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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 05:13 PM
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FWIW, Madsen: July 17, 2005 -- ROVEGATE
http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/

Appearing on Meet the Press this morning, former Clinton White House Chief of Staff John Podesta gave some insights into Karl Rove's job as Deputy Chief of Staff in the Bush White House. Podesta said that Rove coordinates the activities of two major national security bodies -- the National Security Council (NSC) and the Homeland Security Council (HSC).

In that position, Rove is responsible for chairing meetings of the Principals and Deputies Committees, which bring together high-level representatives from various intelligence, law enforcement, and homeland security agencies for regular and ad hoc briefings. Rove has access to "all source intelligence," meaning he has a Top Secret/Special Background Investigation (SBI) clearance with access to numerous compartments and special access programs (SAPs): Special Intelligence (SI), COMINT, Byeman, ECI, Endseal, Gamma, H, Talent Keyhole (TK), Pearl, and VRK (Very Restricted Knowledge).

This means that Rove can access signals intelligence (SIGINT) information, including trancripts of domestic FBI wiretaps, human intelligence reports, reports on "black bag" and other "sneak and peek" operations, and internal CIA, NSA, DIA, FBI, and Homeland Security documents.

In his national and homeland security role as Deputy White House Chief of Staff, there are definite indications that Rove has, in the past and even quite recently, authorized the misuse of U.S. intelligence, including potentially illegal phone and email wiretaps, to gather extremely personal and sensitive information in order to smear his political opponents.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 05:16 PM
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1. I am quite sure that Rove does whatever the hell he damn pleases..
Legality, security, protocol and whatever the hell else be damned. He is sure he is the most powerfull person in the world and has no qualms whatsoever about doing anything to maintain that position.
He makes Macchiavelli look like a pussycat.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 06:47 PM
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3. Then why would he risk charges of treason to punish Wilson?
"He sure is the most powerful person in the world..." --BrklynLiberal

There are parts of this story that don't add up for me, and this is one of them. Surely Rove had plenty of other tricks up his sleeve for ruining peoples' lives. Why take this great risk--personally and directly breaking a law, disabling a critically important CIA WMD information-gathering network, and risking charges of treason or worse (what if Plame had been offed as a result? what if some of her contacts already have been?)--putting all these people at risk, not to mention blinding our government's eyes and ears on WMDs around the world? Why do it--unless that is your intention and the intention of those who are using you?

I think political revenge is a cover story--or at best a side goal--and that Cheney arms dealing and other nefarious activities of the Bush Cartel with regard to WMDs is at the heart of it.

I have long wondered why they didn't just PLANT WMDs in Iraq. Could outing Plame and her network have been connected to such a plot (to remove the threat of detection)? It was all happening at the same time, summer '03--the hunt for WMDs in Iraq, the involvement of Judith Miller in that hunt, the extremely suspicious supposed "suicide" of Brit weapons expert David Kelly (7/17/03) who was whistleblowing to the BBC on the Blairites 'sexing up' of Iraq WMD intel docs (but probably knew much, much more), and the outing of Plame and destruction of her network (7/14/03).

A little connective tissue: It was to Judith Miller that David Kelly wrote one of his last emails--the one in which he was concerned about "many dark actors playing games." About 24 hours later, he was found dead, near his home, outdoors under a tree, in the rain, supposedly having slit one wrist, taken painkillers and slowly bled to death all night. (The man was a scientist! A biochemist!). (And where was British security? His own gov't had interrogated him in secret, outed him to the press, without warning him--and let him go home without protection--or surveillance?!)

Miller wrote a news article about his death (NYT, 7/21/03) in which she failed to disclose the "dark actors" email (it was later disclosed by his family), and failed to disclose her close connections to Kelly (he was a major source for her book, "Germs"). Odd.

And the coincidence of all this, just seems too, too...

Two gov't WMD experts disabled, one by outing, one by death--within three days of each other--in the long hot summer of 2003 in which no WMDs were found in Iraq, to the chagrin of both regimes, Bush and Blair (and to the chagrin of Judith Miller, who had promulgated their lies about Iraq WMDs on the front pages of the NYT, to pump us all up for war.)

Rove may be the political player (or the willing or unwilling patsy--who knows at this point?). But the Plame outing and Kelly's death seem all of a piece with the deadly game that Cheney & Co. were playing, of war profiteering and arms dealing, and destroying anyone's ability to monitor their activities, or cry foul on them. And I'm sure wondering about Judith Miller's role in all of this (another patsy, or willingly used launderer of top secret information? or some kind of neocon Mata Hari?).

(Note: Joseph Wilson recently said that his wife and Judith Miller were "collateral damage" in the Bush regime war on dissent.)

See

"Plame...the tip of the iceberg..." (Plame maybe investigating Cheney arms deals when they busted her CIA weapons op)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2178477#2180220

"More about Judith Miller" (Miller/Plame/David Kelly)
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/7/3/17138/30618

and

"Scientist was bane of proliferators - by Judith Miller 7/21/03 (NYT) (I think she may have invented paragraphs 15 and 16, in which she attributes statements to Kelly without quotes or sources. His criticism of US military not looking hard enough for WMDs is too self-serving (self-serving to Miller), and doesn't fit with the whistleblower who was basically telling the BBC that Bush/Blair lied; or it could possibly have been an earlier Kelly view--he had supported the invasion--before whatever occurred that caused his change of viewpoint and his desire to make the lies public. She gives almost no info on that controversy--it was huge in England--just says there was a "dispute.")
http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/bioter/scibaneprolif.html

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The answer to the stink in Washington DC is restoring our right to vote, by throwing Bushite electronic voting machine companies--Diebold, ES&S and brethren--out of the election business NOW--or, at the least, achieving some measure of election transparency with paper ballot backups, no secret programming code and strict auditing. The only place where we can get that done is in state/local jurisdictions, where the authority over election systems still resides, and where ordinary people still have some say. See the DU Forum "2004 Election Results and Discussion" for information and action ideas:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=203http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=203


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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 07:22 PM
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5. I think it comes down to Hubris. They just never thought they would
Edited on Sun Jul-17-05 07:30 PM by BrklynLiberal
get caught..and if it started to look like they would, they figured no one would have the nerve to actually point a finger at them.

"and that Cheney arms dealing and other nefarious activities of the Bush Cartel with regard to WMDs is at the heart of it."
This absolutely was the point. In fact I think the whole point of sending Wilson to Niger was just to be able to set up his wife to be outed.

There has been a lot of speculation and research on this idea.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4124299


"He sure is the most powerful person in the world..."

BTW. I mis-typed...not unusual for me. It should have read: He's sure he is the most powerful person in the world.

EDIT: Upon looking back,..that is how I typed it. ;)
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Roy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 07:55 PM
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6. You said " I think it comes down to Hubris.

They just never thought they would get caught"


I agree, and most of this I am sure is based on the fact that they control everything.

They appoint the investigators (911 commission EX.) to cover their tracks, mute, shout down, or savage any Dems that may be a part of the investigations.

The one base not covered was allowing Fitzgerald to be appointed, cuz it appears that he is doing his job for real. Something they did not count on.

And even this shoe is uncertain until he (Fitz) finally reveals that he is for real and not conducting the mother of all smoke screens and white wash.

Not trying to be defeatist, but to me, a republican who has shown morals and courage, is still a republican until the final results are in.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 10:24 PM
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8. I sure hope that other shoes drops soon.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 10:31 PM
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10. Lots of good info
Edited on Sun Jul-17-05 10:32 PM by FreedomAngel82
I think what happend with Kelly is Kelly confided in Miller about his suspecions. She was working for someone in the White House. It could've gone all the way to the top for all we know because she is protecting someone. Who though is the big question. So Miller told whoever she's protecting and they had him killed because, as the old saying goes, dead men can't talk. Just like with Mr. Lemme who was working with Clint Curtis on the election. He had something big and was excited about his case and then out of nowhere he's found dead "suicided". So I think the same thing happened to Mr. Kelly.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 10:36 PM
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12. Thanks for those tidbits.
I'll have to add them to my outline.

-Hoot
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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 06:28 PM
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2. Political Campaign Hack Coordinating National Security?
Why is Rove, a political campaign hack, coordinating National Security at all? Because the Power party will say anything and do anything to defeat the Truth pary and retain power. If some national security is sacrificed, well the fat cats never use public transit anyway.
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 07:00 PM
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4. Was Rove snooping on the Dems?
Remember the Kerry girlfriend story. She was actually dating an aide to Kerry.
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wallwriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 08:04 PM
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7. Fox in charge of the henhouse...
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 10:26 PM
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9. The only thing is
Edited on Sun Jul-17-05 10:26 PM by FreedomAngel82
before November 2004 Karl Rove didn't have that job title. He got that job just a few days after the last election. I thought it was very strange he was getting promoted since he was just a political advisor. :shrug: But now it makes sense. Someone before had to give him either the clearance or the information. Remember that Bush promotes people who do his deeds.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 10:32 PM
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11. Rove is the rabbit.
The distraction to draw the hounds away from Cheney. I prefer this scenario.

-Hoot
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