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Modem Butterfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 06:50 PM
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Mother of lesbian who committed suicide: "I committed a hate crime"
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002371684_gayconference10m.html

The mother of a 29-year-old lesbian who committed suicide nearly a decade ago told a gathering of gays and their friends and family members yesterday that her daughter died because of the "untruths taught by the church."

A few of the 75 of so people gathered at Newport Presbyterian Church in Bellevue wiped away tears as Mary Lou Wallner talked about Anna's death in 1997, about the guilt she felt and how the circumstances have changed her life.

Wallner, who lives just outside Little Rock, Ark., explained she was raised in a conservative Christian home, and that was how she had raised her daughter. When Anna came out as a lesbian in 1988, Wallner was not prepared to accept it.

"I committed a hate crime," she said, recalling a comment she once made. "I didn't love my daughter unconditionally."
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 06:56 PM
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1. Sobering
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 06:57 PM
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2. Powerful read
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Modem Butterfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 06:59 PM
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3. This article is a peek into the dark heart of homophobia
Edited on Wed Jul-13-05 07:18 PM by Modem Butterfly
What other power on earth could make a mother turn her back on her own child?

Edited for spelling.

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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 07:16 PM
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8. That's "peek" into the dark heart --- (changes its meaning a bit...)
Edited on Wed Jul-13-05 07:22 PM by Radio_Lady
Confused me.

Not trying to be a spelling teacher...

One of my best friends, a lesbian woman in a committed relationship for years, had a young half-brother, who was gay. I remember him as a five or six year old, tow-headed child.

I don't know all the details, but in his late teens or early 20s, he jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco.

I've always wondered why, but never asked. My friend's mother bore her out of wedlock, then married another man and passed him off as her father, until she found out differently when she was in her teens. (The son -- actually there were two sons -- were a product of the mother and the stepfather, who was a wonderful, intelligent, sweet man. Both are deceased now.)

Such family secrets...
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Modem Butterfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 07:19 PM
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9. I guess I shouldn't post while crying.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 07:23 PM
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10. Oh, so sorry...
Edited on Wed Jul-13-05 07:23 PM by Radio_Lady
{{drying your tears}}
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Modem Butterfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 07:26 PM
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12. s'allright
This story just really got to me.
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 08:24 PM
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18. "What other power...could make a mother turn her back on her own child?"
Wow.

That is so so true. :(
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Merope215 Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 07:10 PM
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4. Wow
Very sad article. Interesting and powerful read - thanks for posting.
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 07:11 PM
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5. That's amazing
thanks for posting that.
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 07:13 PM
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6. What a heart-breaking story...
I hope the mother has forgiven herself, and her daughter both for being a lesbian and for killing herself. I hope that she has found some peace and forgiveness.



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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 07:14 PM
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7. A heartbreaking and profound article
I'm recommending.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 07:23 PM
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11. How sad
This is why I think that people who are religious need to take everything with gay people in a different attitude and direction instead of spewing out hate and following people like Fred Phelps. We don't have to like how someone lives but we shouldn't go out and be evil towards them either. That doesn't do anybody any good.
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 08:23 PM
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17. I think you're right
If someone lives there life differently from the way we do, don't criticize them. You know, whatever we project into this world, we do just that, Werther it be hate, greed, envy, or compassion for one another, we bring it in to the world, not only into our own reality but into the lives of everyone, even those who we love. you as an individual have so much power while here on this earth, but that truth has been hidden from you. I'm here to tell you now, begin your world as you would have it. forget the past,we start every new day when we awake.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 07:29 PM
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13. SoulForce calls it "spiritual violence."
I think that sounds about right. :cry:
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 08:06 PM
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14. Here's a link to the mother's website
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 08:18 PM
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16. Very moving and powerful
This is a woman who will bring so much good to the world through her own story.
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Modem Butterfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 08:30 PM
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19. Absolutely heartbreaking
"I keep wondering what would have happened if, after receiving her letter, I had grabbed my toothbrush, credit card and car keys, driven the 550 miles to where she was living and told her that I loved her no matter what. I didn't do that. The worst part is that I'll never be able to do that. "
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puddycat Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 08:13 PM
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15. I was in tears before I even finished this heartbreaking story
something about this Mom's love for her daughter and
her self-blame. It takes a special person to admit they
were wrong, but I think she is being too hard on herself.
Many young people take their own lives, and many have
unconditional love. One cannot fathom what is in the human
heart unless its your own, and even then its often an enigma.
I wish that woman peace, but fear she will never find it.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 08:30 PM
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20. What I would say to this woman
I was once where your daugher was when she decided to take her life. As sad as what she did is, and as tragic as your delay in accepting her as she was turned out to be, you aren't responsible for her taking her life. No one person or thing takes people to the place where ending their life seems the only way out. The same religious tradition that made it so difficult for you to accept your daughter made it difficult for her to accept herself. She would be proud of you now and would want you to forgive yourself today for what you can't change about yesterday. I hope you can.
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Obamarama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 08:59 PM
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21. I disagree with you....
Edited on Wed Jul-13-05 08:59 PM by KzooDem
Yes, she is to blame to some degree. Religious tradition or no religious tradition, learning that your child is gay should not motivate any parent to withdrawl unconditional love.

I, too, was in the same situation. Cut off financially and emotionally in the midst of my freshman year in college for the egregious sin of being gay. While I worked hard to rebuild the relationship, it made little difference. It wasn't until two days before my father died, on his deathbed, that he apologized. I accepted his apology, but to this day I am still bitterly angry with him. I loved him because he was my dad, and only out of some twisted sense of familial duty. The poor son of a bitch went to his grave with his youngest son intensely disliking him.

I never got depressed enough to consider suicide, but I can understand how some poor souls could. I'm sorry...as I have walked these steps myself, I'm not about to let her off the hook quite as easily as are you. I'm just thankful she has seen the light. A lot of fucking good that does her dead daughter.

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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 09:02 PM
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22. My point was
that even those with supportive, or in my case it was unknowing, parents also can lose kids to suicide. No one can know, with any degree of certainty, barring an note, just why she did it.
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Obamarama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 09:06 PM
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23. You make a good point.....
Edited on Wed Jul-13-05 09:06 PM by KzooDem
But I somehow have to believe that this poor girl would have been far less likely to off herself if her mother hadn't pushed her in that general direction by her actions, or lack thereof.

Just to clarify, I wasn't going off on YOU in my previous post! :-) This thread just dredged up some deep emotions relative to my experience.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 09:13 PM
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24. As I said in my post
Edited on Wed Jul-13-05 09:15 PM by dsc
I have been there too so this is also emotional to me. Even though my worst fears didn't materialize with regards to my mother she wasn't totally OK either. Coming out on the other side is probably the hardest thing any gay person does in his entire life. On edit I am glad your dad realized his mistake before it was too late. I also was able to deal with my mom while she was here instead of having to wait for the beyond.
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Obamarama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 09:16 PM
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26. This is one club where membership does NOT have its privelages...
Edited on Wed Jul-13-05 09:18 PM by KzooDem
Glad we both made it through the initiation, though! :-)

(By "club" I didn't mean gay/lesbian in general...I meant to whole, dramatic, disowned by parents thing)
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 09:25 PM
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27. To be fair I was never totally disowned
like you were. I just feared it bigtime and in the case of my mom experienced a light version of it. It is tough to risk or lose the love of your parents.
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Obamarama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 09:29 PM
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29. Thankfully my mom eventually came around.
Dad was a different story. Oh well, I keep trying to remind myself that was HIS problem.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 09:30 PM
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30. It was his problem
but sadly it still ends up being our problem too. Like it or not, we end up dealing with the crap society piles upon us no matter how unfairly we have been targetted.
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Modem Butterfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 09:15 PM
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25. I imagine she will spend the rest of her life trying to find a way...
...to forgive herself.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 09:29 PM
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28. yeah she probably will
It is so harsh to see religion used like this.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 12:42 AM
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31. She learned a valuable lesson
It is sad that she learned it to late to save her daughter, but perhaps she can save others just by having her story out there.
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Modem Butterfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:53 AM
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32. Well said.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:58 AM
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33. I Feel For The Mother's Loss... But She's Distorting And Cheapening
... the true meaning of what a HATE CRIME really is. If people start to believe or associate ACTUAL hate crimes with being on par of "...not loving (one's) daughter unconditionally..." then we start to lose ground.

I appreciate her newfound support for our community, and I hope that she finds her own peace... but publicly flogging herself for an imagined "crime"--and in the process, lessening the impact and import of ACTUAL crimes--isn't helping.

-- Allen
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 12:18 PM
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34. So what is she doing about it? Crying won't solve anything. Condemn
any religion that advocates any person is a less than loved person by God if they are not exactly like them. How any parent could forsake their own flesh and blood because of someone elses guilt is beyond me. Think for yourself people.
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Modem Butterfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 12:29 PM
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35. She started a ministry devoted to educating Xian families of gay people
She started a ministry devoted to educating the families of gay and lesbian people. She also puts herself and her (very painful) story out there so that people can see just how destructive homophobia is. Now, I'm not a Xian and I'm not a gay person, but it seems to me that she's doing something to encourage the families of gays and lesbians to accept their loved ones as they are.
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 12:47 PM
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36. Great! Nice to hear a story like that. Thanks butterfly
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