Didn't Rove go NUTS when protesters once showed up at his home?

[DesEtoiles]

Something like - how dare they violate my privacy and scare my kids!

[Maat]

1. Yes.

Came out and yelled at a lady - said she was scaring his kids. She came right back at him about how he was scary himself.

[cynatnite]

2. I may dislike rover to the ninth degree...

but I would never go to his home to protest.

[madeline_con]

3. Here's a CNN story...

Group protests outside Rove's house
Monday, March 29, 2004

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/03/29/rally.rove/


:evilgrin:

[cynatnite]

4. Thanks for that...

Going to his home was out of line, IMO. The kids should not have to be subjected to that sort of thing.

[noamnety]

6. Given how he treated McCain's kid

it is a little hard to be properly sympathetic.

[cynatnite]

12. so his kids are given the same treatment?

rover's an asshole. We know that, but it's just plain wrong to make his children pay for the crimes of their father.

[noamnety]

18. I know you're right

It's just hard on a personal level to have a lot of sympathy, is all I'm saying, because we all know he'd go after any of our families in a heart beat if he had anything to gain, or even if he didn't.

McCain, Wilson, the families of fallen soldiers, Iraqi civilians, abstinence flunkies dying of AIDS, people having to cut their medication in half, poor kids being used as pesticide guinea pigs, New Yorkers sent back in to cancerous air so he could reopen the stock market a day or two earlier, all the patients that weren't Terri Schiavo that were trying to die in peace with the circus outside their windows ...

I'm not saying I would protest at his house, but in the grand scheme of things, with all the families he has helped destroy, it's harder than normal to "put myself in his shoes" so to speak and be distraught because his kids were exposed to some protesters for a few days.

[cynatnite]

24. It doesn't mean we have to be like him or adopt his tactics

That's the hardest thing I have to swallow about all of this. I for one do not believe for one instant that we have to be like them or take on their tactics. It lowers us and the very idea of even considering it sickens me.

We can fight, but on our terms. We can make them fight on our terms, too. Force them to fight us on facts and smile when it turns into a personal attack.

[fob]

10. Unfortunately with all the things he has done against the rest of the

citizens that bastard's entire family is "fair game".

Nonviolent of course, but HIS actions have put us ALL in jeopardy, a little discomfort at his house is small potatoes*.

[cynatnite]

13. Go after the criminal! Not the criminal's family n/t

[fob]

14. I wouldn't call protesting in front of his house 'going after' his family

I'm just saying that if his family get's a little 'put out' by a friggin protest, that's just too damn bad.

[two gun sid]

16. I'm with you on that...

If Rove doesn't like it, tough shit, get out of public service. Those same little brats will no doubt use dad's connections in government and business to get ahead in life.

So what if they see a couple of folks with picket signs in front of their house. There are a whole helluva lot of worse things kids all over the world wake up to everyday as a direct result of the policies their daddy advocates.

[cynatnite]

21. So it's okay for kids to pay the price for their father's crimes? n/t

[two gun sid]

33. If I wanted the kids to pay for Rove's crimes...

I would advocate locking them up in prison along with Karl and his wife. I'm not supporting that. I just don't see how a few protestors have hurt his childrens tender sensitivities.

I think Karl will use anyone or anything for political advantage. Including his kids.

[mitchum]

39. Certainly, if they are going to profit from their father's crimes...

and you KNOW they will.
No quarter.

[cynatnite]

40. What do YOU know about his kids?

How do you KNOW they will profit from his crimes?

[mitchum]

42. Well, if you wish...

we can make a little wager...
And I should be collecting in about 10 to 15 years. Are you game?

[smirkymonkey]

49. He was using his "kids" as an excuse.

Besides, he doesn't have kids, he has demon spawn. Also, I thought he only had one of them.

If he were ever in mortal danger he would probably take said kid and use him as a human shield.

[cynatnite]

17. What about those wacko protesters outside of Schiavo's hospice?

The protesters look more like unfeeling jerks when going to rover's home where his children live just like those jerks who protested outside the hospice.

Is it okay to protest at someone's home when they are with their family? Why does his family have to be subjected to this? Should they be held guilty by association?

This is just plain offensive to me and I do not understand it at all.

[YOY]

19. I agree

That "sins of the father" crap is for the RW nutjobs.

[two gun sid]

23. I had no problem with the Schiavo protestors...

except when they tried to enter the hospice to take Ms. Schiavo water or remove her. That was wrong.

Have you ever wondered how many of those Schiavo protestors were there at the request of Rove to help Jeb's political career? I have.

[cynatnite]

26. No, I considered the protesters beneath contempt

they went to protest someone's death at a place where people go to die. They had no compassion for those who had nothing to do with the Schiavo fiasco yet still paid the price just by the fact that they were there.

Family members were subjected to signs calling hospices concentration camps with swastikas plastered on top of it.

[fob]

32. Very different things. Schiavo is/was a PRIVATE citizen, rove is

a PUBLIC official who has through his OWN ACTIONS put ALL Americans in harms way. He blew an agent's cover for petty political gain and went so far as to declare her "fair game". As for protesting at their home with his family, I'd say all of America is a Free Speech zone and as uncomfortable as his children may be made to feel, imagine how Cindy Sheehan and her family feels.


What I don't understand is your transference of protesting rove at his home with an attack on his children. I'd think rove may be smart enough to realize his actions come with consequences and if his family is affected HE can make it all go away with finally bearing responsibility for his actions.

I understand your reaction, the combo of "protest in front of little kids" is a pretty icky idea, but I think this is much deeper than a black and white view of it may reveal.

[cynatnite]

37. protesting at someone's home where their family is goes beyond acceptable

I don't understand where you got transference from.

Fact of the matter is, his family doesn't set policy, his family didn't pick his job, his family isn't outing CIA agents or any of the underhanded shit rover's pulled.

If you agree it's an icky idea, then how can it be justified? How can we sit here and say that because rover is so bad it's okay to go to his home where his wife and kis live?

This particular protest leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Public officials do have private lives. Whether we like them or not.

I do know if I had that many protesters outside my house with signs yelling it would scare the hell out of my kids.

[fob]

51. The transference is from the talk of protesting him at his residence

to you practically saying it's an assault on his family. It is not. I said the general idea is icky, but there are specific applications where there are greater themes that cover any feelings of discomfort that may be visited upon his family. This is such a case.

You know full well this crew doesn't allow protestors anywhere near their "public" events and for sure not near there private events, so when they actively curtail civil protest then the protest has to happen where it can, HE has led the situation to his front door.

As for protestors outside my house that affected my kids, I wouldn't be so anti-democratic as to allow that situation to develop in the first place. And if it happened anyway, I would go out to THEM and then agree to meet them in a public place, I would not hide behind my family and whine about it(like rove complaining).

[oneold1-4u]

45. If one can't get the "mud" off

Then it is carried into the home! This man carries a lot of cruddy mud on himself wherever he goes. If he doesn't want it at his home, then he should reside elsewhere. That might keep a bit of the "soiling off of his family members!

[mitchum]

36. Absolutely! That sonofabitch doesn't mind other people's children...

DYING. Big deal if his brats are a little upset by the "scary people" outside their luxury home. Maybe their pig of a father should have chosen another line of work.

[cynatnite]

38. yeah, the kids pay for the sins of the father and all that

:eyes:

[FreedomAngel82]

46. And that's what

he said about Wilson. :mad:

[ConsAreLiars]

25. If his kids ever understand the evil their father (?) has done, that

is the time they will really need sympathy and support. In the meantime, having a psychopath as a parent, they deserve a little "heads up" regarding the monster in their house, don't you think?

[cynatnite]

27. What makes you think they'll believe a bunch of strangers with signs? n/t

[ConsAreLiars]

29. Just something that might give them a hint. Do it for the children! nt

[cynatnite]

30. keep on justifying...it doesn't change what it is...wrong n/t

[ConsAreLiars]

50. Oh, I think the 15 yr old boy can handle a little bit of the truth. You?

Compare that one child's trauma - call it collatoral damage or a wake up call - to the 50,000 children (a very conservative estimate) slaughtered in Iraq by Rove and the rest of them, and the uncounted maimed. I think that one kid needs to see the blood on his father's(?) hands, and maybe you need to be reminded as well. Since you seem to have lost all sense perspective regaqrding right and wrong, go here for a refresher: http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

(edit to fix chopped header)

[Stinky The Clown]

28. As if he cares about you, your kids, or even your social strata .......

I'm not in favor of protesting at his either. It is wrong ....... but the fact is, he deserves nothng. Not a fucking thing.

Sure his kids are innocent. So were the kids of the parents who lost them in Iraq.

[hnsez]

5. Even traitors are loved by their kids

[cynatnite]

7. Yes

they didn't ask to be born in that family. Why subject them to the same shit we give rove?

How can anyone justify scaring the hell out of children just by the fact of who their father is.

[norml]

8. I once posted Rove's address and phone number here

but then it was removed.

It's easy to find such things online with a simple search.

[YOY]

9. Hot Karl HAS KIDS???

Jeez...poor kids. Hope he doesn't love them like he loves his country.

All joking aside...hope they don't develop too many issues over their daddy's misdoings. I'm sure it won't be easy for them. Guess he should have considered that before...

[kestrel91316]

11. Rove has kids???? As in married and a father????

I think I am going to lose my dinner at the idea of some woman letting that creep touch her.

[OKDem08]

15. that is a perfect place to protest!

keep the pressure on!

[cynatnite]

22. I have no sympathy or compassion for those who protest...

at someone's home where their family is. None.

[mitchum]

41. We heard you the first time...

and the second...and the third...
Maybe the Rove brats need a clown for their birthday parties?

[kodi]

20. exactly, in their faces 24/7

the right did it during the bourgeoisie riots in florida during the recount in miami-dade. and if they can do that sort of thing, so can the left.

[Bouncy Ball]

31. The only thing in that story about the protest last year that mentioned

his kids was one of the protestors saying "sorry we disturbed his kids, but..."

Now, I have NEVER heard mention of Rove kids and even if he DOES have kids, how old are they? His wife is at least in her 50s.

So WTF? This may be an argument over nothing. We don't know that he HAS kids. And if he does, what are they, teenagers?

I'm not advocating protesting in front of his house, but this whole argument about his kids may just be irrelevant.

[Stinky The Clown]

35. He does have kids ... a son, at least

I have no link, but he took his kid with him on some trip recently and there was a story, and if I recall, a photo of the lad. I think he also has a daughter.

And I also think his wife is younger than 50 ... but I could be wrong abut that.

Again, all of this is from memory, but I don't think mine is all that bad .... yet.

[two gun sid]

44. Here's a link

http://www.nndb.com/people/353/000022287/

[notadmblnd]

48. Thanks, looks like a very cool site

here's a funny snip about rove

A political visionary, Rove recognized early on that he had the opportunity to leech onto not one, but two failed, third-rate presidents in the form of what is comically referred to as the "Bush Dynasty." Rove worked as an assistant to George Bush Sr. in the Republican National Committee during what is arguably the lowest point in the history of the Republican Party, the aftermath of the Nixon presidency.

For the next decade or so, Rove kept his nose buried up the ass of the nearest Bush. He helped George Jr. embarrass himself in a 1978 congressional bid, then bailed out of Bush Sr.'s first and failed presidential bid in 1979.

He maintained a close buddyship with the future president Junior, however. In a high point of Time Magazine's history of powerful journalistic coverage, a 2001 report revealed that George W. Bush's pet name for Rove is "Turd Blossom." No, really.

Rove helped Bush Jr. transform himself from rich-dilletante wastrel into rich-dilletante-wastrel-with-power in 1994, acting as his political adviser in Dubya's successful run for Texas governor. According to ABC News, more than half of the campaign's nearly $1 million budget went to Rove. Considering the challenge of making Bush look good, the sum was probably not out of line.

forgot link
http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/usa/karl-rove/

[Aplomado]

34. Yes

he did. His house doesn't even look that nice.

[DesEtoiles]

43. Mr. Rove, respect is a two-way street.

[oneold1-4u]

47. I double that

How much respect do children have when their father goes to jail or even if he only should go to jail?