I can't remember America ever being this pissed off. can you?

[mopaul]

i remember the bullshit from the 60's very vividly, and folks was quite pissed off back then, but now it's a different kind of seething slow burning pissed, a new kind of pissed.

and EVERYBODY is pissed, on both sides and all sides, not just political junkies but everybody. i see it as a mixed blessing. i'm glad people are pissed but the republican bush supporters are pissed for all the wrong reasons. our pissed offedness is righteous.

but man o man, folks is really pissed right now, i've never seen the like.

[dogday]

1. I just feel like the whole house of cards

is going to come tumbling down.....

[FreedomAngel82]

27. It does, doesn't it??

:) And you can feel it too. Things are definitley different.

[Postman]

2. Truth is on our side.

n/t

[leftchick]

10. I hope so

They have gotten away with so much death and destruction.

[natrat]

28. all the money they stole gets me

[SteppingRazor]

3. I've gotta disagree

Most people are more pissed about the outcome of Dancing with the Stars than the Plame investigation, Iraq, or whathaveyou.

Although, to be fair, I gotta agree -- that guy who played J. Peterman on Seinfeld was robbed!!! ;)

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

4. Nothing divides like using the religion card

W won with divisive politics (aka "moral" issues) via the pulpit. Hasn't history taught mankind any lessons on the deep wounds and hatred that result from putting politics and religion together.:shrug:

[bahrbearian]

5. Like we are in a pressure cooker

[politicaholic]

6. In England "pissed" means drunk...

and I'm pissed about everything!

:beer:

[longship]

7. Nobody taking to the streets yet.

I see similar demeanor that you do. I see lots of passion and firmly rooted, principled positions, especially on the part of the liberals. I see nothing but vitriolic lies and equivocations from the right. But what we don't see is people taking the dialog to the streets at a level that was occurring in the 60's and, especially, in the early 70's.

I wonder why? Especially now when things are beginning to break our way (in a *very* big way). Maybe the Net is our surrogate for the streets. Unfortunately, the Net doesn't really serve the same purpose. It doesn't make headlines. It doesn't bring the issues to the forefront the way that 10,000's of people in one place bringing the issue loudly and proudly to the everybody.

[GeekMonkey]

12. maybe the new 'street' is the internet

we are taking it to the net

[Bake]

25. Takin' it to the Net ain't the same.

Just not the same as takin' it to the streets. If all we do is sign up for the 101st Fighting Keyboarders, more than half of America with no internet access or no give-a-damn doesn't see it.

Until it shows up on the Nightly News, in the streets, it ain't the same. I'm not saying there's no place for blogging, participating in forums like DU (obviously, since I'm here tonight). It is -- and it helps get our message across. But there's something powerful about seeing thousands of people IN THE STREETS protesting.

Bake

[longship]

34. 100,000 in the street

will be on the front page of every single newspaper now. The TV news would cover it, too.

Certainly not two years ago, and maybe not a year ago, probably not even two months ago. But *now* the news would cover 100,000 people in the street.

[AndyTiedye]

26. Taking to the Streets Doesn't Make Headlines Either Anymore

We found that out throughout 2002 and into 2003 when we were trying
to prevent the Iraq war from happening. We had some of the biggest
demonstrations ever held in this country, but it was a non-event as
far as the Republican media was concerned.

[anitar1]

38. Having access to the net is powerful IMHO.

I reach so many more people now and pass on infro--they in turn do the same. It spreads much faster on the net.Media is so controlled now that marching might get a minute on the news , if that.

[tomg]

8. I think you are right.

I was around and active in the mid-to-late 60's and 69-70 was really crazy. But this is really different. The last time differences were more or less polarized by age ( at least at first) and, at least among those in what was amorphously known as the "counter-culture" there were a whole host of cultural/political issues that really made allies of a number of otherwise incompatible groups ( I mean, let's be honest, a shitload of freaks in the 60s simply morphed into yuppies doing blow in the 80s, and a lot of those are simply "I got mine Republicans" today). Now, though, my 89 year-old, veteran of World War II, moderate democrat father and his 25-year-old, tattooed very left grandson are equally angry. Last time it felt like a rebellion. This time it feels like a civil war.

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

17. Welcome to DU

:hi:

[Oversea Visitor]

9. Well

can you recall a time when US is in a bigger shithole then now.

[DURHAM D]

20. Yes, when we invaded Iraq. Difference - most people didn't

know it.

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[Oversea Visitor]

24. Oh

That was when they start digging the shithole. Now they quite deep in hey.

[Jade Fox]

11. Wing-nut radio jocks....

have been stirring the rage of would-be-facists for two decades now.
The Neocons were their chance to see their creepy vision of
America materialize, and it's going down slowly but surely.

Things will get a lot angrier before it's over, I predict.

[dflprincess]

13. Have you read "What's the Matter With Kansas?"

The problem we face is how to make the Bush supporters see that they're pissed at the wrong people over the the wrong issues.

It's time for Moveon or someone to start running ads
flat outtelling people, "Look, while your favorite politicians have whipped you into a frenzy over abortion, Gay Rights and stem cell research, they've been picking your pockets and laughing at you behind your backs."

[yellerpup]

14. Kent State

We were pissed off then.

[cascadiance]

23. Just a matter of time before we have another Kent State...

... or WORSE! I do feel it in my bones too!

Also, another note that gets missed. Back in the 60's the economy wasn't in as bad a shape as it is now, and you don't have quite the same wealth division between rich and poor that you have now. I think that makes these wounds even deeper and makes the internal cultural war here go much beyond just the Iraq War this time around, unlike the Vietnam War, where once they came home, though we had Watergate not too long afterward, a lot of Vietnam anti-war movement wounds healed at that point.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

15. Ever since the lihop.... this exact reality that we are now seeing

has been as predictable as the sun rising in the east... it was only a matter of time before these guys achieved the ire of most of the country.... welcome to the real world karl and co.

[yellerpup]

16. Love your graphic. eom

[proud2BlibKansan]

18. I think the country was angrier

during Warergate. We haven't reached that level yet.

[Yupster]

42. Pretty angry during the Civil War

too. We luckily haven't reached that level yet either.

[proud patriot]

19. "1 nothing's wrong with me 2 something's got to give"

Drowning pool

[bigwillq]

21. Sadly, I don't see ALL of America pissed off

Yes of course we're pissed off and the scum on the other side is pissed off b/c we're getting down to the truth and the media is starting to catch on, some folks on the news shows are pissed off but.......

But I don't really know of anybody outside of the people I mentioned above that are pissed off about this case.

I asked everyone in my department (about 12 people) about the ROVE case and only 1 person knew anything at all about it and we work at A NEWSPAPER, granted in the sports department. I tried to explain a few things but no one cared in my office. They don't like to mix sports and politics.

I agree, everyone should be PISSED OFF. This is a good start we got going. Let's continue to spread the word b/c the people that are not pissed off, just don't know what we know YET!.

[Jose Diablo]

22. You bet we are, practically everyone one way or another

The 60's didn't really have a 9-11. Those towers being hit pissed-off everyone.

Now if there had been a resolution to 9-11, like maybe a legitimate investigation, maybe many would be able to put it down. But that issue is still smoldering.

As for the RW, they got their issues too, being stirred-up by hot button issues.

I think if the truth were known, Bu$h's real agenda is to get all of us, both RW and LW so pissed-off, that there would be rebellion and fighting in the streets. That way they could justify a police state and try to lock everything down while they finish looting all the money and leaving the country prostrate for a foreign invasion.

[stepnw1f]

29. Republicans Are Con Men and Women.

Even as a kid, I could tell they were full of shit just by their attitudes. You learn a lot growing up in a city.

[Ladyhawk]

30. I can't judge, but I will say this is the worst I've seen it...

...in my lifetime. After college, I was mostly apolitical, but in the lead up to the Iraq war, I woke up.

[Danger Duck]

31. There was

that april fools day episode of Sputh Park. What hte hell was tht al about. It still makes me mad.

[anarchy1999]

32. It is just so plain damned simple. DIVIDE AND CONQUER.

Jim Hightower said it best. "HERDING CATS". WE ARE ALL ALL OVER THE MAP. We have so much in common but it is best to keep us seperate with all our own little causes.

Now back to the Christian Right and their focus. STEM CELLs, Terri S, the girl missing in Aruba, many hurricanes coming your way and now, last but not least "HOME GROWN TERRORISTS"! LIVING IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD! WATCH OUT! Oh and for heavens sake let us not forget the abortion issue. Whoops, I forgot the gay issue.

As Jon Stewart says so well ... "BOGGGedY, BOOGGedY DEY!" RUN, BE AFRAID! and by all means, we must start to profile!

[IrkedSerf]

33. The view from Small Tom america

The view from the red area of a blue state , 3 to one * , is one

of a tired populace . As you pass through your day and look people

in the eye you see the same desperation that was here in 1982 .

Tired from worry :


tired worry over health care

tired of worry with keeping their job

tired of worry over their children's future

tired of being politically disenfranchised

tired of seeing what we can be and yet being "taken" in the opposite

direction .

[ultraist]

35. Welcome to DU IrkedSerf!

:hi:

Good point, people are exhausted just trying to survive and seem to have beaten into submission to some degree. Where is the energy and the passion that we had in the 60's?

[IrkedSerf]

36. Thanks ultraist

I think its probally right behind our sence of community , not an online community , but the community we live in . The inovations that have come into our lives, have in a sence
isolated us. Even here in a village the degree of social interaction isn't what it used to be . Yes, we exchange hello's and small talk but more othen than not our lives have us on such a run that .....

Here's what I'm doing at the moment to spread the word , ran acoss this shortly after the 4th of july and have been hading it out as I pass through my day, with the quick phrase "food for thought " . That is after the the Hello and how are ya .

A printed copy of the following :http://uspatriotsunited.blogspot.com/

[tomg]

39. Well, we are older and the younger

people - who generally fuel such movements - are not being drafted. For a mass movement you need troops to be in the streets, and troops need an immediate reason. In 1969, most 18-through-25 year olds had that immediate reason. Part of it also was as much street theatre/ counter-culture/ as much as anything else for many people.
But there is a major difference between then and now. Here the anger cuts across generations, and there is a sense that Bush and Co. are really dismantling everything that creates the potential for a good and just society. There is a real sense of betrayal on a deeply profound level. Johnson, for all his flaws in foreign policy, really tried to build The Great Society. Even Nixon wasn't as treacherous, and that is the only word for this group, as Bush and Company.
In short, when I was 20, I had passion and I had energy. Well, now I'm 55 and I'm angry because I feel betrayed, and anger is much more dangerous than passion.

[merbex]

37. It is simmering waiting to come to a full boil

people do have strong feelings about this but very little discussion because I think people realize relationships will never recover once we all start the real discussion:we were lied to and many many many people bought the lie and they feel foolish,

Ultimately what does that say about them?

[annabanana]

40. Angry "kids" reverberate differently than angry adults...

The fury grew through the kids in the '60's and eventually got everyone's attention. The dynamic is different now. I am thankful for the relatively strong public education system of the post-war years. (And that so many of us remember stuff)

[question everything]

41. One reason is the Internet, blogs and message boards

where everyone can vent, where many, hiding behind the anonymity of the Internet, can behave in a way they would not do in public.

It used to be that people would go to their favorite bars or coffee houses where "everyone knew their name" and would talk and vent, perhaps even smoke a few

But now you cannot smoke in most public places and people moved around so we don't have these neighborhoods so our meeting places are on the Internet.

And we read some flaming post and we get angry and respond and pretty soon we have a war of the words - like the hateful messages about the slide of expensive houses in Laguna Beach http://www.ocweekly.com/ink/05/40/news-arellano.php