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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 08:44 PM
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WTF??? Hill article claiming DSM needed to be "sold" better to the senate.
Edited on Wed Jul-13-05 08:50 PM by blm
The investigation into DSM was SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN ANYWAY as part of the second phase of the Senate Intel Committee investigation. Kerry was demanding that they FINISH THEIR JOBS and especially because the DSM shed a new light on the entire subject of the White House's involvement in the shaping of the intel and how it was used.

This crap article is trying to turn it all into politics. What kind of senator would have to be "sold" into FINISHING THEIR JOB or to be "sold" on the significance of the DSM?


What kind of media blames the "base" for being concerned about DSM when it hasn't been given much attention by the corporate mainstream media? Blame the corporate media, jerks.

http://www.thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/071405/kerry.html


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But while Kerry has had the support of Clinton and many other Democrats on the Rove issue, his colleagues have left him out on a limb as he has championed other causes of the liberal wing of the party.

Shortly before the recess, Kerry wrote to Sens. Pat Roberts (R-Kan.) and Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.), the chairman and vice chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, urging the committee to complete its investigation related to the infamous Downing Street memo, which liberal critics claim as proof that Bush had predetermined his decision to invade Iraq.

But Kerry could only garner signatures from nine colleagues, despite circulating the letter to the entire Democratic caucus.

Kerry urged Roberts and Rockefeller to complete “phase two” of the committee’s probe on prewar intelligence. Roberts and Rockefeller had agreed to break the investigation into two parts: phase one, which focused on the intelligence community’s information gathering, and phase two, which is to target the Bush administration’s use of intelligence and the pressure the administration may have exerted on analysts.

As a concession to Republicans, Rockefeller agreed to conduct the more politically sensitive second phase after last year’s election.

Citing the Downing Street memo, Kerry exhorted his colleagues not to let the second half of the probe languish.

“The committee’s efforts have taken on renewed urgency, given recent revelations in the United Kingdom regarding the apparent minutes of a July 23, 2002, meeting between Prime Minister Tony Blair and his senior national security advisors,” Kerry wrote. “These minutes — known as the ‘Downing Street Memo’ — raise troubling questions about the use of intelligence by American policy makers.”

Only one member of the Intelligence Committee, Sen. Jon Corzine (D), who is running for governor in blue-state New Jersey, signed on to the letter. It received no mainstream-media attention, but several liberal blogs, such as Talking Points Memo and Rawstory.com, wrote about Kerry’s effort.
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Redneck Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 08:53 PM
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1. What kind of senator would have to be "sold" into FINISHING THEIR JOB...
...or to be "sold" on the significance of the DSM?

Naive much? Sorry to be so harsh, but you answered your own question at the end of your post.

Sen. Jon Corzine (D), who is running for governor in blue-state New Jersey, signed on to the letter. It received no mainstream-media attention...

What's the upside for a Senator up for re-election to raise a stink about this? Other than DU and the like no one much is following this. Sad, unfair, reprehensible, call it what you like but no election is going to swing on the DSM.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 09:16 PM
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3. The letter urged a FINISH to the job that was started and only HALF over.
If there was anyone playing politics it's those who decided that they can ignore the rest of the investigation and that BECAUSE the DSM wasn't getting the full coverage it deserved, they could pooh-pooh its import and the import of further investigation.

Instead the article spun it against those SEEKING the continuation of the investigation as the ones playing politics.
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 09:09 PM
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2. Bought, Paid For, Sold
:shrug:
Everything is so clear........ except to the people who you voted for.
The Emperor has no clothes
The people has no voice
The MSM sold their soul

America already turn a corner, pass the tipping pint, fallen into utter ruin. :boring: :boring: :boring: Knock knock ok all still :boring:


:spank: x(

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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 09:32 PM
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4. How can important documents such as these be viewed as old news?
All Kerry asked was that they take these DSM into consideration and push forward with phase two of the probe. This should be viewed as their sworn obligation to do so. The American people deserve a fair assessment of what lead up to this war. I can't believe that other senators viewed Kerry's letter as to far left or too liberal. What is wrong with requesting a inquiry into the truth. This shouldn't even of had to be presented for signatures. The entire senate body should have been lined up requesting additional inquiry into this war. Our government wasn't planning a party in Iraq after all. This is just another junk piece attacking the people seeking answers on behalf of the American people. Making a decision to go to war transcends politics, and political parties, so should matters leading up to and during war.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 09:59 PM
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6. Those SEEKING the investigation be completed are spun into political
gainseekers when it's the ones seeking to AVOID further investigation who are the ones actually being the calculators. They calculated that the media won't cover DSM in its effort to protect Bush, so they have nothing to fear.
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bmcatt Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 09:58 PM
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5. Semi-related reply (from my R Congresscritter)
Hi all... I've been a lurker for about a couple of months and finally had something to say.

Towards the end of last month, I sent a letter to my Congresscritter, Mike Ferguson (R-NJ) about the DSM. I wasn't expecting much, but figured I could at least add to his in-box. I got what I *think* is effectively a form-letter and thought I'd share it.

I'm also including my (personal) responses to his letter, although I won't bother sending them to him since he's obviously had his brain removed and has sold his soul to the Republican party.

Thank you for contacting me regarding the so-called Downing Street memos. I appreciate hearing from you and having the benefit of your views.

So now I know that you're against us, too... Thanks for providing that info. Please be sure and answer the door when the brownshirts come by. Thanks.

The Downing Street memos were prepared for British Prime Minister Tony Blair by British intelligence agencies in 2002. The memos raised questions about whether the United States manipulated intelligence in advance of the Iraq war in 2003 and about coalition preparations for rebuilding Iraq once Saddam Hussein was driven from power.

Even though you sent me a fairly well-written letter that indicated you have a brain, I feel compelled to make sure you understand what you were writing about.

During a news conference June 7, 2005, at the White House, both President Bush and Prime Minister Blair rejected those assertions.

"The facts were not being fixed, in any shape or form at all," Prime Minister Blair said. "No one knows more intimately the dicussions that we were conducting as two countries at the time."

"There's nothing farther from the truth," President Bush said.

There it is - two leaders of their countries have spoken and, of course, politicians would never lie.

As you may know, both the United States and the United Kingdom authorized independent investigations of how prewar intelligence was handled, and neither found political manipulation.

I wish I could find a smiley for :blowingsmokeupyourbutt:

Again, thank you for taking the time to share your opinions, and please visit my website at www.house.gov/Ferguson for more information on issues important to New Jersey's 7th Congressional District.

Just tell me who's running against you next year and how I can get in touch with them because I want to find a campaign that I can donate time / money / whatever to because I want you out of office, you droid.

Sigh...
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 10:03 PM
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7. The investigation into how White House handled the intel was NEVER DONE.
It was put off till after the election. So, there is no way that Ferguson can say there was no political manipulation. Kerry's demanding that the senate FINISH the job they started and use the new DSM evidence.
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