Post: White House fears indictment

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http://washingtontimes.com/upi/20050714-104442-6075r.htm

United Press International

Post: White House fears indictment
Jul. 14, 2005 at 11:55AM

White House officials told The Washington Post they fear someone in the Bush administration may be indicted regarding the leak of a covert CIA operative's name.

The Post report Thursday did not name its sources, saying "officials acknowledged privately" that an indictment naming a member of the administration could come this year.

Special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald has been investigating the release of the name of CIA operative Valerie Plame, which is a crime for a government official. But the Post said legal experts said there are other possible problems related to the case, including perjury and obstruction of justice.

Time magazine reporter Matthew Cooper appeared Wednesday before a federal grand jury convened to look into the case. Another reporter, Judith Miller of The New York Times, remains jailed in Virginia because she refuses to appear before the grand jury.

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[ck4829]

1. All of them should be indicted.

In my previous post I had stated that we shouldn't impeach.

I'm tired of being merciful to the RW'ers.

We should do what he have to do to restore our Republic.

[cssmall]

22. Agreed. . .

Luckily, people are beginning to wake up. One day, I started taking names of people whom supported the Bush administration and all their cronies and idiots. They now are beginning to change their tune. Remember, this is a "revolution" per se, much like the conservatives in 94, we are going to have to start doing the same thing. Winning battle by battle, slowly but surely and with enough work, we can right this damn thing.

[Carolab]

60. Right. Even my hard-core RW neighbors took down their signs.

Their "We Support Our Troops" banners are gone as are the ribbons they had all over their pickup truck.

[cssmall]

62. Oh, I support the troops. . .

let's get them the fuck out of Iraq and tell them to go to their families, to go back to work, and then disband the professional military, so that NOTHING ever happens like this again.

[liberaliraqvet26]

70. disband the military???

isn't that a bit much. How bout we give them responsible leadership?

[cssmall]

77. We did not have a standing military. . .

for a good long while, if you'd remember correctly and why in the name of all that is Holy in the world do we need one now? It's just another way for people to take control and use it against the poor to get what they want. . . more power, money, etc. We do not need a professional militarry because all it will do is become corrupt in its higher ranks.

[mode13h_net]

81. C'mon... even Japan has a modernized 'self defense force'

[cssmall]

83. It was created in their post WWII constitution.

Remember when they were asked to help in Iraq? Koizumi got in a bit of trouble. They don't leave their land and if you want to keep something to have an idea of all this: keep the guards, not our PROFESSIONAL military.

[brindis_desala]

101. I'm sorry no one has taken up your challenge. It's a valid

argument that would clarify just what type of image we would like our nation to project as so called "liberals". Although I completely agree that the military has been terribly misused I believe both the army and navy have roles as potential deterrents for acts of terror and genocide ie. Haiti, Bosnia and Rwanda. And because in a capitalist society 5-10% unemployment is built in- for many high school graduates the military is the only path to a modicum of financial security. Plus kids in hard core neighborhoods who have seen little structure do gain self-confidence and a sense of discipline.
That said, I would certainly rein in the air force to a much more defensive posture and institute a rigorous accounting regime at the Pentagon, shrink its gargantuan budget so it had to jump through hoops for those redundant weapons systems and bigger "mother of all bombs". The temptation would still remain to engage in imperialist adventures but a limited budget and a contraction of armed forces might at least function as a check.

Of course this is mere whimsy because the country has been a imperial power for over a century and we're killing off our technology sector much as we long ago sacrificed our prowess in manufactures.
Pity, because a country this rich could be addressing real threats to our survival, ie, global warming, polluting wastes and the underdevelopment of renewable energies.

I'll let a military man explain US policy best: "We have entered an age of constant conflict... The de facto role of the US armed forces will be to keep the world safe for our economy and open to our cultural assault." ~Major Ralph Peters, Office of the Deputy Chief of Staff for Intelligence, US Military

We've seen the enemy and the enemy is US...

[cssmall]

102. Thank you.

But, even then, when we rein in the USAF to a defensive posture, we can easily do that with a National Guard instead of standing military. Train those whom volunteer to fight, not take'em where you get'em.

To argue the point about the capitalist nature of this society, then we must look at this: if we cut funding from the military down to a volunteer force, then would we not have money to afford better after school programs, better educational programs, better vocational training and the list can go on for miles to come.

I see your point and I agree with it; however, I feel as if there could be more that should be done and could easily be done. As to protecting the glove from genocide and terror. Actually, I believe this would lessen it. The insurgents in Iraq hate America because they see like the 1920s British that tried to shove colonialism down their throats. I believe that scaling back to a non-professional volunteer army would not only aid in recruitment to protect America, but as a deterrent of terror.

As for genocide, tragically, I believe that is something that we will never rid ourselves of. However, through education and through tolerance, perhaps, we can work to bring our world to better place.

Thank you once again and it was more than worth the time to read a well written post, especially in response to a subject I feel strongly about. And, thank you for the wonderful quote. Now I have one for you: "We practice a selective annihilation of mayors and government officals. In essence, we create a vacuum, then we fill that vacuum, it is popular for our advantage, it brings us closer" -anon.

[DemonFighterLives]

128. I don't know about disbanding

I never thought much about it, but I like certain aspects of your idea. Without our military shooting up whoever PNAC wants, we would be better off.
Something really needs to be done. The administration and the pentagon need to answer to the people.
Welcome to DU!
:hi:

[cssmall]

131. Well. . . technically, I'm not calling for a complete

disbanding of the military, again it will be a volunteer force, like the guard, etc. Of course, we could always pull the Swedish idea. . . force everyone, including the rich and make'em work. :evilgrin:

With the technology we have, with the power we have, with number of people we have, we could easily have enough of a volunteer force to defend this land and work as a deterrent from any and all other countries.

And, thanks for the Welcome. I said something controversial, now I've gotta defend until I'm proven wrong. :crazy:

[Cascadian]

111. I don't think we should disband the military.

I think we should at least have a new leadership within the armed forces plus I think the mission of the armed forces should be redefined. The U.S. Armed Forces should no longer take part in any overseas adventures like Iraq and Afghanistan. Of course, we should serious review and change our foreign policy as well. One that will actually help the world not exploit and dominate it.


John

[Syncronaut Seven]

80. Disbanding the military???

I don't think I 've met anyone here who thinks that's a good idea.

I could get behind a less imperial agenda from our :puke: current corporate owned republican leadership.

[cssmall]

82. Give me one good reason,

why we need to have a standing military when we have the Department of Homeland Security, the NSA, CIA, FBI, ATF, DEA and police to help guard against terrorist activities. If you can give me one good reason, I might change my mind, but I would like to think that some others here support this idea, because they realize that the military is easily corrupted and used as corporate tool to keep poor Americans. Remember, this country did just fine without one whilst we grew. Give me a reason.

[Syncronaut Seven]

90. Flip the list, just that simple

Please take a short moment to justify the current budget and staffing levels of these agencies "NSA, CIA, FBI, ATF, DEA. If you could Sir.

On Edit: I have no problem with the military Sir, I think that a large part of their budget is conspicuously missing from accounting right now, Perhaps you could also find that.

[cssmall]

91. Would you please explain what you mean?

And, I didn't list them in order of budgetary concern, but honestly, isn't that enough, without need of a military? Again, you did not give me a reason, you answered my question with one of your own. And, just think of the money we would be saving that could go to aid these agencies and to the poor rank and file soldier that joined the military for the express purpose of finding the "American dream." Again, please, I'm up for intelligent debate, I just want a reason.

[Syncronaut Seven]

92. Please rephrase in a coherent sentence, I've lost you there son.

.

[cssmall]

93. Actually.

I believe that was coherent, but obviously you're not in the mood to give me an intelligent reason why we need a professional standing military. Also, I asked you to rephrase your own question, unless, of course, your mental fortitude is much larger than mine and I just missed the point. At which case, I apologize for my lack of intellect. :sarcasm:

I do not make a point unless I am prepared to defend it. I meant exactly what I said; however, I value the discoure of intelligent debate, not the opposite, which honestly, is much to Limbaughian for my tastes.

[Laurab]

103. I think we need a standing military

I'm not that knowledgeable about it, and I would love for us to live in a peaceful world, but I think without a standing military, we would be seen as an easy target by any country, that for any reason, just felt like attacking us. Kind of like how we attack other countries, just because we feel like it these days. In an ideal world, it would serve as a deterrent, nothing more, because war and/or military attacks wouldn't happen. We don't live in that world. Even less now, since * has made us so many enemies.

The years of training, knowledge, and ability would come in handy in the event other countries tried to act like us. I don't really see us living in a world today where we can not have some kind of standing military, if only as a deterrent. There are other countries with leadership almost as crazy as ours, and we should have the ability to protect ourselves, and defend ourselves.

That being said, I agree that our troops should be brought home, and not used as pawns in a war based on greed, stupidity and lies. I just feel a standing military is a necessity in the world we live in today.

[cssmall]

132. Is it a necessity?

It took me a long time to think of an argument here, because I respect and value your well written post. It makes a very good point, one that I feel should be reason for the disbanding on the *professional* military. Remember, I'm not calling for a disbanding of all troops, just the USAF, Army, Navy, and Marines.

I think we can do alot better by focusing on the homeland, but then you've probably all ready read most of my argument. I want to reiterate one thing: by cutting the military funding for the professional military, we could easily afford a few more programs that would actually make this country great.

By the way, to all involved, I was raised by a Vietnam Vet father. I have seen the price of war in his eyes and this is why I feel this way. Well, that and I'm pretty isolationist when it comes to world trouble (with the exception hungry, poverty, human rights violations).

[Uncle Joe]

133. My biggest concern with disbanding the military

is Communist China, they have a mighty large build up of testosterone over there, that I am concerned about. Their manufacturing base and military are making rapid gains on ours and will surpass us this century at current rate. You might trust that the Communist Chinese will stay content in their borders and not gain any imperial designs, but I doubt it.
Now let us assume that the Earth were to evolve to the point of no nation needing a military and everybody decided to disarm, that would be different scenario, particularly if Communist China were a deomocratic China. But until then I say Semper Fidelis.

[cssmall]

135. Damn them pinkos, right?

I believe that China is much too smart for that. And, with an ever increasing free market in China, how sure are we that they are actually following Chairman Mao's hardline stance. China is NOT truly communist, just like the USSR. It is a totalitarian oligarchy that sedates its people with this communist talk.

Think about the dissention in Hong Kong, especially the hardline communist on the parliament from the city who feels that the country has left its communist heritage in the wind.

Really, communism is an economic system, if used as a political dogma, then it becomes corrupt. Only the communist democracy of Cuba is the only sucessful member of the world that has been or is still practicing communist economics.

Honestly, China is the least of our cocern, perhaps North Korea is something to worry about, but want to know the best way to get over this issue is to do the opposite of what Bush does and what Clinton did: remove the sanctions held on the countries (though of course the China sanction is barely alice) and then if they continue to work on nuclear weapons and threaten the US, we can start doing some International Relations mumbojumbo.

I promise you, if we scale back the military to a group of Army, USAF, Navy Reserves that hold jobs, pay their own bills and cook their own meals, then I believe that we would find that the world would calm down a little bit. You have to realize how threatening we really are, espeically under Bush.

[Uncle Joe]

136. Ok so we can talk of the semantics of what Communist China is but

as you stated "It is a totalitarian oligarchy that sedates its people with this communist talk." This does not make me feel more benevolent to them, I do know that due to their population explosion problem, they have had a one child policy for decades that has led to the deaths of many baby girls because they are not as profitable to the families as baby boys are. The result is they have created a gender imbalance in their general population with a large surplus of men over women. They are becoming more militaristic toward taking democratic Taiwan, more militaristic toward Japan on some disputed islands and generally expanding their navy in to the South China Sea area. I only see this trend intensifying over the next few decades as the World's resources continue to decline, and China expands it's demand to feed it's rapidly growing economy.
You are also correct in that North Korea is another potential problem, however if you disband our military what is to stop them from taking over South Korea, other than the South Korean defense force. I think sanctions are somewhat effective against totalitarian regimes in that they stunt their potential to grow and wage war but at a terrible cost their civlian populations, however what is the alternative to sanctions other than war.
I also agree that we are threatening to the world but it is not our military so much as it is our present politcal policies under this incompetent regime. Our military is smaller than it has been in decades. The reason that we do not have more money to spend on domestic programs that would make us a greater nation, is because of our increasing debt service. Until we get our financial house in order, our military and domestic budgets will continue to be hammered.

[cssmall]

138. Only because Clinton lowered its size.

Our military is only growing and China would not try anything. They know that they look bad all ready, for most of the human rights violations you came up with. But, that doesn't mean anything. In fact, China would be best if they goaded the US into doing anything first, thens triking back, no matter what the army is. And, if NK attacks then China will condemn it. Don't fool yourself.

But, the main point is: China will not attack the US, that would be a folly and would give the world more than enough reason to attack back. However, it would be politically benefical for them to wait for any perceived aggression.

One more thing, I would like sources, other than FOX for China's supposed "problem" with Taiwan and I can give you a pretty good reason why: the US is meddling and they don't want the US meddling in their influence. Sounds kinda like the Boxer Rebellion, if you ask me, which was caused by the UK, US and other major imperialistic world powers.

[Laurab]

139. I think it is a necessity, really

and I really don't like to think that. If we disband all the troops you listed, what's left? Are there other countries without a "professional" military? Other large countries, I mean. I really don't know, and as I said, I don't know a whole lot about the issue. It just seems to me that without one, we'd be sitting ducks.

Of course we could do well focusing on the homeland, and there are a whole lot of things that could be cut (like taxes for the wealthy), that could help to make this country great. I'm just not sure about the military.

I have seen the price of war in many people's eyes - I am not a fan of war in the least. We do, however, need defense I believe. Military funding would be a whole lot cheaper if idiots didn't keep sending our military off to wars we shouldn't be fighting.

Bottom line to me is, without a professional military, we are sitting ducks for anyone at anytime, who feels like attacking us. What do we do then if we don't have a military? That's my problem with disbanding the military. Not that we can't rush off to war, but that we can't defend ourselves.

[cssmall]

141. No, we're not.

How in the name of all that is still right in this world could we have survived our early attacks by Britian even though we did not have a professional military?

Honestly, you think somebody is going to even try and attack us? If they did, they'd be looking for a boot in the ass afterwards. China is too concerned about how they look, North Korea is all bluster and no action and who else, besides Saudi Arabia or the Middle East? What are the Israelis going to attack? I doubt it, we've been wiping their ass for so long and then they've got more than enough problems of their own. I want you to think, honestly review what has been said between all sides and realize how much of that has to do with our own imperalistic agenda.

I promise you, if we do this, we would not need to worry near as much as you fear. And, if you're afriad of Russia. . .

[cpamomfromtexas]

120. I totally agree

Even my former fighter pilot husband says the way the troops are being used is bullshit.

He says if called he'll go, but he says he never dreamed our country would be in this state.

[lisby]

65. My RW neighbors

Still have this huge banner over their door that says, "We support our troops and our president!" I keep watching to see if it will disappear. So far not, although their 16-year-old son recently proudly proclaimed to the rest of the town that he "was no longer a member of the Republican party."

Lisby

[newyawker99]

71. Hi lisby!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[KerryOn]

84. If they were my neighbors, they would be reminded of the truth every day.

Put this in your front yard!

[Pystoff]

99. I got a good chuckle today myself

Buddy of mine got zombied by the right wing fundies when he married a preachers daughter awhile back and ended up voting for commander cucoo bananas. He has now sworn off him and even the fundies to a degree most twisted part of this story tho is it seems :puke: Michael Savage is why his mind changed. He used to listen to Hanniy but Savage hates Hannity apparently and swayed him. I guess I have to now get him off Savage *sigh* wish me luck educating my poor deluded buddy once again.

On edit I wish I could literally puke right on Savage's name LOL

[DemonFighterLives]

129. Savage is worse

Isn't he? I mean I could only listen to a few minutes. I don't know how your buddy could swear off of W by listening to Savage. He would probably rather kill liberals than anything else.
And married to a preachers daughter. :beer:

[Pystoff]

140. Oh yes he is

Savage is a peice of fecal matter no doubt. But apparently lately Savage has become very fed up and or angry (since thats what he does best) about chimpy. Nah my buddy isn't the type to froth at the mouth about liberals infact hes fed up with politicians plain and simple. He's kinda to the point I'd more expect him to either give up voting or go third party. He takes all the radio mouths with a big grain of salt as well so he doesn't go for the mantras either like a big awakening for him apparently.

Yeah the preachers daughter thing and after he'd been agnostic like I am for so long kinda tripped me out but oh well.

[dooner]

105. ditto on my neighbors.

waiting for the day they slink that Bush sign away.

[Lochloosa]

116. Buy some of these and give them to your neighbors...

http://www.troopsribbon.com/

[Lilyhoney]

144. No, no ,no no,more ribbons nomatter what they say.

Please stop the spread of ribbons no matter what they are for.

[longship]

39. I don't think Pres or Veep can be indicted.

IANAL, but I think it's up to Congress to remove them from office for the indictment to hold. Congress has the constitutional mandate to judge the Pres or Veep.

[brooklynite]

43. Correct, but we can all repeat the Watergate phrase...

"unindicted co-conspirator"

[longship]

64. That has a nice ring to it, "unindicted co-conspirator"

I think I'll say it again, "unindicted co-conspirator".

Yes, that *does* sound nice.

I remember it well. If anything it sounds even better now.

[buddha8]

106. Libby

I think they will throw Libby to the wolves. He will be fingered as a sacrificial lamb. He is the least valuable and the least well known and he shields the real acting president select, Dick Cheney. Rove is already several steps out ahead of everyone on this including the special prosecutor. Thats his out. They get Libby and then they stop. Libby will take the fall like a good soldier and be set up for life with an enormous slush fund for his sacrifice.

Why else Libby? Because throwing Libby under the bus hopefully will keep the trail to Cheney cold. Why Cheney? He's an oil man. He knows what Plame was really up to and he is the one who is in all of the White House, most familiar with the inner workings of the CIA. Remember he practically camped out there in the leadup to the War begging the Agency to provide him with the intelligence he was seeking. Most important is that he knows how close Plame was getting to busting Aramaco and the Saudis for funding terrorism. He did not want that to happen. His oil friends have billions of dollars of intimate business with the House of Saud. He damn well knows they fund terrorism, that they fund bin Laden, that bin Laden's own brother is a banker to the Royal family who siphons off millions for Al Quaeda. He knows this. He also knew that more than likely, Wilson's wife may have been getting close to the source with all her contacts. Just look at how desparately Cheney has protected the Saudis and bin Laden in the past. They redacted 27 pages from the Commission section on the Saudis as 'senstive top secret'. The Saudis manned the planes that did the WTC. The Saudis are the main terrorist element right now in Iraq. You can't have perpetual war and business relations with the House of Saud if you expose their prime support for terrorism.

[Trevelyan]

118. Thank You for More Info on the Reasons for Outing Plame

the corruption of these people, most left over Nixon and Bush, Sr. collegues knows no bounds.

Bush, Sr. must have been a top CIA operative to have been approved by Congress as head of the CIA before he took off for greener pastures after his assassination attempt by Poppy's branch of the CIA on Reagan, Bush, Sr. like Cheney now was the real president.

Here In Reality.com has a link to a Reuter's story that John Hinkley's brother had a dinner date with Neil Bush the night of the Reagan assassination attempt. Reuters and other abandoned this story of the Hinkley's long term contributions to the Bush Family. I'm sure that poor John Hinkley's psychiatrist was MK-ULTRA operative.

In a Washington Post article a number of years ago and online on Sen. Kennedy, stated that Hinkley was hiding in Kennedy's office with a gun all day but Kennedy and staff did not show up for work that day and after the trial Kennedy hired one of Hinkley's attorneys for his staff. Bush, Sr. (Poppy) was threatening Kennedy as well as Reagan who was shot with a rifle bullet ricochet and his Secretary was shot with rifle bullet not the handgun that Hinkley had and Hinkley was not in a position to get off the shots that were accomplished by a real sniper, Hinkley did not have the training in shooting that a CIA operative would.

It took the FBI 2 weeks to distinguish rifle bullets from handgun bullets. If Bush, Sr. had wanted Reagan dead he would have been but Poppy still had work to do in buying up the media and brainwashing young people with violent movies and video games. Many of the soldiers in Vietnam were squemish about shooting people at point blank range. Many of the Iraqi vets are sickened by what they observed or were forced to do and some of the 82 Airborne who committed the Fallujah genocide under orders recently testified for the World Tribunal on the Iraqi War which is a good site to visit.

There are obviously in any army some psychopaths, like George Senior who was accused of murdering Japanese fishermen, non-combatants at close up range when he was in the military. I think the Bush Regime is looking for a few good psychopaths and sending them to Guantanamo Bay to create their own Storm Troopers to use against the American people when they wake up as they are doing. Hopefully the soldiers that Bushco used up and threw away by not giving them even the armor they needed and cheating them and their families out of even the medical care promised and are trained will help the anti-war movement.

:dilemma:

[wli]

121. worried too

The demonstration smashings, NYC's Pier 57 a.k.a. Guantanamo on the Hudson, psyop-flavored garbage about nuclear strikes getting repeated now and then, more psyop-flavored garbage about martial law getting repeated now and then, darker CT-ish things going around, seem to add up to "these neofascists are very severe dangers."

[DemonFighterLives]

126. Welcome to DU!

Great to get your take on this.

[DemonFighterLives]

127. Welcome to DU!

You could very well be right. This regime will take good care of anyone who falls on the sword for them.

[Trevelyan]

115. I Think Impeach Means Indict

Clinton was Impeached, i.e. Indicted but not convicted therefore he remained in office.

A while back on one of the many Impeach Bush sites they stated that the legal definition of Impeach is simply to indite. To remove a President (or Supreme Court Justice) from office, like in Court the office holder must be convicted but they said that on their site they would use the word Impeachment the way it is in common usage to mean indict, convict and remove from office.

I read that Rep. Conyers was one of the Watergate lawyers and am curious about the long-dormant Congressional ability like a court to obtain convictions and jail sentences. Bush, Sr. pardoned a number of those convicted by Congress (so I've read online - do not remember the newspapers making a big deal of it) including Noreigo, the Drug Lord because Senior was afraid they would spill the beans about Poppy's involvement in major drug trafficking.

I thought Poppy is also a flower Bush pardoned Ollie North and John Poindexter but read another site that said those two got off on a technicality.

It must really be discouraging for the Congress to go to all the trouble to convict these traitors and monsters only to have a corrupt president pardon them.

It seemed the Senate Hearings on MK-ULTRA were not able to stop the Bush/CIA torture and sex slavery mind control of children, or Mockingbird - the subversion of the U.S. Media and on and on. Project Artichoke meant turning people into vegetables, Monarch was the unspeakable things they did to children. Democracy Now has an interview with someone about the bacteria (interviewee was concerned that although the government said the bacteria they were releasing was safe, they did not mention the type of bacteria they were releasing) that is being deliberately introduced into NY subways after the London bombing to see how long it takes to go through the station and the interviewee talks about similar experiments in the 1950s that caused some deaths in those who were immunocompromised and stated that depending on the bacteria the US government is now releasing it could be safe for most people but the elderly, the ill and very young children could be adversely affected.

Sounds like the program that Barbara Boxer said sounded like a joke, the recent attempts of the bush regime to pay poor families to expose their very young children to insecticides to find out how much is harmful to protect the rest of us but the amount paid to the parents that agreed to do this to their children doesn't sound like it would pay for the physical damage done to their children. I signed the petition but don't know if Boxer and the other Democrats were able to stop this unbelievable practice showing once again the Regime's inability to see anyone but themselves as human.

:rant:

[AngryOldDem]

69. I've never been that generous

We're talking about a serious breach of security here; God knows how deep it goes. Bush, though, should be impeached on the war issue alone.

If Clinton can get in trouble over a simple blow job in the Oval, there is no way in hell that someone should escape accountability for this and every other breach of Constitutional law that this administration has committed since 2000. If they do get away with it, it makes a true mockery of everything that this country says it stands for in its system of government.

I agree that the Republic is indeed at stake here. I firmly believe that we do have the best governmental system on the face of the earth; I trust in it wholeheartedly. But I DO NOT trust those who are in charge of it at the present moment.

Bring on impeachment. It is LONG overdue.

[Fritz67]

89. Tell it...

If Clinton can get in trouble over a simple blow job in the Oval, there is no way in hell that someone should escape accountability for this and every other breach of Constitutional law that this administration has committed since 2000

That's the thing that always gets me. Ollie North selling arms to the "Axis of Evil" made him a great big Right Wing hero. Duhbya and his junta can lie out their asses to get us into war with Iraq, fucking over people like Plame who were actually working to protect our country, and that's all right.

But Clinton get's a blow job and it's worthy of millions of investigation and, of course, impeachment.

Yeah...makes sense to me
:sarcasm:

[SammyWinstonJack]

124. Thing is, it DOES make sense to the pukes.

:crazy:

[Trevelyan]

117. I Printed Out your 18181 Link and the Statistically Impossible Article on

One of the sites. I had read it before but forgot in the avalanche of evidence of vote rigging and voter suppression.

Will leave it on bench outside of store in my personal BE THE MEDIA campaign.

Someone suggested printing out Avery labels with the word IMPEACH in a thick font and putting it EVERYWHERE.

Advertising and propaganda as bush junior reminded us is a matter of repetition. Let people know they are not alone in their thoughts about Bushco Crimes.

I get alot of positive feedback from my ImpeachBush.com black armband, but I live in a blue state.:dem:

[lancdem]

2. I just posted the WaPo story

I think this is the first time I've seen this in the MSM.

[Pachamama]

112. This story is from the Washington Times, not WaPo..it's a right-wing paper

...which makes it all the more interesting that this story is in it showing the White House is afraid of an indictment...

I think that you will however be seeing more of this "story" (fear of indictments) and then the actual indictments themselves in the MSM very very soon, because regardless of that MSM media sources' "leanings", they will have no choice other than to report it...

[oasis]

3. They fear more than one indictment. The toppling of their house of cards

is what they really fear.

[lancdem]

8. You got it

[The Doctor.]

61. In which case we could wind up in some real trouble...

Whoever takes over would have to put some very unpopular measures in place to save our economy from ruin.

[stevietheman]

110. I think what they really fear goes beyond Iraq...

as there has been growing suspicions from many quarters that the Bush administration had something to do with 9/11. And the Iraq mess is but one or two onion layers above that.

I've been thinking for a while that the Bush administration *really* fears a three-million strong lynch mob descending on Washington.

[Trevelyan]

123. Poppy Bush always said that if the American people knew what we had done

they would string us up from the nearest lamp post.

A former agent with Drug Enforcement said he had enough evidence on Bush Senior's major drug trafficking to convict a hundred people for life - see Narco News and Mena murders - Clinton was also involved in the horrible murders at Mena to stop investigation of the murders of the two teenagers who stumbled onto the airbase at Mena used for major drug trafficking from South America.

George Bush, Senior selected his own nickname "Poppy" as in opium not as in Papa as a way to thumb his nose at the American people.

Kiss The Boys Goodbye was written by a woman from a noted newspaper who quit in disgust at the intellectual fraud of the war on drugs and the crimes stemming from Poppy's corruption.:yoiks:

[stevietheman]

137. Re: "Poppy" Bush's statement

I have to plead ignorance on this. Is there a credible source for "if the American people knew what we had done...", and also, I'm interested in finding out more about the drug trafficking.. if 1) it's based on credibly-sourced facts, and 2) whether the purpose behind the trafficking was more than greed (i.e., were they trying to damage the American people?). Thanks in advance for any info.

[underpants]

4. We need TWO-Elliot Abrams will be one of them

already a convicted felon, he is expendable.

[Pachamama]

113. I'll take three or four...in fact, make it five or six....I think that

their are more criminals in that administration than any other, so I think atleast six people being indicted wouldn't be that high of a number....

Karl Rove
Libby "Scooter" Lewis
Elliot Abrams
John Bolton
Ari Fleischer

I'm not sure who the sixth person should be...I have a theory that Mary Matalin is one of the people in Cheney's office who may have leaked info to Novak or the media, but my hunch is that what is really going to stack up the numbers in terms of indictments will be not the actual crime of treason and outing the agent Valerie Plame, but rather, the "coverup" and I think that there are many many in that case that would be participants in such a cover-up...

[writes2000]

5. I'm doing a dance around my living room!

[ClayZ]

19. Dancing here too!

Ring around the Rovie
Pockets full of blood
ashes ashes
They all fall down!





:kick:

[headache]

35. what else should Rove expect...

...as he himself stated, "liberals" are real good at preparing indictments in wartime....or maybe he wants therapy this time.

anyway if we're in need of tunes, how 'bout a round of "Goodbye Yellow Prick Rove" like to the tune of "Goodbye yellow Brick Road" ...ya think Elton would be up for another situation specific remake a la "Candle In The Wind" ?


----------------------------
Hac--
longtime lurker (3 yrs)/very infrequent poster

[ClayZ]

41. He's going to need therapy...

hmmmm perhaps lobotomy, shock therapy...

Now I will stop myself from submerging into my negative fantasy. I will picture him in a twelve step group for pathological liars, surrounded by people working on the 1st step, "admitting a problem", for the REST OF HIS LIFE! Poking his fat little head out of the river of DENIAL, going down again, gasping for air... ARGH, I can't help myself..

Yellow PRICK ROVE! YEAH! I hear it now, especially the GOOD-BY part!


Welcome headache! Post on!


:kick:

[In Truth We Trust]

47. Please post more often. This one was quite entertaining.

[Silvermint]

49. Another song

If we want to modify a song to suit Rove's cowardly let-the-journalists-take-the-fall image, how about turning to Springsteen? "Born To Run (Away)"

[Silvermint]

50. Or how about...

Rolling Stones... "NO Sympathy For The Devil"... I think I like that even more.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

66. "Goodbye Yellow Prick Rove"

Perfect. Thanks for that.

[sellitman]

72. LMAO!!!!!!

Where the dogs of society howl!!!!!!!

[newyawker99]

73. Hi headache!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Norquist Nemesis]

6. This, from the Times?

:wow:
<offtopic>
I heard a funny one a little bit ago on the Jay Marvin show.

Q: Which Republican is happy about the spotlight on Rove?
A: Tom DeLay

[sabra]

7. indeed. I saw similar report from Faux last night...

[ernstbass]

9. Be afraid -very afraid

The chickens are coming home to roost you fuckers!

[AnnInLa]

10. This year? Hopefully, they move a little faster than that.....but

maybe an indictment closer to the 2006 elections would be better?

[ktowntennesseedem]

31. I wish it were a little closer to the '06 elections, but...

the way this thing is growing I don't think that matters. This isn't the kind of scandal that passes in a few weeks with the next terror alert/runaway bride/missing teenager story. Those stories will still happen, but the Rove mess looks like its out of control and here to stay. Any firing/indictment/etc. now won't make the story go away, but will only serve as the keystone for even bigger scandals to be uncovered.

[AnnInLa]

34. from your mouth to god's ear!

[buddha8]

107. warning

I don't like all the gloating on this site. You guys are far too naive. No way they get Rove. If they need to they will simply fire the special prosecutor. I very much doubt any of this creates dominoes. Rove has been in real trouble before but he always comes out on top. If he needs to they will create a massive diversionary scheme, manufacture a terror attack on one of our cities and then declare martial law. Under martial law the whole system grinds to a halt, the Executive branch is given all power and police and army simply fill the streets to check dissent and arrest suspects. You don't think that can happen here? You are very naive. This is much more likely than Rove ever going to jail or being prosecuted. Won't happen. He Knows Way Too Much. If he ever squealed and felt betrayed the country would learn about the fixed elections, the fraudulent computer scanners and counters, the real story behind 9/11, everything, you name it. Before that ever happens there will be a massive and hysterical diversionary card turned over, one that is like London but knowing these guys, on a much larger scale.

Just when the gloating gets noisiest is when I expect them to lauch the diversion. And guess what. The Media and the American people will eat it up and all talk of scandal will be oddly forgotten. As if it were just a bad dream. Count on it.

[DemonFighterLives]

130. I don't think anyone has popped the champagne yet

W can't just fire Fitzgerald. Look back to Watergate. The attempt to fire Cox is what got the ball rolling.

Rove, if he's guilty could very well go in silence. He has made a mint already and is loyal(if nothing else) to pResident cuckoo banannas.

[Pithy Cherub]

11. Does the White House fear indictment as in its entirety or

just a specific lone one, like say the freakin' pResident of the United States?

The republicans made a constant diet of fear! Now reap what you sow republicans - live it, breathe it, FEAR it!

A Long Hot Summer :popcorn:

[Silvermint]

52. True

That's a damned good point, Pithy! What we're seeing now is the MSM tweaking the Administration-Crumbling-Terror-Alert levels. Quite amusing.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

12. I've got 4 minutes until noon - when it's ok to drink at toast !

[Catherine Vincent]

13. Can't believe this is from the Moonie Times.

But I'm still waiting on the cable networks to head their top news as "White House in Crisis" or something like that. If it was good enough for a bj, it should be good enough for blowing the cover of a CIA agent.

[lancdem]

14. They're just quoting the Post

[shelley806]

51. I so wholeheartedly agree!!!! Must confess it took me a while to figure

out what bj stood for (:blush: :blush:) ; but it certainly pales in comparison to this corrupt administration!!

[earth mom]

15. The are afraid...and what do people do when they are afraid?

They strike out. As in 9/11 Part 2.

I won't be able to really breathe until ALL the criminals in the WH are indicted, tried, locked up and the key is thrown away...

[wli]

122. nuclear 9/11 part 2 is scaring me to death

[geckosfeet]

16. Close your eyes, click your heels together three times and repeat

after me. "There is no place like home, there is no place like home,,,,,,,,, "

My first feelings on reading this headline were an incredible lightness of being,,, then a guilty pleasure at wishing my own government harm. But I know how evil these people have been. They will get what they deserve. Our country will be free again.

[ProgressiveFool]

18. it is not your government

that you are wishing harm - it's one or more sick fucks that in your government's name, in your name, committed crimes against it.

[Silvermint]

53. Well

Well, remember what Mark Twain (I think) said, Geckosfeet...

"Patriotism is supporting your country all of the time and supporting your government when they deserve it."

Don't allow the RW to put you in the awkward position of wishing your government harm. Why? Because all you're wishing is that those in the administration will receive fair judgment for their crimes. That, in my mind, isn't wishing for harm at all... it's wishing for universal justice without exception. Quite noble, in fact.

[Syncronaut Seven]

85. Very wise indeed!

I would also like to acknowledge those of our dedicated government employees "encouraged to retire early" because their political beliefs and moral standards were incompatible with this current administration.

I would also like to encourage those dedicated employees (and former employees) to step forward NOW with information pertaining to illegal and questionable practices forced down your throats by Bush* Admin. appointees.

YOUR NATION NEEDS YOU NOW!!!!!

On edit: I know, It's no Travelgate. We Do remember Travelgate don't we?:yoiks:

[Stand and Fight]

17. Is the world's long nightmare coming to an end?

Is America on the brink of freeing itself from the cold grasp of Bush and company?

[eyepaddle]

20. Oh please let it be, please, please, please.

I'm having trouble get work done keeping up up with all these Rove-related tidbits.

Today's a good day to be a democrat.

[Silvermint]

54. No,

it's a good day to be an American. Let the Republicans try to turn this into a partisan issue if they want. It'll be rather amusing to watch them claim that treason is a family value!

[ClintonTyree]

21. Don't relax too much.....

Jebbie is in the wings waiting HIS turn! The whole "dynasty" thing, you know? I think Dumbya blew any chance that Jebbie ever had of being President right out to the freaking water.
Hopefully, America has had enough of this criminal empire.

[Gronk Groks]

48. Please dear God,

Deliver our country from these fascist criminals.

Amen...O8)

[Stand and Fight]

59. Amen!

Welcome to DU!
:toast:

I see you have my home state for your avatar? Where abouts are you from? I was born and raised in Las Vegas.

[Vincardog]

23. We will be safer only when the * crime family is tried convicted and

all their asserts are seized.

[Richardo]

24. It'll be one of the guys in the red shirts

Probably the black guy

[Chipper Chat]

37. "He's dead Jim"

Oh man - you just made me flashback to 1967, getting home from school, turning on the TV and eating a peanut-butter sandwich.

[Walt Starr]

25. Here's my short list of potential indictments

These are all potentials and the potential counts indictments could be issued under:

Karl Rove - Multiple counts under Intelligence Identities and Protection Act, Espionage Act of 1917. Also counts on conspiracy, perjury, and obstruction.

Scooter Libby - Multiple counts under Intelligence Identities and Protection Act, Espionage Act of 1917. Also counts on conspiracy, perjury, and obstruction.

Karen Hughes - Conspiracy

Mary Matalin - Conspiracy

Jim Wilkinson - Conspiracy

Nicholas Callo - Conspiracy

Condi Rice - Counts under Espionage Act of 1917 and conspiracy

Stephen Hadley - Conspiracy

John Bolton - Counts under Espionage Act of 1917 and conspiracy

Furthermore, depending upon precisely what Plame did and the criticality of her work and efforts, treason charges could be brought against anybody indicted under the Espionage Act of 1917.

[Quixote1818]

27. I am with you all the way Walt

I am usually one of the last people to believe anything will happen but I am with you on this. They got messy on this and the cover up is going to come back and KICK their ASS just like with Watergate.

You seem pretty sharp Walt, I read your post last night. Do you work in politics?

[Walt Starr]

29. LOL, no, I read a lot.

:D

[Pithy Cherub]

28. Good List! Is Novak an accessory after the fact?

Also, the NOC cover existed at the CIA first. Who at the CIA shared the highly classified information with either the NSC or a principal of the NSC. The WHIG group also included the president's chief of staff, Andy Card. Who authorized, from the NSC, the formation of the WHIG?
More to come...
:popcorn:

[ProfessorGAC]

33. Sorry, No.

Wish it was. But, apparently the law is written very specifically to target the leaker. I've read in very precise language that it's NOT a crime to publish the name. Only to give it to a reporter.
The Professor

[Walt Starr]

56. All Novak could possibly face is perjury

that, and a highly unlikely possibility of obstruction, but that would be pushing it.

[ProfessorGAC]

57. You're Right. Except, I Think He Spilled The Beans

I don't see him falling on his sword. Novak is a conservative for what's in it for him. The ideology is irrelevant. He just wants lower taxes so HE doesn't have to pay for poor people to eat.
The Professor

[Frederik]

38. Thought you didn't believe in conspiracy

;-)

[PurityOfEssence]

40. I wonder what Carville will say if "prissy lips" gets indicted?

The most perplexing relationship in modern times may end if she had a hand in this.

It's hard to like Carville as much as I do knowing that he sticks with this harpy.

[Pachamama]

114. OMG! Your the only poster I've seen who also thinks that Mary Matalin may

be one of the people who had some "loose lips" involved in the outing of Valerie Plame! I've been theorizing about this for awhile...She had a very close relationship with Cheney as one of his advisors and ofcourse her "press connections". Especially since Hubby Carville was on Crossfire with Novak, I kept thinking that it wouldn't have surprised me if she had something to do with this.

It'll be interesting to see....:eyes:

[Blue Gardener]

67. Great List

I'd like to see Jeff Gannon's name on there somewhere.

[Auntie Bush]

134. Dotto..I'd like to not only see Gannon's but Cheney'son that list.

I also think Matlin belongs there two. She's in it up to her LIPS!

Wile I'm at it...I would also include BUSH*. Don't tell me he didn't know what was going on. That's why he is still defending Rove. If they had done this behind his back...his ass would be out of there.

[Ladyhawk]

94. I hope you're right, Walt Starr.

BTW, is this the first time you actually thought somebody might go down? I can't remember your position on earlier scandals. We hoped a lot, but so far, no go.

[Quixote1818]

26. Including perjury and obstruction of justice

"But the Post said legal experts said there are other possible problems related to the case, including perjury and obstruction of justice."


Yep, the cover up is what is going to nail these ass holes. Even if they don't get convicted, indictments are going to be a HUGE black eye on the Bush Administration.

[UCSBLiberalCat53]

36. I hope you're right

but I see the fundies and the Rapture Right saying that this is a test on Bush's faith as an attack by the Satanist liberals that run the country.

[Roland99]

30. I wonder how many members of the WH were at Cooper's testimony??

[wryter2000]

32. Frog march, frog march

We need a frog march smilie.

[ClayZ]

42. On their way to cell block D.

Doin' the Perp Walk
Jim Hinde / Folkbone Productions


World leaders are trying to beseech Bush.

All of my friends are trying to defeat Bush.

I’ve even seen some signs that tell me to impeach Bush.

That ain’t gonna cut it for me.

I won’t be happy ‘til I see him do the perp walk.

Handcuffs and leg irons swingin’ to the perp walk.

Bright orange jumpsuit, stylin’ for the perp walk,

On his merry way to cell block D.

He raided my National Treasury.

Invaded a nation’s sovereignty.

That’s why I won’t be happy ‘til I see him do the perp walk

Exiting the White House, shuffling to the perp walk.

Live on TV, smirkin’ to the perp walk.

That’s democracy for me.

Lest we neglect the Bush Administration,

That gang hell bent for world domination.

Live at The Hague for their humiliation.

That is what I’d truly like to see.

‘Cause I won’t be happy ‘til I see ‘em do the perp walk.

Rove and Rummy marching to the perp walk.

Colin and Johnny dancing to the perp walk,

Getting finger printed on TV.

They acted preeminently,

Searching for those WMDs.

And now I won’t be happy ‘til I see ‘em do the perp walk.

Condoleezza Rice practicing the perp walk.

Bunker bust Cheney and make him do the perp walk.

That’s democracy for me.

But we won’t stop there, with this administration.

Set a precedent for future generations

To not be messin’ with the Peoples reputation.

And that’s the way it oughta be.

If you mess with us you get to do the perp walk.

Don’t matter if you’re rich you get to do the perp walk.

Especially Richard Nixon should have had to do the perp walk.

It’s what we call equality.

That’s the hallmark of grass roots liberty,

And U.S. Constitutionality.

So you Supreme Court Judges ain’t immune to do the perp walk.

Senators and Congressmen take turns to do the perp walk.

This whole damn government may learn to do the perp walk.

That’s democracy for me.

http://www.jimhinde.com/press.asp

[MsTryska]

44. Welcome to term #2!

the honeymoon is over.

[TechBear_Seattle]

45. Truthful... but the *whole* truth?

Inquiring minds want to know!

"White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove has been linked to Cooper but Rove's attorney Robert Luskin said, 'Cooper's truthful testimony will not call into question the accuracy or completeness of anything Rove has previously said to the prosecutor or grand jury,' the Post reported."

"Cooper's truthful testimony." Will he be asked, point blank, "To the best of your knowledge, was Karl Rove's previous testimony in any way less than accurate or complete?" Will Cooper actually tell the WHOLE truth, or only the convenient bits of it? And what is "truth," anyway?

[newyawker99]

74. Hi TechBear_Seattle!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Botany]

86. Welcome!

To DU mental ward. Where the patients get together and talk about
how crazy the doctor is. :rofl:


:beer:

I think you are right ....... something big is about to drop on bush and
company.

[stubtoe]

46. This is so great!

Now that Rove is compromised, all kinds of chickens have come flying around the coop lookin' for their roost. I'm beginning to consider the opinion of some DU'ers that Rove was the lynchpin for the whole administration, the whole time.

This could be a very interesting summer!

[FreedomAngel82]

55. Oh wow

If they're worried then you know there's something going on.

[Zech Marquis]

58. frog march for all of them!

I want all of those bastards led off in handcuffs :evilgrin: straight to jail, no stops for anything!

[sidwood]

63. I've heard rumors that Fitzgerald has found something HUGE

...Like Watergate huge. Something that goes way beyond the original investigation, even to the point of involving the Downing Street memos et al.

Maybe that's just wishful thinking. But wouldn't it be sweet?

[joeunderdog]

97. Downing St Memos dovetail perfectly with the agenda of destroying

the truth in the interest of marching to war. They destroyed their own government operation when they outed Plame--the operation that was designed to assess the threats to our country. (Those fucken hypocrites!) They got rid of the best measure we had of what dangers did and didn't matter. It all adds up to the Bush Admin as being the biggest perp of attacks on our own national security.

The press coulda had this story over 1 1/2 years ago. The refused. The deceipt was the elephant in the room that no one dared write about. Why now? Is it less chic to be at war? Is faking it to go to war out of vogue? This story has been there for the taking for a long, long time, and Miller going to jail is no more shocking of a wrinkle than the first bomb on Bagdhad. I'm still disgusted.

I approach this with cautious optimism. You don't change the corrupt media overnight. There are large forces working against justice out there and it's gonna be tough. The truth hasn't mattered yet...

[RagAss]

68. Sing this to your favorite Republican

"When the truth is found to be lies, and all the joy within you dies"

- Grace Slick 1967

[jurassicpork]

75. It's notable...

...that the press is starting to fight back and that several reporters, who likely won't be given White House access for future shit shovelings and plate spinning, are attcking their "colleagues" on Faux News and McClellan himself. This kind of snideness, however deadon and justified it may be, would have been virtually unthinkable just a week ago. They know that the White House has been treating them like mushrooms all these years and they're going Howard Beale all over McClellan's fat, doughy ass.

Btw, I got my first troll yesterday, someone from DU who obviously doesn't know how to count. It's a comment left at the bottom of my next-to-last posting.

JP
http://jurassicpork.blogspot.com/2005/07/courage-and-loathing-in-white-house.html

[silentrex]

76. So what I want to know is...

Why haven't they been able to stop Patrick Fitzgerald? And how far will he get with this investigation before the cabal tries to do (or succeeds in doing) something major to crush him?

And if they do crush him, can they still crush this entire story with lies and distractions, or will the press actually not snip off that pair some of them apparently started growing this week?

Of course, all bets are off if, as was suggested above, the admin's response is 9/11 Part 2...

[Tommymac]

87. It is just as Bad to stop a Special Counsol...

the political fallout of that would be worse than the cause.

Clinton couldn't stop Starr for the same reasons...it's hard to screw with the Criminal Justice system...even for a corporatist regimes like *'s.

[Trevelyan]

119. I Had Read That A Cloak and Dagger.De Reporter with a Prominent Family was

roughed up by the police (I think Canadian)and arrested for a small amount of marijuana after he reported that the Oligarchy was in a Civil War over whether to continue the suicidal course of THE GRAND CHESSBOARD.

I always though Bush would resign if the Bilderberg told him to, but maybe the Bush Family factions has decided to fight it out which is why Cheney is in his bunker most of the time. The Bilderberg and their network of Illuminati Secret Societies under different names are the only ones who could get past the army of Praetorian Guards Bush surrounds himself with and the elder Bush is not as powerful as he once was.

If Bilderberg told the media not to cover DSM, Rove etc. they would not since they are owned by maybe 8 companies. That and how upset bush was said to be at the Ft. Bragg speech indicates that something big is going on behind the scenes. Fitzgerald was appointed by Ashcroft I heard. (!!??) Someone asked why Ashcroft who held Gonzales position would appoint a "Bulldog" instead of a long time big Bush Family contributer like 911 Chairman Keane.

A large Christian site with many links to what is know about the Bilderbergers:

If you want to find out who has been really running the US Presidency got to http://ww.bilderberg.org/

O8)

[wli]

125. oh come on

There really isn't that much to it. It's just mobsters/etc. getting into and abusing public office for profit.

[janeaddams]

78. Has anyone heard any rumors about the grand jury...

...that's looking in to all this? I know, allegedly, that grand jury deliberations are private (chortle chortle) but back in my cops 'n courts reporting days you could sit in the hallway outside the grand jury room to see them walk in and out....and if you perchance happened overhear what they said on the way to lunch, so be it.

I'm just hoping it's not a bunch of freeper yahoos.... x(

[muchacho]

79. hmm a link to the Moonie times?

the Reps must be in deep caca.

[Tom Joad]

88. Deep dodo, indeed

Anyone want to venture a guess as to when Rove will be indicted and/or resign? Go to http://www.tomjoad.org/rovedeathwatch.htm and give out your best estimate.

I suspect less than a month, things are going kinda fast. What we all want to see is the frog march across the White House lawn, Rove in those pretty bracelets from the Feds.

Bush's cred rating is down by the latest polls (that were done before this really hit the press on Monday)

[Rainscents]

109. Hi Tom Joad!

Thanks for the link!!! Welcome to DU!!!:toast:

[deacon]

95. Someone has to get indicted because there are guilty parties --

there are leakers - and they really should step forward and do the honorable thing and stop being the cowards and traitors they are.

[DouglasRussel]

96. Do you think Republicans have stiff necks...

...from looking the other way for five years???

[Rainscents]

108. LOL... Yeah, you think they would by now.

Welcome to DU!!!:toast:

[indigo32]

98. Dum dum dum dum

Oh yeah... the teflon or blinders or whatever the hell it's been are gonna finally come off this time. This was REALLY stupid of them.

[esvhicl]

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[mvd]

104. I feel rejuvenated by this Rove story

And if it gets too bad, I don't think Rove would hesitate to turn on Cheney, Bush, or whomever.

[scarletwoman]

142. Your aticle is from the Washington (Rev. Moon) TIMES, not the "Post"

Both the Times and UPI are Moonie-owned. They are more likely to be spreading disinformation than facts, and should NOT be considered credible sources.

sw

[Independent_Liberal]

143. Oooooo!!!!!!

They better be scared! It starts out with just one getting indicted and the whole thing starts to unravel.