So Now Rove Is Saying His Source May Not Have Been Journalist

[ruggerson]

He "might" have learned about Valerie Plame from another source in the administration who in turn heard about it from a journalist.

These people are flip flopping and changing stories faster than you can say "Treason."

"A lawyer familiar with Rove's grand jury testimony said Sunday that Rove learned about the CIA officer either from the media or from someone in government who said the information came from a journalist. The lawyer spoke on condition of anonymity because the federal investigation is continuing."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050718/ap_on_go_pr_wh/cia_leak_investigation;_ylt=AmcyuqEQ01XjK2QzVwGu84ms0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3OXIzMDMzBHNlYwM3MDM-

[liberace]

1. Bolton, SCOTUS, and Plame

My favorite of all the speculation I've read on this matter:

That the intercepts the Democrats have been demanding in the Bolton confirmation and which the WH won't surrender, deal with the State Department Memo and the outing of Valerie Plame.

The reason the Democrats have refused to confirm without this info is because they already know the dynamite that is in these intercepts, and want to expose it.

Another bit of speculation:

Will Bush nominate an extremely controversial Supreme Court judge as a way of diverting attention from this scandal - not so much in hopes of having his candidate confirmed as to simply distract from the Plame affair?

And, speaking of the SCOTUS nominee, when discussing the candidate's qualifications, it might be fun to ask, and ask often, how the person feels about journalistic confidentiality, just to keep this issue in people's faces.

[pk_du]

3. I too think there is more to the Bolton intercepts Liberace

either on Plame/Wilson or Dems. I doubt this administration will gice those up unless thru Fitzgerald.


And welcome to DU !

[Vinca]

21. If Bush DOESN'T execute the dreaded "recess" appointment

installing Bolton at the UN without a vote, I'm betting Bolton is the primary source of the Plame leak . . . and everyone from the top down knows it.

[kohodog]

22. The way things are unraveling I doubt a recess appointment

will take place. I think it might have happened, but the focus on Rove, Libby and the source of the leak will not let Bush appoint Bolton, especially if he is involved (as I believe). They are nervous about how much information Fitzgerald has uncovered and how much he may still get.

Interesting point on SCOTUS though. I hadn't thought of that. Fortunately, the investigation will pay little attention to "talking points" or furor over a SC nominee.

[KharmaTrain]

23. The Clock's Run Out

That recess appointment should have occured over Memorial Day or 4th of July recess. It didn't. There was no reason why Bunnypants couldn't have just rammed it down our throats and shuffled off to Crawford. Now maybe we're starting to know why.

The SCOTUS thing is also not quite coming together the way he was hoping either. This regime's longtime fear of a court pick wasn't the reaction from the left, it was from the right. Dobson and his ilk feel they are owed this pick and gonna like life real difficult within the Repugnican coven if they don't get what they want. A bill collector can be a real pain in the ass.

This regime has had to know for a while that Fitzgerald had something big brewing. The red flags had to really come out when Fitzgerald and the Judge in the case filed their brief with the SCOTUS in the case that resulted in the jailing of Miller and almost Cooper. That had to send one hell of a chill through this regime and that's what we're seeing now.

Truth be know...for the first time I can ever recall, this regime is frozen like Bambi in the headlights. The agenda was falling apart and this Rove mess will put it even further behind.

While the GOOPies are wishing for that big story to sweep this one away, the options of manufacturing the "big story" directly from this White House have diminished greatly. (Note I said "options" and "White House"...some of us know that means this regime will create a distraction elsewhere :scared:)

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:hi: :popcorn:

[newyawker99]

27. Hi liberace!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[DistressedAmerican]

29. Welcome To DU Liberace!

Good To See You!:toast:

[joemurphy]

2. Karl thinks about it and suddenly, in a flash, he remembers!

Wait a minute...It's coming back to me now... It wasn't a journalist...the more I think about it...yeah it was...let me think...yeah, someone in government...Gosh, who was it? Hmmm...I can't remember...but it was someone in government that might have gotten it from a journalist....Yeah...

[pk_du]

4. Yup......drip..drip...drip...

forget the "outing of an undercover agent" ( for which he's at elast morally guilty by his own admission.......this Ratf*cker is on Perjury/Obstruction charges for sure!

[radfringe]

20. so we can add that to the list of excuses?

Excuse ver 1.0: I didn't do it

Excuse ver 2.0: The media told me

Excuse ver 3.0: I don't remember

NEW IMPROVED EXCUSE ver 4.0 - I heard it through the grapevine

[ClusterFreak]

5. Just like the old R.E.O. Speedwagon song...

..."heard it from a friend who....heard it from a friend who..."
:bounce:

[mcctatas]

6. Heard in from another Karls been messing around...

and seriously fucking up the neo-cons plan to take over the world.

[la la]

14. Or....

picture the dancing grapes with the faces of shrub,dickie,rove,scott, et al ---"heard it through the grapevine".....somebody photoshop that? ;>)

[skids]

7. I think they are about to sacrifice scooter.

Just a hunch.

[ruggerson]

8. that's my guess, too n/t

[dajoki]

9. good NYT article on whole mess

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/16/politics/16memo.html?th&emc=th

[Disturbed]

10. Rove and the RW are squirming like a toad.

Where is the outrage from the Amerikan people?

[Jack Rabbit]

11. We know it wasn't a journalist

Was it a purported Vice President? His chief of staff?

[Hamlette]

12. did rove previously say it was a journalist? n/t

[Stinky The Clown]

13. Like the ever-shifting 'reasons' to go to Iraq

When a lie isn't working, they just find a new lie and try that for a while. It doesn't matter if anyone believes it. Confusion (in their view) is a good thing.

[Sydnie]

15. That is a very good point

Float enough stories so people hear one of them and settle on that as the official story. Then, when a new spin is taken for a stroll, others hear it and accept that as gospel. Then, stand back and let the people fight with each other over which story is true (even if neither one is), thereby making sure that no one can ever connect the dots because we have to keep scratching out the answer to make room for the new one.

It is really the time for each one, teach one, from our side anyway. We could get lost in all the bull floating around here. We need to keep a straight timeline somewhere (Demopedia maybe?) of all the spin doctors words and how fast we have proven them to be false.

This is a great example. They floated the "heard it from a reporter" but then the timeline of what was printed and what was testified to didn't fit the story, so .... spin again to well, maybe it was a reporter, maybe it was a cleaning lady... maybe it was a dream.

Nixon was right -- it's not the actions as much as it is the coverup that bites you in the ass everytime.

[Canuckistanian]

16. Don't like his story? Wait five minutes. It'll change.

[michael_1166]

17. Today is the first time

that the news about Karl Rove ("a top Bush aide") being in trouble got reported here in Germany's main stream media. Keep stirring, people - you're increasingly getting noticed. :hi:

[Justice]

18. Interesting flip flop b/c republicans relied on this so much on Sunday

talk shows.

[Disturbed]

19. The RW liars with their prepared answers didn't get the..

memo in time to change their lies.

All that matters is what the GJ decides. I still feel that indictements will be forthcoming.

[TWiley]

24. So, a journalist with NO SECURITY CLEARANCE

has better access to classified information than Karl Rove who has the highest security clearance possible?

Knowing that the simplest explanation tends to be the correct one, I would have to say that the leak came from the "highest security clearance" (Rove) to the lowest one, (unnamed journalist) and not the other way around.

therefore ROVE is more likely guilty.

[comsymp]

25. Highest security clearance?

Not being a dink, but can you source that? It was my understanding that, at the time, Herr Roverer was Dubya's political adviser, not Deputy Chief, and consequently, had NO clearance to know things like that.

(which, if accurate, indicates that someone else in the WH - with proper security clearance - blabbed to Herr Roverer)

[TWiley]

32. I read that on DU actually.

The author (i cannot remember the thread) said that Rove had the highest security clearance allowed.

I do not understand who is allowed which clearance or by what critearia, so I cannot speak directly about this question.

I was under the impression that security clearance was granted by people in power. In this case, that someone would be shrub.

[blogslut]

26. Man, are they dancing

Keep throwing those balls, people!

[Quixote1818]

28. Those dam Reporters! We should cut off their access to Top Secret

material. :sarcasm:

[spanone]

30. I think this tactic is known as muddying the water

You stir up so much crap that no one really knows the truth.

[Ilsa]

31. If this were anyone other than Rove,

I'd offer a defense about people truly not remembering where and from whom they learn bits of information. It is a common thing not to remember where or from whom you learned something unless it was an incredible moment.

But I sincerely doubt this would apply to KKKarl Rove. I suspect he heard that tidbit and salivated over it, found some privacy and pleasured himself at the possibilities it presented to him in his attempts to publicly discredit Ambassador Wilson. Nah, Rove knows exactly where, when, and from whom he heard this.