If Steve McMahon is the democratic strategist the party sends out

[boston bean]

to go up against Ginsberg, we got a fuckin problem.

Did anyone else see his totally pathetic performance?

[Windy]

1. Yes. He was pitiful.

bad choice

[Al-CIAda]

Pathetic is the word, yes sir. n/t

[Jacobin]

2. It's almost like they try to screw up and be wimps

Sometimes seems that the party is so infiltrated with republican wannabes that we are terminally screwed

[boston bean]

8. he totally poo pooed the whole freakin thing. WTF!!!!!

We got them on the ropes and I want them to stay there.

[Bluebear]

3. I did NOT see his performance but he is usually terrific

What happened?

[boston bean]

5. he agreed with ginsberg that rove did not commit a crime! n/t

[dogday]

4. Wimpy-he said he did not think Rove did anything

why won't anyone bring up Chris Matthews and what Rove told him that Joe Wilson's wife was fair game. That shows his intent for sure...

[boston bean]

6. oh and don't forget this kind of stuff happens everyday in washington! eom

:sarcasm:

edit to add sarcasm

[TacticalPeek]

11. This kind of thing (revealing NOC's ID) happens every day in Washington.

I almost reached in the TV and slapped him about the head and shoulders.

In retrospect, a knee to the groin and a few weeks with duct tape on his pie-hole might be more appropriate.

[boston bean]

13. I agree wholeheartedly. I really was aghast. n/t

[Tommymac]

7. Unfortunely the Networks pick the pairings...

It's not necessarily within the party's ability to control.

[boston bean]

9. he shouldn't be able to call himself a democratic strategist then imho

[Al-CIAda]

10. ...and why would the 'network' (how appropriate) choose him? n/t

(rhetorical quest.)

[boston bean]

12. That's a good question! and I wonder why Chris wasn't there tonite

do you think he was afraid a question might be thrown his way?

[DURHAM D]

14. I think he is back in theraphy and back on meds. Will take a few

days to work.

[Richard Steele]

15. Another DINO pulls a "Great Bluedini" on us.

"It changes color!"

[madfloridian]

16. I did not hear it, but he is usually a powerful voice for us.

That surprises me a lot. Donna Brazille was sort of that way on CNN today as well. Steve is usually very outspoken.

[boston bean]

17. it was really that bad! and Craig Crawford on Keith did just as well. n/t

:sarcasm: for the craig comment

[seabeyond]

21. from the information thus far, it doesnt appear a law is broken

this isnt over. we know there is a lot more out there. we are just starting

[seabeyond]

18. i havent been watching news, but i listened. the guy was being honest

as far as he saw up to this point rove hasnt broken law. and seems to be consensus all the way around. the reporter dude on olderman who is pretty good also said rove hasnt broken law. up to this point he doesnt see him losing job. depends what else is out there

so beat up the guy if you like, mcmahon just wasnt going to lie.

he did good on points and called gingsberg on things. didnt like ginsberg getting the last word

but the guy was fine. just wasnt what people wanted on this board. didnt salivate over roves body.

[boston bean]

20. do you think it was okay to minimize the situation by saying

this type of thing goes on everyday in washington?

[seabeyond]

22. no i didnt particularly like that, but it did make me wonder n/t

[boston bean]

23. I get your point, but joe wilson himself has been out there all day today

and they could have atleast repeated what he said. What would be the harm in that.

I just don't get it sometimes.

[madfloridian]

26. They are all being careful not to say it was illegal.

I think they have to be careful there.

[boston bean]

19. did these alleged democrats play in the sun all day and not realize

all of the work done on capitol hill today. You would tend to think they did. Like they are all living under rocks.

Unless they know something I don't know. But at this point i think this type of strategy sucks. and this type of strategy has made ire go up for approximately 3 years now.

[DireStrike]

24. So who here has written the network asking them not to have McMahon back?

:shrug:

[madfloridian]

25. When McMahon was on Crossfire one day, he got kudos here.

He is usually very outspoken. Did he just refer to the legal aspects? If so, I can see that.

[boston bean]

27. No he was really weak as far as I was concerned.

he didn't call ginsberg out when he said Joe Wilson was the liar.

There is a very easy answer or retort:

"Everything Joe Wilson said about Yellow Cake from Nigers is true. The president even admits that.

I just wonder why they don't say things like that."

[DireStrike]

28. You raise the issue of purity in representation.

In cases such as these, I don't think past performance matters. We have an extremely slim window of influence with these talking heads, and we need to have the most agressive ones, and the ones who most completely represent us most of the time.

There are thousands of personalities anxious for talking-head jobs. If we try high turnover for a while and it doesn't work, there will still be more. If we don't try it, we are stuck with whatever lameasses the network wants to throw up there.

[madfloridian]

29. I did not hear it, not really raising a question.

Steve is usually quite outspoken is all I meant. I noticed that everyone today has been cautious about the use of the words legal and illegal in this case.

Actually that is all I meant.