They're trying to push the "Wilson said his wife wasn't covert" bullshit

[Goldmund]

Just saw John Fund on Hardball still pushing this bullshit and not being called on it. :eyes:

Does anybody have a link to the AP article retracting the claim that Wilson said that, which they had made earlier that same day?

[Justitia]

1. Isn't he a bit late on his lying talking points??? Here ya go...

He was repeating a debunked LIE:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200507180002

[aquart]

2. Answer: Well, then why did the CIA insist on an investigation?

And this isn't an investigation about what Wilson said. It's an investigation about what Rove did.

[Justitia]

7. Yup. The CIA seems to think a crime has been committed don't they?

I mean, since they went to the Justice Dept and asked them to pursue it and all.

Fund is repeating a fuck-up made by the AP that they later corrected and Fund doesn't have his updated and revised copy of the RNC Talking Points yet.

[aquart]

14. Hell, they even sent Wolf Blitzer to the Late, Late Show

To lie about the possible charges against Karl Rove.

[karlrschneider]

3. I just now saw that (was gone, TIVO'd it), he said MOL "everyone now

'knows' she was not covert..." I wasn't aware "everyone" knew any such thing...I sure as hell didn't.
:grr:

[Garbo 2004]

16. Quick, someone tell the CIA since they reported a crime had been committed

namely, the cover of one of their NOC's had been blown apparently by senior administration officials. Silly CIA. :sarcasm:

These people are incredible.

[KansDem]

28. Right, John Fund should know more about this that that silly ol' CIA

Maybe he studies the CIA when he isn't beating up girlfriends...

"The only way we're safe dealing with these people is to make a big stink," says Pillsbury-Foster. Among her complaints, she notes that Assistant District Attorney Eric Arnone has ignored reports of attempted break-ins to Pillsbury's apartment and has never asked Pillsbury for details about the alleged abuse. Instead, Arnone grilled Pillsbury about "everything he could find that might be to her discredit," including Pillsbury's testimony in her mother's divorce.

And that's not all. Three months after she pressed charges, Pillsbury says the D.A.'s office has yet to retrieve possessions she left behind in Fund's Jersey City apartment, including her passport, birth certificate, driver's license, selected clothes, jewelry belonging to her mother, and floppy disks containing personal files. Finally, Pillsbury says Arnone told her that when she filed charges, no photos were taken. (That's odd, because the police report indicates that she was bruised and photos were taken.)

(more)
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0220,cotts,34774,6.html

[elperromagico]

4. If nobody in the White House exposed a covert agent,

why are the Republicans scrambling around like chickens without heads, coming up with all these justifications and excuses?

If they're confident that they did nothing wrong, why not wait for the grand jury to reach that same conclusion? If they're innocent, the law should be on their side. There shouldn't be this need for shifting alibis.

For people who claim to have done nothing wrong, they sure are acting guilty.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

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[Mojambo]

5. This issue has already been resolved

Freepers need to answer the following question. If she wasn't covert then why is there an investigation and grand jury?

Until one of those pathetic mouthbreathers can answer that question they can go suck it.

[spanone]

6. I can't believe the press doesn't call these people on this.

Do these people have no scruples.

Repeat a lie over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.................................................................................................................................................it becomes truth......so saith Karl Rove.

[globalvillage]

8. We need a transcript

of that ahole Fund's lies on Hardball. There was not a single sentence from that idiot in that entire segement that didn't amount to a lie.
And do you think they could have found one person out of four that would take the middle ground instead of an entire panel of RW nutjobs? It was like watching Faux.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

9. Fund also said Wilson was the accuser against Rove

It's the CIA that put this investigation in motion. Apparently, no one ever picks up that fact on these talk shows and that the CIA is concerned about questions of national security and that's what this matter is about. What Wilson said is irrelevant.

[pinkpops]

10. That A-hole head of the RNC said the same thing on the News Hour

[Disturbed]

13. These RW scum get their talking points orders...

pratice them and go on TV where the RW Corp. Programs and their shills allow the lies to be spewed. These liars get a whole lot of money to spout this shit. When the lies are uncovered they just move to the next lies and act like the previous ones were never spoken. Paid liars and RW Corp. Media have been complicit with Bush Regime crimes from the start of their take over.

[stanwyck]

17. Exactly what happens.

just as you've stated. It's all a fix. And we notice all the contradictions and backtracking. But the continued muddying of the waters eventually obscures the facts and so much confusion has been caused that many people just tune out. The Bushies like to get negative stories buried in distractions until the impact is obliterated.

[Telly Savalas]

11. But I thought Rove had cajones for outing Plame!

That's what John Gibson said last week. How could he out Plame if Plame was already outed? They're changing the talking points too fast. I'm so confused! :cry:

[LynnTheDem]

15. Wilson said she STOPPED being covert the day Robert 'Traitor' Novak

outed her.

Are all rightwingnuts totally illiterate as well as plain stupid?

[radfringe]

18. questions: 5 years (at what point in time)

I heard it said that if a covert agent hasn't been "undercover" for 5 years they are no longer considered "covert"

one of the blathers says Plame hadn't been covert for 5 years - therefore it wasn't a crime to out her

questions:
1. Was Plame still considered "covert" at the time of the original "outing"?

2. how did Rove/Libby et al know that Plame wasn't covert and therefore it was ok to leak the name?

Rove/Libby assured bush* they weren't the leakers when this story broke and bush* said he would fire leakers. Given the info we have today -it looks like they lied to bush* and to the rest of us - based just on that

[Disturbed]

19. Rove wasn’t truthful with the FBI

That is a felony.

[radfringe]

20. ahhhhh there's the rub

:sarcasm:

bush* said he would fired people if it was a "crime;)

[Garbo 2004]

23. Well when Plame donated $$$ to Gore under the name Wilson she

listed her employer as Brewster Jennings, a CIA front company, which was her employer as a NOC. If that part of her career was completely over, one would think she'd be listing a Fed agency if she had official cover, or the CIA if she now was just a permanent "desk jockey" and it didn't matter if it was publicly known that she worked at the CIA as some claim.

Regardless, what's most telling is that the CIA knows what her status was and they filed a crime report requesting an investigation. And the appeals court judges' ruling quashing Cooper's and Miller's appeal of the contempt of court charges makes it clear that the evidence they reviewed convinced them (including one judge who favors press shield laws) that there was a serious breach of national security at issue.

We don't know that Rove/Libby knew or didn't know her covert status. But according to the classified info nondisclosure agreement that Administration officials with security clearances have to sign (and given their positions one would presume they have some level of security clearance), they had an obligation to find out whether the info they had was classified or not before passing it on. More info here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/bill-scher/738-days_4335.html

[Terran]

29. She may not have been "covert"

under the definition used in the espionage act, which I think does say that an agent has to be operating undercover overseas within the last five years to be considered covert. Ms. Plame had not been overseas within five years of the outing, so that may be a problem making that particular law fit this situation. It's ludicrous to deny, however, that she was a covert agent in the broader sense, because she was operating a large network of agents performing undercover functions. As has been said many times by reasonable commentators, the moment her name became publicly connected with the CIA, every intelligence agency on the planet ran that name through their databases to see what would come up. Even if no one got killed as a result, a whole lot of CIA work came crashing down.

I think there are probably other federal laws and regulations that are applicable to the situation besides the one described above. And you make an excellent point: Rove and Libby could not have known Ms. Plame's covert status was questionable at the time of the outing--unless they were told by someone else who did know...

[B Calm]

21. This is what pisses me off. When these bastards keep repeating

a lie, they have to be called on it!!! but... at the same time they have to steer away from the right-wing bull crap talking points.

[liveoaktx]

22. Editor and Publisher on the AP Article

http://editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000980270&imw=Y

[Goldmund]

24. Thank you! That does it.

:)

[nyhuskyfan]

25. The quote in context...

Wolf Blitzer was asking Joe Wilson about the Vanity Fair pictures and whether a CIA officer should have allowed herself to be photographed. Joe Wilson answered by saying that "my wife was not a covert officer the day..."

Take the quote out of context and it sounds like he's saying something else entirely.

[jbnow]

26. Whether she was still covert might be

the point for that particular law. But even if she wasn't, Brewster Jennings was also outed and people should be pointing that out as a big issue.
Let's say she's been in the country 5 years and a day, the law doesn't apply. But all that worked within Brewster Jennings or with them have their cover blown. They endangered many people and projects that were doing covert work on WMD's, something that matters in these times.

A front company takes a long time to develop, they destroyed a network. That might have been on purpose but even if they just meant to get to Wilson, they are responsible for that. I don't hear them questioned on that, I don't hear that covered from either side.

[Oilwellian]

27. Fund should stick to what he does best

Screwing his girlfriend's daughter, getting her pregnant, and then beating her.