Holy Joe Slams Clark

[poskonig]

This is really, really confusing, given where Lieberman has positioned himself politically.

Lieberman Slams Clark Following Debate
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&ncid=703&e=1&u=/ap/20030926/ap_on_el_pr/democrats_debate

< NEW YORK - Igniting a spate of post-debate recrimination, Joe Lieberman (news - web sites) accused new presidential rival Wesley Clark on Friday of taking "a journey of political convenience, not conviction" from the Republican ranks to the Democratic Party. Clark's camp called Lieberman desperate.

...

"I was fighting that reckless economic strategy while Wes Clark was working to forward the Republican agenda by raising money for the Republican Party," the Connecticut senator said. >

[wryter2000]

1. Go away

Go away, Lieberman. You don't own this nomination.

[VolcanoJen]

2. "A Journey of Political Convenience"

Hmmmm... I'd repeat the pot, kettle thing, but I hate cliches...

[Champion Jack]

3. Go Joe Go!!!

Follow Karls script,
we'll make it worth your while...















.

[Cush]

4. Earth to Joe

You vote for just about everything Chimpy does

[EagleEye]

5. Lieberman has a point, I hate to admit.

[KC21304]

9. Joe may have a point, but isn't he just repeating what Kerry said

yesterday ? Let him get his own stuff.

[diplomats]

16. But he didn't have a "point" when he was attacking Dean

did he? Now he's suddenly credible? I hated his attacks on Dean, and I equally despise his attacks on Clark.

[knowledgeispower]

19. The difference is that its true for Clark

This is the first and probably the last time I will defend Holy Joe, but he's just saying what needs to be said. I don't even necessarily discount Clark for it (though it disturbs me), but lets not pretend like he has been a Democrat for more than the last ten days.

[wyldwolf]

26. He voted for Bill Clinton in the last two elections...

[dolstein]

33. So did Lieberman

That doesn't stop people around here from calling him a Republican. And unlike Clark, Lieberman has a liberal voting record on issues ranging from the environment to abortion to gun control to civil rights to consumer rights. When Lieberman says he's pro-choice or pro-environment, he's got the record to back it up.

Personally, I'm perfectly comfortable voting for Clark, and there's a very good chance I'll end up supporting him in the primaries. But Clark's lack of strong ties to the Democratic Party is certainly fair game.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. Where's The Love?

<kisses>

Brian

[HFishbine]

6. This is exaclty why

I'm NOT Anybody But Bush. Lieberman is like the playground thug. First with Dean, now with Clark -- Lieberman insults me everytime he takes on the role of self-righteous arbiter of who is or is not a real democrat. I won't vote for a demagogue.

[soleft]

7. This is too funny - Lieberman, you are pathetic

Criticizing Clark for "expressing support for the Bush administration's policies in a May 2001"

Better than supporting them in 2003 like you are you freaking idiot.

[returnable]

15. LOL

"Better than supporting them in 2003 like you are you freaking idiot."

Great line :toast:

Apparently, Holy Joe must've been still feeling the sting of Sharpton's "old Democrats acting like Republicans" slam...

[diplomats]

17. I wonder if that Sharpton line did get to him

[dolstein]

34. Lieberman's opposed nearly all of Bush's policies

Don't let Lieberman's agreement with Bush over the decision to go to war in Iraq obscure the fact that Lieberman has been a staunch opponent of Bush's economic, energy, environment, judicial selection and civil rights policies. Believe it or not, there really are people out there who care about issues other than Iraq.

[Ruby Newsbee]

8. IMO

They're both correct. Clark entered out of convenience and at the wishes of Clinton. Lieberman is desperate.

[Renew Deal]

14. You are wrong.

You can't help it this morning it looks like. Clark was undecided up until the last week. He has repeatedly said that he is running for the Draft movement. Go watch the video on clark04.com. Of course, you assume that Clark never says what he means.

[Ruby Newsbee]

24. I guess you missed the part about Clinton

encouraging Clark to run on the Dem ticket, didn't you?

I think you assume that I am assuming anything.

[SonofMass]

10. Is this what he was talking about?

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html

[Padraig18]

11. Gratuitous slap at Holy Joe!

Gen. Clark was also writing a book about why BushCo's foreign policy and military adventurism is disastrous, while you were walking around with your nose buried up Commander Bunnypants' backside on everything dealing with Iraq!

Felt good to say, but I'm ashamed of myself for venting! I'll go stand in the corner now.

:evilgrin:

[GainesT1958]

12. That's really trashy of him...

As Al Gore also found out...how many times does "Brutus" have to slam good people before we show him the door? Hey, Wes Clark said absolutely NOTHING about him...why doesn't Lieberman be a good Al From stooge and go back to attacking Howard Dean? Or Gephardt? At least those two have seen fit to mix it up with him already. x(

Boy, he'd better realize it's not nice to pick a fight with someone trained in combat--from a cavalry perspective!:eyes:

All I can think of is that Eagles' song, "Desperado"!

B-)

[FreeperSlayer]

13. Lieberman, please resign

Mr. Lieberman, you are an absolute disgrace. Please resign and join the Party of Evil.

[returnable]

18. Holy Joe...

...also had 120 minutes last night to cough up this hairball while on stage with the General, and he chickened out.

What a surprise.

[TacticalPeek]

23. Touche.

[Julien Sorel]

32. It's probably more the format of the debate than Joe's

putative cowardice. I'm sure Clark had a soundbite already prepared for it if someone tried to hit him during the debate, which would have been a shot heard 'round the world -- and would have helped Clark. Doing it this way set the ground for future attacks, without exposing Joe to the risk of getting burned by a slick one liner.

This is no big deal to me -- it's just 'fighting' Joe Lieberman, playing the hardest ball he can. He's out to win, and that's what they all should be doing. At the least, he didn't pull any cheap shots, like one of the other, more 'Democratic' candidates did.

[Clark Can WIN]

20. Sweet jumpin Jehosiva

Joe and his <just war with a bad name> has sooooooooo much room to talk. Nice to see you slash and burn on the way out Joe. Bye.

[tjdee]

21. Sharpton welcomes Clark, Lieberman disses him--he just doesn't get it.

What does that say? I think that Sharpton was talking about *Lieberman, for one* distinctly, in his welcome to Clark, actually, How hilarious of "Vouchers/Decency/It's great being booed by Democrats" Lieberman!

WHY ARE THEY BOOING YOU, JOE? It's certainly not because you're a commie lefty, geez. Can someone buy Joe a clue??

Though, It's a fair shot, and Clark is going to have to deal with that. I'd rather he deal with it now so that Nader/Bush/anyone can't come around in 2004 talking about how there's no difference, Clark used to be a Republican, blah blah blah.

[dolstein]

35. What does it say? It says Shaprton doesn't have anything to lose.

It's not as if Sharpton has any chance of winning the nomination. If candidates like Dean and Kerry haven't gone after Clark, it's only because they don't see him as the greatest threat at the moment. But give them time.

[tjdee]

38. I think they both have, actually...

I know Dean said something about being "shocked" :eyes: about Clark's supposed waffling on the war, and someone said Kerry did also?

Of course, those who perceive Clark to be a threat will knock him once or twice. But for someone who isn't threatened (Sharpton, random primary voters), it's interesting to see where they come down on this thing for Clark.

[teryang]

22. No offense to anyone but...

...when the body politic is as severely damaged as ours (from fraudulent election outcomes, corruption beyond belief, leadership not worthy of the term and what amounts to little more than dismantling the United States of America for corporate utility), there is a natural urge to seek out the proverbial "man on horseback" to restore order, banish corruption, and limit military disgraces.

For better or worse, Clark is playing this role. Lieberman tried to establish credentials as the conservative on foreign policy democratic candidate. Clark totally displaces his position, substantively and politically. I'm sure Clark is looking good to the CFR as the future manager (as vice president) in charge of the special operations group in the executive office which typically runs the national security IN A REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATION.

[gully]

25. Well somebody outta mention it fer cripes sakes!

I'm giving Clark a chance, but if he just became a Democrat it's noteworthy IMHO.

[Jim Sagle]

27. Of course he does. Clark stole his Republican shtick.

[Demobrat]

28. OMG I agree with Lieberman on something.

Is it time to go drink yet?

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

29. You're not a real Democrat until Lieberman attacks you

Welcome to the Democratic party, Clark!

[PsychoDad]

30. Let me get this right....

It's ok to call yourself a democrat, but talk and act republican and provide a rubber stamp for your republican president, even going so far as to defend his war and attacks on freedom, but not ok to have once supported republican canidates then to have a change of heart and call yourself a democrat and expresses democratic positions?

I think anyone auctally running AGAINST Bush is going to invoke Joe's ire.

I've said it once, I'll say it again. There are no longer any parties, only special interests. Just one grand party - Cash on demand. You can have a voice if you can pay the price. The Demopublicans and the Republicrats- except for a few notible cases the folks and positions are interchangable.

IMHO Clark's weakness and his strength is that he has no public voting record as he has never held public office. All the other canidates we can catch by comparing the record to the sound byte.. but not so easily done in Clarks case.

Saying the above, I will choose based not on party affliation, but by the record, impression and character of the canidate. And so far, the only thing that any of them has going for them at this point that would make them electable is that none of them are George Bush...

Except for Joe, of course.

[Julien Sorel]

37. Ouch!

[neuvocat]

31. I'm going to his site

and just gonna tear his ass a new one!

[carrowsboy]

39. Lieberman

..is such a turd!

[oasis]

40. Joe take your tired ass home and stay there. Who needs you?

[KittyWampus]

41. Lieberman's Just Mad Cause The PNAC Threw Him For Clark

At least that's the spew coming out of some terminally misguided DU'ers keyboards.