last year--though they are not reporting on it much.

60% to 70% of the American people disapprove of every major Bush policy, foreign and domestic--not to mention Bush himself now sunk to about 40% (and hovering at 50% or less for nearly two years straight). (These numbers are just dismal and unprecedented for a "war president" who supposedly got a "mandate" in '04.)

Something else they rarely report on. Nearly 60% of Americans opposed the Iraq war BEFORE the invasion. (I will never forget that stat.) And after the initial fighting was over (when US troops were at greatest risk), that number went right back up to nearly 60%, where it stayed throughout the election. And I think it's about 80% today. This is an extremely unpopular war, and, when you combine it with all else, you have to figure Republicans in Congress are getting a bit nervous (even if they do have Diebold on their side!).

So, WHO KNOWS? But I think it's good to remember--even though the circumstances are different--that, in 1973, when Nixon had been re-elected, and the Watergate burglary seemed long forgotten as a minor news story in the back pages of the WaPo, there didn't seem a chance in hell that he would be gone the FOLLOWING YEAR. Not a chance!

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The answer to the stink in Washington DC is restoring our right to vote, by throwing Bushite electronic voting machine companies--Diebold, ES&S and brethren--out of the election business NOW--or, at the least, achieving some measure of election transparency with paper ballot backups, no secret programming code and strict auditing. The only place where we can get that done is in state/local jurisdictions, where the authority over election systems still resides, and where ordinary people still have some say. See the DU Forum "2004 Election Results and Discussion" for information and action ideas:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=203http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=203
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