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Mon Jul-18-05 11:21 AM
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Poll question: Marriage is an ownership agreement. (Agree or disagree) |
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Marriage is an ownership agreement where as it makes one person an owner of the other? Agree or disagree.
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Mon Jul-18-05 11:22 AM
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and both my wife and I are equal partners.
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Mon Jul-18-05 11:22 AM
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1. Disagree is too weak a term. |
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I find that statement abhorrent.
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Mon Jul-18-05 11:23 AM
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Are you sure? :) :sarcasm:
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Mon Jul-18-05 11:23 AM
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I would NEVER marry a woman who'd ever consider herself my 'possession', rather than my partner.
I have little respect for anyone who thinks so little of themselves and their own worth.
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Mon Jul-18-05 11:24 AM
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4. Marriage is a property agreement |
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A legal contract.
However, humans aren't property, and haven't been so legally for some time.
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Mon Jul-18-05 11:24 AM
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5. Marriage is a partnership agreement |
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Equal status for both partners.
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Mon Jul-18-05 11:25 AM
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6. Marriage is an agreement between two people and the state |
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having been married (now divorced) that is my experience.
Your 'marriage' to the significant other is valid only by proxy through the state.
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Mon Jul-18-05 11:32 AM
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7. I'm married, and agreed. |
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I'm not saying it's correct, or moral, but that's the legal basis of marriage. Our "ownership" today is more about a legal responsibility for one another, but it's essentially the same thing.
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Mon Jul-18-05 11:34 AM
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8. Depends on where you live. n/t |
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Mon Jul-18-05 11:34 AM
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9. I'll have to wait until my wife gets home and tells me how to answer this. |
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Mon Jul-18-05 11:34 AM
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10. Historically, there is no doubt about it. |
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Mon Jul-18-05 11:39 AM
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11. Marriage is an agreement in which |
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my wife agrees to keep her hands off my beer and I will not drink her "Mike's Hard Lemonade" shit.
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Mon Jul-18-05 06:25 PM
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Mon Jul-18-05 11:46 AM
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12. What do you mean here? |
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That in marriage one party "owns" the other?
Or that marriage is a legal contract establishing common property rights?
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Mon Jul-18-05 11:53 AM
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13. Marriage is a dangerous vaguery. |
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Not that I'm opposed to getting married myself, but "marriage" doesn't have an explicit enough meaning. People enter into this "contract" without first checking whether their definitions of the term match. Then they find out that what the other person meant by marriage isn't what they bargained for.
Do yourselves a favor, and no matter how tacky and embarrasing the conversation has to be, let your SO know what it is you expect from them, and listen to what they expect from you, in detail, before taking "the plunge."
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Mon Jul-18-05 11:57 AM
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14. My wife told me that I should disagree if I know what's good for me. |
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Mon Jul-18-05 12:07 PM
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I've got to beg all to be forgiving... When love happened that enchanted moment, I don't have to chase after her/him any-more. The perfect proposal for marriage isn't "if you get me, I'll make it easy for you".
Perfecting love for others starts at home, and limits itself only in a lack of imagination.
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Mon Jul-18-05 03:35 PM
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Mon Jul-18-05 01:04 PM
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16. Marriage Is More Like An Insurance Policy For The Mother |
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Of Any Children Beget In The Marriage In Most Cases, Or To One With The Lesser Earning Potential ...Get Divorced & You'll Then Know What Marriage Is..Till Then ?????
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Mon Jul-18-05 03:40 PM
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18. Marriage is a marriage of two people |
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Edited on Mon Jul-18-05 03:40 PM by Fescue4u
I don't know why everyone wants to make it something else.
Come on, is it REALLY THAT DIFFICULT to understand what a marriage is? I think I figured it out when I was about two years old.
The basic generic definition for marriage (small m), the joining of two entitys, is the best analogy for Marriage (captial M), the joining of two people.
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Mon Jul-18-05 03:42 PM
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20. That's absolutely correct - I own my hubby! n/t |
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Mon Jul-18-05 03:43 PM
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21. I think you're talking about a Divorce agreement. That's a list of all |
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the things that you used to own.
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Mon Jul-18-05 03:47 PM
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22. We married for emotional and legal reasons |
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Hubby and I define our marriage and do not believe how we see it should be applied to everyone else. Just as other people's reasons and beliefs about marriage are different than ours does not define ours.
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Mon Jul-18-05 04:27 PM
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23. If it were an ownership agreement, there would be |
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a warranty and a return policy. :silly:
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Mon Jul-18-05 04:53 PM
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24. Well, yeah, but people think they own their house |
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when the bank actually owns it.
So maybe marriage is actually a long-term lease agreement, or maybe a mortgage-type deal?
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Mon Jul-18-05 06:23 PM
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29. Then I had the world's only five day escrow. |
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Mon Jul-18-05 04:56 PM
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25. Marriage is a legal partnership. It is not an ownership agreement. |
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The partnership does provide some rights and responsibilities with regard to one another, but not ownership.
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Mon Jul-18-05 04:59 PM
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Marriage is what you want it to be. Some of the ownership comes from divorces, who gets what, you broke my heart, you're mine, I'm keeping the kids, all that stuff. Not that they're aren't sick people out there who do believe it's a ownership agreement. That's a contributer to spousal abuse, actually
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Mon Jul-18-05 04:59 PM
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27. Marriage is a contract for raising children |
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If we're gonna cut to the chase, the contract has been for raising children and providing a legal basis for this cooperative economic endeavour.
I think the agreement that better fits your premise is "employment"; It makes the business the owner of the employee.
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Wed Jul-20-05 05:22 AM
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41. So The Sterile/Infertile Shouldn't Marry? |
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Wed Jul-20-05 06:21 AM
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I have no concern about "should". I merely responded to what marriage is, and what it has been for historically.
I am personally in favour of making common law civil unions the legally defined option, and marriage can just be a religious ritual dressing on top of common law marraige.
I don't believe that human beings are intended to spend a lifetime together in monogomous harmony... people change, grow and evolve, and marriage is not adapting to the modern world. That said, i am married, and it is and has been a very nurturing field of trust to throw in my lot with another person for better or worse.
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Mon Jul-18-05 05:28 PM
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28. Marriage is a covenant |
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When you are married by the Christian church
The state makes it legal.
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Mon Jul-18-05 08:55 PM
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38. What about Jews and Muslims? Is their marriage a covenant? |
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Wed Jul-20-05 05:11 AM
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40. Jewish marriage is a covenant |
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Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 05:13 AM by Poppyseedman
The Christian wedding is based on the same principles as a Jewish wedding. Both are making vows before God to do and act a certain way
I honestly don't know about Muslims. Though, having more than one wife does make it seem more like an agreement than a covenant.
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Mon Jul-18-05 06:27 PM
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31. I think marriage is an agreement to share your life as partners and |
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share resources to sustain your life together. Religion not needed. State, unfortunately, needed to protect the innocent.
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Mon Jul-18-05 06:57 PM
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35. I don't follow...protect the innocent? nt |
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Tue Jul-19-05 09:01 AM
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39. Yes. As in a case where one takes advantage of another. |
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The state grants rights that remain protected in the event of divorce. Property must be shared, etc. I was engaged and owned a home with my fiance. He turned out to be a snake and didn't want to give me my share of the home when we split.(I wanted the $ I had put into it) Had my name not been on the mortgage, I would have had no rights because we weren't married.
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Mon Jul-18-05 06:27 PM
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32. Yes. Marriage means my wife owns me. |
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And the kids and the car and the house and my pension (none of which exist at the moment. And I'm not married :P )
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Mon Jul-18-05 06:30 PM
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33. I thought it was the formation of a corporation? |
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At least, legally, that's what it amounts to. Religion/spirituality-wise, it's a covenant, hopefully of love.
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Mon Jul-18-05 06:31 PM
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34. Marriage is a legal contract between you, your spouse |
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and the State you get married in.
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Mon Jul-18-05 07:05 PM
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36. I should be so lucky as to have this option |
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Edited on Mon Jul-18-05 07:07 PM by Boomer
Marriage is a legal contract in which two parties agree to share responsibilities, financial obligations, and protections.
Like all contracts, it can be abused if the parties do not operate in good faith within the letter of the law. For those of us who honor the intent, however, it could be the most important contract of our lives.
I say "could" because I'll probably never have the option to marry my life partner. And currently she is constantly at risk for losing her medical coverage because I cannot share mine with her unless my employer voluntarily provides partner benefits.
So forgive me if I spit upon these knee-jerk descriptions of marriage as "ownership". Heterosexuals can avoid that onerous ownership quite easily by choosing not to get married. I have no choice at all.
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Mon Jul-18-05 07:26 PM
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And thank you for reminding me. Easy to belittle something taken for granted. Here's to legalizing Gay marriage in our lifetimes! (Yeah I know prospects don't look so good, but we'll keep fighting the good fight)
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