"If someone committed a crime, they will no longer work in my

[wanpete]

administration" says the shrubster. Anyone notice how he's playing with words. "Crime" is the word of choice. Hmmm....

[cyberpj]

1. I picked up on that too. nt.

[queeg]

2. Problem in Kashmir

----uh that mean I have a hole in my coat?

Bush has never even heard of Kashmir---and he sounds like an idiot--that indian journo hung him out to dry...

[mtnester]

4. I wonder who whispered the phrase "curriculum vitae"

in his ear...thems some pretty big words there Shrubby

[Gidney N Cloyd]

7. "Whuh? Curriculm Mai Tai? "

[HeeBGBz]

8. Didn't he look pleased with himself for saying it?

Like "look at the big important latin word I just used"

[wanpete]

12. That definitely had to be a whispered phrase. He sounds so ridiculous

saying things that sound scholarly!

[Triana]

3. What constitutes a crime...

...is left open for definition and the hypocrisy and double-standards by which this mal-administration defines CRIME is blatant. Could you even IMAGINE a Democrat getting away with ANY of what this passel of terrorist criminals has done to this country?

I can't.

[dogday]

5. It used to be leak

If someone in my administration leaked information, they would not be in my office. CNN is already on top of this.. Good show him for the liar he is....

[wanpete]

9. media needs to do the side by side comments like they did with

mcclellan's statements to show how his "position" about this has changed. Americans are not as stupid as they believe. More folks are seeing throught this crap for what is really is. Let's just hope the trend in the people and media will continue!

[gkhouston]

13. I wouldn't be surprised if "Countdown" does this

Olbermann's pretty good about picking up on that sort of thing. Wish everyone was.

[Jersey Devil]

25. CNN saw it immediately and commented on it

He is not going to get away with it. Wait for Scotty's briefing later. It is going to be a doozy.

[BlueWolff]

19. KKKDaryn Kagan aka Daryn Loonbaugh

Tried to spin for Rush her boyfriend that "Even the critics of Rove think he didn't commit a crime"...Looks like she had a hell of a weekend in Florida with ol Loonbaugh!

[wanpete]

22. Even the thought of that makes me want to puke!

and she definitely was spinning hard for her man!

[Virginian]

6. "Leaks are OK"

President Bush was talking to reporters after his meeting with Indian leader.
When asked about Carl Rove, he changed his position from A"ny one leaking info will no longer work at White House" to "If a crime has been committed that person will no longer work at White House."

He must have been pretty sure Rove wouldn't get caught when he established the rules the first time.

I sure wish he would say what he means and stick with it instead of altering his position all the time to accomodate his friends.

I hear a follow up where a reporter is calling him on it.

[flpoljunkie]

16. CNN's Bob Franken said if a third question had been allowed, his would

have been. What about an indictment? Would you fire someone who had been indicted?

Kudos to Franken!

[Virginian]

28. Thanks, my computer and TV are in different rooms.

By the time I got there to hear what he was saying, they had cut to commercial.

[Burma Jones]

10. Depends on what "is" is...........

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[tuvor]

11. You know, he's basically just admitted that karl leaked...

...and that he KNOWS karl leaked.

[wanpete]

15. YUP! Isn't it just disgusting??!! I hoope his play on words is the top

headline of all of the news stories today. It'll help those honest and straight forward poll numbers fall even more!

[converted_democrat]

14. Riiiight.....Doesn't Negroponte work for you Mr. Bush? n/t

[The Night Owl]

17. Bush moved the goal post.

First, Bush said he would fire the leaker. Now, he says he will fire the leaker if the leaker is convicted of a crime. He is moving the goalpost.

Bush really does think he is smarter than everyone else.

[Virginian]

24. He probably has no idea people have noticed.

I'm sure he thinks that goalpost which is now on the -40 yard line still looks like it did at the touchdown line.

Now the talking points will come out that he never said leaking, he always said convicted of a crime.

Big Brother has changed his rules again. This is truly "1984," the book, not the year. Is that book still in print? or have they made it disappear so that people wouldn't read up on their "stratergy"?

[Norquist Nemesis]

18. "Someone involved" has now changed to "Committed a crime"

He can't deny "someone" was involved any longer. Documented evidence exists of that. It's no longer "ridiculous"! And what we have now is Karl Rove's training to change as necessary in order to survive.

Straight shooter my ASS!!!

[Jack Rabbit]

20. Looking back, Bush has always used that phrase

McClellan may have used the broader one at some point. I guess we shouldn't assume that the White House press secretary speaks for the White House.

Of course, "committed a crime" could mean convicted in court with all appeals exhausted. And, again, Bush can just render the whole matter moot by issuing pardons before any one comes to trial or even before indictments are handed down.

This obfuscation is just part of a cover up. What did Bush know and when did he know it?

[halobeam]

23. yep, yes and oh baby yeah!

[Jack Rabbit]

26. On the 'what did Bush know' question

When we ask What did Bush know and when did he know it? we should make it clear that we are not merely speaking about the unmasking of Valerie Plame, but about the fixing of intelligence and facts to cover the thin case against Iraq prior to the invasion and all of the covering up of the lies and dissemblings since. The Plame unmasking was only a particularly outrageous incident about what was really a relatively unimportant matter.

[Virginian]

30. What did Cheney know and when did he know it?

I would like to see a schedule for Bush's typical day. How many hours does he spend in the office? Is that published somewhere? He has Lunch time and Nap time and Exercise time. Is there a great big 3-4 hours in the afternoon when he is AWOL from this job?

Isn't it about time for him to get a vacation from all of this "hard work" soon?

[Jack Rabbit]

34. That is just as valid a question

If Rove knew, we can almost assume that Bush knew.

If Libby knew, we can almost assume that Cheney knew.

Neither argument would hold up in court, no matter how firmly we believe them (and I believe them quite firmly).

A schedule of a typical day wouldn't tell us very much. That Bush talks to Rove daily and that Cheney talks to Libby daily are givens. That many such discussion may take place unscheduled wouldn't be a surprise, either.

[Dudley_DUright]

31. Pardons are likely as evidenced by this enormous freudian slip

Two years ago, when the Justice Department opened an investigation into who leaked Ms. Plame's name, Mr. Bush promised, "If a person has violated the law, that person will be taken care of."*

http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050717/NEWS09/507170436/-1/NEWS

*For "taken care of" read "given a big fat juicy presidential pardon"

[Jack Rabbit]

35. Being as jaded as I am about the regime, I could easily read it that way

I've said so elsewhere.

[Jack Rabbit]

38. He's busted. See post 37.

!!

[Rick Myers]

21. He's "making the pie higher!!!"

:grr:

[gkhouston]

29. interesting typo you've got there...

didn't you mean to say he's making the PILE higher?

[pdxmom]

27. So evidently, being unethical is ok, as long as you don't

don't convicted of a crime for it? I'm glad to see that they're finally showing their true colors.

[ultraist]

32. 'The big enchilada is not Rove, but the gang that sent Americans to war'

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/17/opinion/17rich.html?pagewanted=2&incamp=article_popular_1

Follow the Uranium

By FRANK RICH
Published: July 17, 2005

"I am saying that if anyone was involved in that type of activity which I referred to, they would not be working here."
- Ron Ziegler, press secretary to Richard Nixon, defending the presidential aide Dwight Chapin on Oct. 18, 1972. Chapin was convicted in April 1974 of perjury in connection with his relationship to the political saboteur Donald Segretti.

"Any individual who works here at the White House has the confidence of the president. They wouldn't be working here at the White House if they didn't have the president's confidence." - Scott McClellan, press secretary to George W. Bush, defending Karl Rove on Tuesday.

WELL, of course, Karl Rove did it. He may not have violated the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982, with its high threshold of criminality for outing a covert agent, but there's no doubt he trashed Joseph Wilson and Valerie Plame. We know this not only because of Matt Cooper's e-mail, but also because of Mr. Rove's own history. Trashing is in his nature, and bad things happen, usually through under-the-radar whispers, to decent people (and their wives) who get in his way. In the 2000 South Carolina primary, John McCain's wife, Cindy, was rumored to be a drug addict (and Senator McCain was rumored to be mentally unstable). In the 1994 Texas governor's race, Ann Richards found herself rumored to be a lesbian. The implication that Mr. Wilson was a John Kerry-ish girlie man beholden to his wife for his meal ticket is of a thematic piece with previous mud splattered on Rove political adversaries. The difference is that this time Mr. Rove got caught.

snip

This case is about Iraq, not Niger. The real victims are the American people, not the Wilsons. The real culprit - the big enchilada, to borrow a 1973 John Ehrlichman phrase from the Nixon tapes - is not Mr. Rove but the gang that sent American sons and daughters to war on trumped-up grounds and in so doing diverted finite resources, human and otherwise, from fighting the terrorists who attacked us on 9/11. That's why the stakes are so high: this scandal is about the unmasking of an ill-conceived war, not the unmasking of a C.I.A. operative who posed for Vanity Fair.

CON'T

[ieoeja]

33. Actually, isn't he the first president to number ...

... quite a few convicted and pardoned felons within his administration? As I recall several of the people pardoned by Poppy have been a part of this administration since its inception. So I guess he needs to back off a little further and add the words "DURING THIS ADMINISTRATION".

[RoadRunner]

36. If he keeps raising the bar, pretty soon it will be:

"If someone is executed for treason, they will no longer work in my administration."

[Jack Rabbit]

37. From the transcript of Mr. Bush's press conference, June 10, 2004

From the website of the White House
Dated June 10, 2004

President Bush Holds Press Conference Following the G8 Summit

Q Given -- given recent developments in the CIA leak case, particularly Vice President Cheney's discussions with the investigators, do you still stand by what you said several months ago, a suggestion that it might be difficult to identify anybody who leaked the agent's name?

THE PRESIDENT: That's up to --

Q And, and, do you stand by your pledge to fire anyone found to have done so?

THE PRESIDENT: Yes. And that's up to the U.S. Attorney to find the facts.

Q My final point would be -- or question would be, has Vice President Cheney assured you --

THE PRESIDENT: It's up to the --

Q -- subsequent to his conversations with them, that nobody --

THE PRESIDENT: I haven't talked to the Vice President about this matter, and I suggest -- recently -- and I suggest you talk to the U.S. Attorney about that.

Read more.

[City Lights]

39. What a change from January 2001, when staffers were being sworn in.

I remember his photo-op and the stink he made about ethics (another Clinton slam).

Bush warned that he expected his White House staff to meet the highest ethical standards, avoiding not only violations of law, but even the appearance of impropriety.

"We must remember the high standards that come with high office," he said. "This begins careful adherence with the rules. I expect every member of this administration to stay well within the boundaries define legal and ethical conduct.