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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 02:28 AM
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Madsen info #2: ROVEGATE
Edited on Fri Jul-15-05 02:30 AM by steve2470
fwiw, it's Madsen.

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/


July 14, 2005 -- ROVEGATE -- The Republican National Committee, through Chairman Ken Mehlman and an RNC media hack named Carolyn Weyforth, are continuing to smear Amb. Joseph Wilson and his wife in a carefully coordinated campaign being staged out of the White House. Karl Rove, a "person of interest" in the criminal investigation being conducted by special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, is directing the smear campaign -- one of Rove's particular talents. A number of Republicans, including disgraced former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and the mentally unbalanced Republican Representative from Long Island, Peter King, are now stating that Wilson was incorrect about what he found in Niger. Here, the Republicans are basing their assertion that Iraq attempted to procure yellow cake uranium (uranium oxide) on proven forged documents -- forgeries that are also the subject of Fitzgerald's investigation and which may ultimately lead to a close foreign policy adviser to Karl Rove. The record on the purported attempts by Iraq to obtain uranium from Niger is solid and backed by facts.

Wilson is one of the few U.S. diplomats whose resume includes "Africanist." Fluent in French, a former ambassador to Francophone Gabon, the head of the Africa desk at the National Security Council, and political adviser to the European Command in Stuttgart, which includes Africa in its AOR (area of responsibility), Wilson is highly-respected in Africa. Furthermore, his first Foreign Service embassy posting was Niger and he has maintained close relations with Nigeriens ever since. And even better, Wilson was America's last envoy to the Saddam Hussein government. It is doubtful that many U.S. diplomats have extensive experience in both Baghdad and Niamey -- the two ends of the neocon fantasy about a uranium pipeline.

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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 02:33 AM
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1. OMG. The Update directly STATES it was CHENEY.
Edited on Fri Jul-15-05 02:37 AM by Carolab
{snip}

A knowledgeable CIA source has confirmed that Valerie Plame Wilson was a covert non-official cover (NOC) up until the day she was outed by Robert Novak -- July 14, 2003. Actually, Novak's syndicated column was on the Creators Syndicate wire and Plame's identity was known to news editors across the country at least a day before it appeared in print. Contrary to what the RNC, the White House, and Republicans in Congress are spinning, Vice President Cheney asked a CIA briefer during the July 6 President's Daily Brief about Wilson's OP-ED in the New York Times that appeared that morning about the envoy's trip to Niger on behalf of the CIA. When pressed, the briefer mentioned to Cheney that Wilson's wife worked for the agency's Counter-Proliferation Division (CPD). CIA insiders are reporting that upon hearing that, Cheney told Rove about Plame. Rove then laid his plans to smear Wilson and his wife through friendly and cooperative journalists like Novak and others. The CIA's Damage Assessment Report is in the hands of the Senate Select and House Permanent Select Committees on Intelligence. In another indication of its devastating nature, it is believed by insiders that if the damage report, in any way, exonerated the Bush administration, it would have been released by Intelligence Committee Republicans long ago. And in an indication that congressional Republicans are concerned about potential leaks of the Damage Assessment Report, they responded to Democratic initiatives to remove Rove's clearance with a threat to strip Democrats on the Senate and House Intelligence Committee of their own clearances.

{snip}

But Rove, Cheney, and Scooter Libby knew of Plame's status and leaked all of what they knew to the media.

**********
I knew it. Miller is covering for Cheney.
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yowzayowzayowza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 03:03 AM
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2. Question is:
If Miller waits out the GJ, does the prosecutor have enough to charge HER with conspiracy? or something else perhaps?

Does he have another route to break into the information chain?
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 03:10 AM
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3. He can charge her with criminal contempt which
carries a much stiffer penalty and that might change her mind about testifying. I think he could also call her as a hostile witness if this mess comes to trial.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 05:04 AM
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5. But Joe Wilson just said his wife was not a covert operative
on the day Novak revealed her identity.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 07:26 AM
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9. that is what CBS news is reporting also
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/07/15/politics/printable709298.shtml

on this mornings news. Says its source is a CNN interview. First i'm hearing of it.

dp
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 03:42 PM
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10. That's a distortion of what he said.
He meant that ON THE DAY Novak outed her, she was NO LONGER covert--BECAUSE he outed her.
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yowzayowzayowza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 03:55 PM
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11. AP retracted that story:
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 04:04 PM
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13. Don't believe everything you hear
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=50427

just another trick by the RW to smear and confuse
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plcdude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 04:18 PM
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15. where is this update from
could you provide a citation please?
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 10:19 PM
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17. It's on the same page as the original post link. Scroll down. n/t
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 03:20 AM
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4. I figured Libby, but not Cheney.
He must be totally mad. A sitting vice president doing such a thing is incredible. No wonder the WH is stonewalling. They've got to cover for a totally insane man.

I knew that Cheney had the evil character to do this, but I never figured that he would be an overt part of it. This is the type of thing you whisper to your underling in private, expecting them to take the fall for you if and when it is discovered. But to actually expose yourself (trust me, I mean figuratively...Shudder!) like this is a real risk. Furthermore, it involved the press as a willing partner to the crime. We knew about Novak's politics, but what does it say about the alignment of Ms. Miller? Is she protecting Cheney?

Creepy things are happenin'


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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 07:00 AM
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8. "Cheney had the fever" -Colin Powell n/t
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 04:01 PM
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12. I don't think he is crazy at all- he is...
completely self assured that he can do
anything he wants and no one will touch him.

I mean LOOK at the BILLIONS of dollars he has
bilked out of our country- NO consequence,
so what's a CIA agent here and there.

The guy is THE model of absolute POWER.
He doesn't give a flying shit about this country
or anything else-
it is ALL about POWER.
Getting, keeping and maintaining POWER
at any cost.
A very scary guy indeed.

I would guess the folks who REALLY know
what's going on are hiding in a cave somewhere
in fear for their lives because they know he would
not think twice about doing whatever it takes to
keep them silent.
BHN
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 04:20 PM
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16. Cheney is by far the creepiest of the neocons.
When he finally (please God) dies, I hope there is an autopsy to determine whether he is actually a human being. He sure doesn't act like one.
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 05:18 AM
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6. Whoops! But I've always wondered, why did he wait so long?
We started dropping bombs in March. Why did he wait so long to write an editorial that was published, when May, June? Why?
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 06:08 AM
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7. Kick! nt
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 04:14 PM
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14. Seems like Bolton has got to be involved somehow
Bolton The Fixer
John Prados
June 09, 2005

...The heart of the matter lies in the months before the Iraq war. The evidence shows that Bolton at the State Department acted in parallel with the Office of Vice President Richard Cheney at the White House and with the Office of Special Plans at the Pentagon—the unit created by Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas J. Feith. The combination of their efforts had a chilling effect on the U.S. intelligence community, particularly that unit of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) that would be responsible for actually crafting the top level report, called a National Intelligence Estimate (NIE), on Iraq.

Cheney focused directly on the Iraq intelligence, the allegation that Saddam Hussein’s regime was busily producing weapons of mass destruction. The vice president actively participated, visiting CIA headquarters to press analysts on their data, pushing back when CIA brought him Iraq items in the President’s Daily Brief reports, and sending his chief of staff I. Lewis Libby out to CIA to underline Cheney’s demands. Not surprisingly, many sources have reported that Cheney’s office cooperated closely with both John Bolton at State and Douglas Feith at the Pentagon. When things potentially useful in buttressing the White House position appeared, Cheney specifically followed up on them. This is exactly what happened with the (false) allegation that Saddam was seeking uranium ore in Niger, an intelligence story that came to a head in March 2002.

The Pentagon piece in this ensemble had built up speed by precisely that time. Soon after 9/11, Douglas Feith convinced Donald Rumsfeld to back his initiative for a special intelligence staff. Cutting through the palaver about how that unit was intended merely to find bits of data overlooked in conventional intelligence reporting, in fact the staff explicitly crafted a frontal attack on CIA’s terrorism data, rearranging it so as to maximize the impression there existed some alliance between Saddam and Osama bin Laden. That exercise came to a head at a meeting at CIA headquarters in August 2002.

Which brings us to John Bolton. Over the months culminating in July 2002 Bolton tried to have two different analysts fired for refusing to accede to intelligence claims he wanted to make in behalf of the administration. A State Department analyst, Christian Westerman, became the target in February. That amounted to more than an in-house fight because the analyst was known throughout the intelligence community (read CIA) and his troubles became known as well. In fact, Bolton made sure of it: his chief of staff, Frederick Fleitz, a CIA officer on detail from the Weapons Intelligence Proliferation and Arms Control (WINPAC) Center at the agency, kept his home office informed at every step along the way.

It would be WINPAC chief Alan Foley who, one month later, had to deal with the report from Ambassador Joseph Wilson that there was nothing to the Niger uranium claims. The debrief of Wilson’s trip to Niger, the Senate Intelligence Committee report on Iraq tells us, was held within CIA headquarters and not briefed to Vice President Cheney. Instead Cheney was told (on March 5, 2002) simply that the agency which had originally put out the uranium allegation had no new information...

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20050609/bolton_the_fixer.php
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