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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:09 PM
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Republicans please explain how espionage is ok.
Edited on Thu Jul-14-05 07:34 PM by Marnieworld
There's an investigation underway and no one beyond the grand jury really knows what's been uncovered. No one knows for sure if Karl Rove and another "senior administration official" knowingly gave her name and her undercover status so we don't know yet if they are felons according to the Identities Protection Act. Maybe it can't be proven even if he did do it. All we all know is Karl just wanted everyone to know not to believe Wilson because his wife had him sent to Niger. But what I'm still wondering is how exactly did he know that? Have you,the RNC and friends, explained exactly how Rove knew that Wilson's wife sent him to Niger?

How exactly did Karl Rove know that Joe Wilson's wife sent him on that trip? He talked to reporters in July 2003 and the trip was February 2002. How did he know about a moment 17 months earlier that he wasn't present for? I guess somebody at the CIA would know. I'm sure they have a lot of paperwork that somebody as important as Karl Rove could get their hands on with a simple phone call. He wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't learn as much as he could about such a public opponent. I bet that he read that State Department report from 2002, the one from in the Senate Report on Prewar Intelligence July 7th, 2004 (page 40) that said that Valerie Plame was CIA and that she "dispatched Wilson" to Niger and that "she only attended the meeting to introduce her husband and left after about three minutes". He must have read that document because that's what he was telling everybody all over town because he was doing his job. Newsweek and the Wall Street Journal wrote about this INR report in October 2003 if you're not sure what I'm referring to. Here's a link all about it: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/7/13/141246/050 Unfortunately, for Mr. Rove telling reporters that Wilson's wife works at the CIA and sent him to Niger, information he learned from a State Department document, was still a big no-no.

Turns out even if he didn't knowingly reveal a covert operative's identity he still broke a really big law. A very serious law. A law serious enough for the president to hire a private attorney like he did. A law so serious that a group of judges again and again pressed reporters Cooper and Miller to testify to the Grand Jury despite the tradition of the press having protected sources. One judge, Judge Tatel said that the privilege had to give way to "the gravity of the suspected crime." Releasing classified information, identity or not, is a crime of Espionage. That INR report, that Karl wanted everyone to know about so they'd know that the Wilsons were just partisan democrats that had the story about Niger wrong and she sent him to Niger possibly to intentionally get the story wrong, that report was CLASSIFIED. You are not allowed to distribute classified information even if that information lets everybody know that the guy criticizing your boss is a weanie who's wife gets him work. Nope. It's really frowned upon. Even John Dean said, "Leaking classified information is a crime under the Espionage Act with no exceptions for good intentions." He oughta know.

So I can try and believe you that Karl Rove didn't say Valerie Plame's name to reporters and that that actually makes a difference, or that he even didn't reveal or know her covert status. I'll even buy that he's only been 100% truthful to the Grand Jury so democrats shouldn't even whisper anything about perjury. I'll accept every little spin stated so far but what will you say to explain releasing classified INFORMATION?

You're all so organized and unified with your "talking points". It's very impressive. I can't wait to hear how you are going to explain and attempt to minimize the release of classified information to reporters to discredit a political opponent. I wonder if there will be Republicans that will be Americans first and draw the line. Perhaps the press will buy your explanation, perhaps voters will, but will Fitzgerald? Will the Grand Jury? I have a feeling I won't.
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HomerRamone Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:20 PM
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1. Wilson wasn't a Democrat eom
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:25 PM
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3. I noticed that too. But by then he was sorta, kinda acting like one
which is probably enough for Herr Roverer.
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:27 PM
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6. I know that
The Republicans are saying he was, it's a talking point. John Gibson on Fox News says that he was a peacenik who didn't want to find evidence of Sadamm's nuclear program. It's because AFTER they risked his wife's life he campaigned for Kerry.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:23 PM
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2. Brilliant analysis. n/t
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:26 PM
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4. Uh, Popeye seems to like it. It makes him strong on those karttoons.
Sometimes, my mom puts it in my omlitts but I don't like helth food so I give it to my possum when she's not looking. Ahaw-haw.

And you spelt spionage wrong, dum librul.

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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:35 PM
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8. Why do you have to be such a big meanie?
I fart in your general direction. :P
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:45 PM
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11. Sorry, couldn't resist. Great OP.
;-)
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:27 PM
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5. Beautiful -- before and after edit
This is why Fitzgerald has been on the case for 2+ years and isn't giving up. You've captured "the big picture" very clearly.
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:29 PM
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7. It was kinda long
So I trimmed it. Thanks.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:37 PM
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9. I printed out the first version to show friends
because you hit the nail on the head so perfectly -- easier to read your post than to try to explain to them why we shouldn't get stuck on the identity leak part, but focus on the broader issue. Thanks for this!
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:42 PM
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10. Now if only your "friends" were the Democratic leadership
We'd be in business! ;-) When I realized this last night, that the crime is releasing the information and not her name, I felt happier than I have in so long because they've already admitted in the spin of the other crime. It's really beautiful when you think about it. And THAT's why they are making "no comment" now. They're screwed and they know it.

:popcorn:
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:47 PM
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12. I think Lawrence O'Donnell also gets it
His pieces on The Huffington Post site point toward him realizing that this is BIG -- we just need to sit back and let Fitzgerald do his work; he knows what he's doing here.

Brings a smile to my face and a spring to my step. These guys are going down ...
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