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wookie294 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:42 PM
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NBC News reports officials confirm Plame was undercover
Reporter David Gregory said government officials confirmed today that Plame was undercover when her identity was exposed. So, another Republican lie goes down the drain.

It keeps getting better everyday! I love this shit! LOL!

:bounce: :headbang: :woohoo: :applause: :popcorn:
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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:44 PM
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1. Good! Maybe we won't here that Repub talking point any more.
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:30 PM
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38. Maybe. TRUTH doesn't always deter the talking points.

:banghead:

:eyes:

:shrug:
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:44 PM
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2. Love Me Some David Gregory!!!! Go David!!!

He is at the top of my list of reporters that are Telling The TRUTH at any cost.

He is like a bull dog when he asks a question - he is driven!!!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:46 PM
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5. Yeah
it's good to see real independent reporting again. Gives me hope America will return.
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LeahD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:03 PM
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12. Yes! It was great when he grilled McLellan the other day.
He was disgusted and angry with McLellan's stonewalling.
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Donailin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:45 PM
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43. I watched that three times in one day
after I listened to it as it was in progress.

I'm *still* waering that confident grin. To quote 311, "IN YOUR FACE!!!! . . IT FEELS SO GOOD!!!!! :::jumping up and down banging head:::


the best part of all this is watching the party who 'won't comment until the investigation is complete' spin themselves into such a frenzy that their tripping over themselves at this point. You KNOW that Fitzgerald is taking note as well. I was married to a patholigical liar and I know exactly what it looks like when someone gets caught in a lie and starts making up shit to cover their ass. It looks exactly like what we're witnessing now. . . and Fitzgerald has seen this a million times too.

I'm relishing every moment watching them sweat bullets.
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:45 PM
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44. My DU Activist Letter to the STRIB began with praising his actions!
Edited on Fri Jul-15-05 08:49 PM by Tigress DEM
Even though at the time I didn't know if he was the only one, so I made it general. Guess it's time for another letter.

What news organization does Mr. Greggory work for?



My Activist Assignment on the ROVE issue from a different perspective, just in case they are feeling "full up" on ROVE RANTS...
in case anyone is interested.

WARNING - I have included an update about another reporter's death as well - he was killed in Haiti and found 7/14/05.

______________________________________________________________________



RE: Journalism Still Has It!

I loved the way the press on Monday July 11th doggedly asked Scott McClellan the questions I wanted to ask about Karl Rove! It's a pity Scott hid out and wouldn't answer, but at least the press is showing some grit. "Hurray!"

Perfection is a long way off, but when the press is forced to become a squawk box for the administration we ALL lose.

I think it's ridiculous that:

1) The reporter who actually outed Valerie Plame(Robert Novak) hasn't gotten any heat from the courts.

2) The reporter (Judith Miller) who didn't even write an article but whose testimony could partially establish a pattern of wrong doing by those attempting to leak the story is in jail for not revealing her sources.

3) The reporter (Matt Cooper) who nailed the administration to the wall for their LIES was outed by his bosses. Still he was prepared to go to jail if Karl Rove hadn't "rescued" him.

Matt Cooper wrote the TRUTH - as evidenced by the Downing Street Minutes and the fact that the US was BOMBING Iraq months before even asking to go to war. That came out in General Tommy Franks book before anyone had a chance to see the British legal advisor’s report. Distributed with the Downing Street Minutes - the report said the US was bombing illegally at that time, many months before Congress was even asked.

"Going" to war was literally a "done deed" many months old prior to the Downing Street Minutes.

Matt didn't lie. Joe Wilson didn't lie.

Karl Rove did. Scott McClellan did.

Unless Bush fires Rove, he's a liar.

Novak may be telling the truth as it seemed to him at the time... but it's just "convenient" enough to qualify for a "weasel" to me.

Novak openly admits that he was asked by a CIA official to NOT mention her name, but somehow he just felt he "had" to do it.

As a trained investigative reporter how was it that he couldn't connect the dots and realize that exposing someone who had worked under cover in the CIA would endanger her life? Any 8 year old kid who watches cop shows knows you don't blow someone's cover.

Last words: If WE THE PEOPLE want Media to be the Fourth Estate, WE need to STAND Behind them and Speak UP for Shield laws. We must also pursue prosecution for wrongful deaths to those in the Media just doing their job getting at the truth and holding it up for our review.

63 journalists* and media assistants** have been killed in the line of duty since the start of the war in Iraq 3 years ago.

It took TWENTY YEARS to kill that many reporters in Vietnam. TWENTY YEARS.

How many reporters will die because of Iraq in the NEXT TWENTY YEARS if WE THE PEOPLE are too cowardly to PUT A STOP TO IT? September 24-26, Washington DC, BE THERE. Let YOUR VOICE be HEARD.

*(47) **(16)

--------------------------------------------


Sad footnote: In Hati Yesterday another journalist was found murdered.

http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=14384

<clip>
Haïti15 July 2005

Dismay at murder of kidnapped journalist Jacques Roche

Reporters Without Borders voiced shock and outrage today at the "barbaric and heinous" murder of Jacques Roche, the editor of the daily Le Matin's arts and culture section, whose handcuffed body was found in a chair on a Port-au-Prince street yesterday, four days after he was kidnapped. He had been shot several times and his body bore the signs of torture. "The Haitian press has just lost a renowned journalist and Haiti has lost a leading advocate of its culture, and we call on the authorities to find and punish his murderers" the press freedom organisation said. "We also hope that with MINUSTAH's help, they will succeed in curtailing the prevailing violence and anarchy, in which journalists inevitably number among the victims."


_______________________________________________________________


Source Material

*(47) **(16) http://www.rsf.org/special_iraq_en.php3 >

Novak's Response
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Plame#Exposure_of_Plame_by_Robert_Novak

<snip>
At the CIA, the official designated to talk to me denied that Wilson's wife had inspired his selection but said she was delegated to request his help. He asked me not to use her name, saying she probably never again will be given a foreign assignment but that exposure of her name might cause "difficulties" if she travels abroad. He never suggested to me that Wilson's wife or anybody else would be endangered. If he had, I would not have used her name. I used it in the sixth paragraph of my column because it looked like the missing explanation of an otherwise incredible choice by the CIA for its mission."

<snip>
In other interviews Novak confirmed that his sources warned him not to mention Plame. His motivation to disregard the warnings is suggested by this comment in "The CIA Leak:" "I was curious why a high-ranking official in President Bill Clinton's National Security Council (NSC) was given this assignment." Just four days before he revealed Plame's name Novak wrote, "Bush's Enemy Within." Therein Novak excoriates the Bush Administration's appointment of Frances Fragos Townsend to an important national security post explaining she could later betray Bush because two of her former superiors were liberal democrats and she had served in the US Attorney's office in Manhattan. According to Novak this office was "notoriously liberal laden."

(In Novak's own words - his outing of Valerie was purely based on political reasons, an apparent attitude that to be liberal is enough to make one betray others.)

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1660300_2,00.html

<snip>
Elizabeth Wilmshurst, one of the Foreign Office lawyers who wrote the report, resigned in March 2003 in protest at the decision to go to war without a UN resolution specifically authorising military force.

Further intensification of the bombing, known in the Pentagon as the Blue Plan, began at the end of August, 2002, following a meeting of the US National Security Council at the White House that month.

General Tommy Franks, the allied commander, recalled in his autobiography, American Soldier, that during this meeting he rejected a call from Condoleezza Rice, the national security adviser, to cut the bombing patrols because he wanted to use them to make Iraq’s defences “as weak as possible”.



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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:44 PM
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3. David Gregory rocks my world!
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:46 PM
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4. and was that Andrea Mitchell saying that on there, too?
the one that is usually pro Republican due to her hubby?
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wookie294 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:48 PM
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8. No, I didn't see Andrea n/t
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:06 PM
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13. She disappoints with her ugly self and ugly husband

What did she say?
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zinndependence Donating Member (177 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:09 PM
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19. that's mean...
I watched her on Hardball today...I think she did a good job.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 07:26 PM
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30. I watched her on Imus defending the Chimp

and I have watched her many times before.

I was shocked because I thought she was "fair and balanced" - don't think so.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 07:40 PM
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31. Was it Reid that said her hubby was..
the biggest political hack in Washington. She's running a pretty close 2nd.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:33 PM
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40. I agree
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 09:19 PM
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47. If she did, it'll be the first time since 2000
She's a * tool. She was good, once upon a time, but she sold herself to this admin. by being married into it. Talking point after talking point drips out of her mouth. It's horrendous.
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:46 PM
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6. David Gregory is quickly becoming one of my new heros.
I'm going to drop MSNBC (and David) a note to let them know how much I appreciate himm over the last several weeks.
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Imalittleteapot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:23 PM
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24. He's quickly becoming a real journalist. n/t
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Donailin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:47 PM
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45. seriosly, who has gregory's email so we can all pay homage??
we gotta thank him like DU knows how!
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:47 PM
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7. Scratch another talking point off the list Mehlman. n/t
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:50 PM
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9. HOLY SCHAMOLEY! THIS IS DAMN CLOSE TO THE LEVEL OF TREASON!
And if your read the statutes, the death penalty can be sought in treason cases like this!
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:07 PM
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14. May ROVE RIP nt
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:12 PM
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21. Walt, at first I was thinking perjury at best...
Now, I'm beginning to think there's quite a bit more going on here.

This is getting very interesting.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:31 PM
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39. Yes, it most definitely is. Now, add to it the fact that Plame's....
...global network was also totally compromised keeping the CIA from being able to track the materials used in WMDs.

THAT is VERY serious, and really is tantamount to treason.
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:53 PM
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10. Any speculation on whether former Pres Bush (Sr), ex-CIA director,
has a hand in any of this?
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Child_Of_Isis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:57 PM
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11. I have been wondering this myself. n/t.
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:08 PM
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15. Came to mind when I read this...
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: George H. W. Bush receives daily CIA briefings.

"One of the people who corresponded with {former ambassador Joseph} Wilson is George H. W. Bush, the only president to have been head of the C.I.A.-- he still receives regular briefings from Langley." Vicky Ward, “Double Exposure,” Vanity Fair, January 2004.

Former President Bush has made efforts to keep abreast of foreign affairs, partly by exercising his right to be briefed by CIA personnel about developments around the globe. Ha'aretz, “George Bush Sr. Vouches for Son's Support of Israel to the Saudis”, July 16, 2001.

http://www.michaelmoore.com/books-films/f911reader/index.php?id=19

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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:09 PM
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16. Poppy is in the Middle of Everything


Didn't he make a evening visit to Cheney's office on 9-10.

HE is the Godfather!
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toska Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:12 PM
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20. My guess is no
I can't remember where I read it, but I thought Wilson had sent an article he had written to Bush Sr and received a positive response. My gut tells me that Poppy is probably disgusted with all this. He knows how dangerous it is to burn an operative and their whole front-company.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:09 PM
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17. They lost that little talking point rather fast, didn't they?
:bounce:
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Tommymac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:09 PM
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18. Thanks! Is there a link for this yet?
Or a video clip online?
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wookie294 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:13 PM
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22. Maybe here
Scroll down, bottom right.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/

It says you can listen in audio to each night's newscast.
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wookie294 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:16 PM
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23. Link
Drop this audio link into your mp3 player....

http://podcast.msnbc.com/audio/podcast/nightly-07-14-2005-165539.mp3

At the end of David Gregory's report, while talking with the anchorman, he says he confirmed with the government that Plame was undercover.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 11:06 PM
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25. I'm very confused though
This is from the CNN transcripts with Blitzer and Wilson:
<<snip>>
BLITZER: But the other argument that's been made against you is that you've sought to capitalize on this extravaganza, having that photo shoot with your wife, who was a clandestine officer of the CIA, and that you've tried to enrich yourself writing this book and all of that.

What do you make of those accusations, which are serious accusations, as you know, that have been leveled against you.

WILSON: My wife was not a clandestine officer the day that Bob Novak blew her identity.

BLITZER: But she hadn't been a clandestine officer for some time before that?

WILSON: That's not anything that I can talk about. And, indeed, I'll go back to what I said earlier, the CIA believed that a possible crime had been committed, and that's why they referred it to the Justice Department.

She was not a clandestine officer at the time that that article in Vanity Fair appeared. And I have every right to have the American public know who I am and not to have myself defined by those who would write the sorts of things that are coming out, being spewed out of the mouths of the RNC...

<<snip>>

So, Wilson says the day Novak blew her identity she was not a clandestine officer. I'm so confused! Another head-scratcher.
:shrug:
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wookie294 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 11:20 PM
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26. Hmmm
The same interview:

"WILSON: I received this on October 25th, 2002, at the very beginning of the serious debate on what U.S. policy toward Iraq should be, eight months after I made a trip to Niger, and eight months before my wife's identity was compromised."

So, Wilson is saying his wife's identity was illegally released in June of 2003 (eight months after Oct. 25 2002). Novak revealed the name of Plame in his article written on July 14, 2003 -- one month later.

It appears that Wilson is saying his wife's name was illegally revealed to reporters in June, but nobody wrote a column about it until Novak did one month later. Her covert status was blown when someone in the White House began leaking her name to reporters in June, not July, of 2003.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 11:33 PM
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28. Thanks, I didn't catch that-- n/t
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wookie294 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 11:37 PM
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29. Thanks to you, too
I didn't know about that little wrinkle you found. I bet reich wingers are making hay over Wilson's statement that his wife was not covert on the day Novak's article came out. But she was no longer covert because she was outed to reporters BEFORE Novak's article was published.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 07:56 PM
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34. As Wilson explained today...
Plame was covert up to the point that Novak blew her cover. Thus she was no longer covert on the day the Novak published her name.
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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 07:41 PM
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32. Well it was really 8.5 months and he said 8 ... (nt)
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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 07:43 PM
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33. It's one of those awkward sentences that's already been clarified
WILSON: My wife was not a clandestine officer the day that Bob Novak blew her identity

Meaning ... The day that Bob Novak blew her identity, my wife was not a clandestine officer.

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XNASA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:16 PM
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35. Wilson explained that quote today.
The RW has already tried to hammer him on that point. What he meant was, 'the day that Novak blew her cover, she was no longer clandestine'. That would also explain the 'no comment' in in Wilson's last line.
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:35 PM
Original message
This was explained in mediamatters.org - the AP withdrew the story
Wilson was saying that his wife wasn't undercover as soon as Novak published his column exposing her.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:39 PM
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42. Wilson's point is very clear...are you willfully confused
Wilson is saying that the MINUTE her identity was revealed, her cover was blown, and she was THEREFORE no longer clandestine. How fucking hard is that for you to understand?
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 11:23 PM
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27. Is sure is great to see the media with a spine on this
It might actually get me watching them again. This is something that doesn't help the media conglomerates, so most of them are deciding to go after the story.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:35 PM
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41. IMHO, the media hasn't grown a spine....it is the corporate owners .....
...of the mainstream media that have decided that enough is enough, and they have unleashed the press for the first time in more than a decade.

It's going to get very interesting from this point forward.
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:28 PM
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36. David Gregory! ROCKS!!


:bounce: :bounce: :yourock: :applause: :headbang: :pals:
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:30 PM
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37. Take that Mehlman!
and stfu!
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patrioticliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:58 PM
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46. KICK
This is so important I am kicking it

REPEAT REPEAT REPEAT
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 09:21 PM
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48. Bye Bye Freeper Egos!!! (NT)
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