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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:56 PM
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Poll question: Rovegate - bigger than a blowjob or not?
Now, you all remember the YEARS of feeding frenzy (which I personally believe lives on today) over the scandal of a White House blow job. Now, will the media blizzard on this be worse or not? State your case. I vote Worse, only a nuclear attack would distract.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:58 PM
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1. It will be interesting to see how this goes...
Edited on Thu Jul-14-05 03:05 PM by Stand and Fight
:hurts:

EDIT TO ADD:

I think people may be getting way too worked up about this. While they are ENTIRELY RIGHT to do so and wholly justified, I do not believe that this will be worse than Watergate or even the trite Lewinsky affair. The next issue will come up and as usual the media will turn it's attention elsewhere. How many times in the past has this happened since Nixon with a Republican president and the Right gets away with it? Let's think of Reagan. The Iran-Contra scandal should have destroyed him. Both he and George HW Bush participated in the scandal and the cover-up. I think people are in for a huge disappointment. It is outrageous that these crooks were re-elected in the first place. It is outrageous that they have endured so many scandals. However, based upon what is now known about the case, if they can get away with lying the country into a war, this Rove matter WILL blow over. It hurts a great deal to say that.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 03:10 PM
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7. Politically, it might "blow over"...
Legally, I don't think so. Talking points are not evidence in a court of law.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 03:46 PM
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15. Explain something to me please.
How do you see the terms "political" and "legal" as relating to this situation?
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:45 AM
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20. Quite simply,
Rove may be able to "win" the talking points debate and retain his job "politically", but if he lied to a grand jury, it's perjury, which is a "legal" problem that politics can't help him with. The entire Republican jaw-flap industry can "absolve" Rove of his deeds, but if indicted, he'll have a hard time keeping his job.

This whole "political" and "legal" situation contains a lesson that Bush & Co. haven't learned any better than Nixon and the Plumbers did.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 09:28 AM
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21. Thanks so much.
That clears the issue up a great deal, and I agree with you.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 03:28 PM
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9. But this time there's a reporter in jail
For the press, it's suddenly about them!
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 03:45 PM
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14. I well understand that notion.
Americans are notoriously self-centered, and they seem to rally around a cause when it directly affects them. The American media is no different in that respect unfortunately.

However, I am saying that this situation will not be worse than Watergate in the fact that people will be fired, resign, or otherwise. George W. Bush will finish out his term as president. Richard B. Cheney will complete his term as vice-president. There will be no impeachments. Because of these reservations, this situation is NOT going to be worse than Watergate.

Are the implications worse than Watergate? Yes. Without a doubt this represents the largest scandal that our country has ever faced, because at its root lies the Iraq war. At its root one will find that the "intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy." Since I believe the media will not follow-through to this logical point, George W. Bush and company will succeed in their crimes and evasion of justice.
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Talismom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:59 PM
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2. Depends on how the bj is given!!! n/t
ROFL!:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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jojo54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 02:59 PM
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3. It will be worse because the media now does not trust the WH
or the cabal. They've known all along that there were questionable things going on, but never questioned them. Now the train has started to pull out of the station and they're all hoping on board.
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jmcon007 Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 03:03 PM
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4. Hmmm. That's a good question.
Let's ask George.


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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 03:04 PM
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5. George and his entier staff have morphed into clams
with lockjaw.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 03:07 PM
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6. Worse than Watergate is an understatement.
Compared to a two-bit break-in and the ensuing coverup, "Rovegate" is much more serious and far-reaching. Divulging a CIA operative's identity to several reporters, at least six of them prior to Novak's column being published, proves that the leak was intentional.

Novak's column also revealed another fact - two senior officials leaked the info to the reporters, so we know that Rove did not do this alone, so guess what: it's a conspiracy. Sans theory.

We must not forget that an entire CIA network dealing with WMDs was destroyed by these cowardly traitors. There was nothing unknowing or inadvertent about it.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 03:13 PM
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8. WAY bigger than a BJ...BUT...WAY SMALLER than the DSM!
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 03:31 PM
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11. This should lead right into the DSM as part of the same story
Edited on Thu Jul-14-05 03:31 PM by IanDB1
1) Bush wants to "cook the books" to justify the war against Iraq.

2) Wilson debunks one of the pResident's justifications.

3) Rove blows the cover of Wilson's wife (Valerie Plame) and slanders Wilson.

Now, where does Jeff Gannon fit into all this? If this ties into anal sex in any way, this story will go all the way.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 03:32 PM
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12. 1...2...3... BLAM!
And Gannon fits nicely into Rove.

:puke:
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 04:05 PM
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19. "And Gannon fits nicely into Rove"-- Ewwwwwww
Edited on Thu Jul-14-05 04:11 PM by IanDB1
That's right, Gannon is a top!
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 03:29 PM
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10. Worse in my book.. but to the RW? Fugeddabout it! Rove is a hero!
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 03:34 PM
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13. Worse than a BJ, imo
Edited on Thu Jul-14-05 03:36 PM by bigwillq
But as far as the "media blizzard" is concerned, I don't know if it will be bigger than a BJ unless indictments follow.
I feel, for the most part, the media is doing a decent job with covering this case.
If it gets to the level of the "media blizzard" with the BJ, that remains to be seen.

To me, this is worse than a BJ because of how it affects the well-fare of this country and the implications it may have on this White House.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 03:49 PM
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16. Media blizzard won't be worse. this requires more background
knowledge and actual work.

Also, the owners of the papers and networks aren't too eager to sink Bush.




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formernaderite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 03:51 PM
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17. I think we're one shark attack away from a
new headline....sadly.
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grumpy old fart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 03:54 PM
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18. Too arcane to catch the public's attention, but could lead to bigger fish.
whereas a bj is just a bj. So I voted for "other".
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