How the neocons want to start WW IV

[tocqueville]

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/GG19Aa02.html

Indeed, since last month's surprise victory late last month of hardliner Mahmud Ahmadinejad in Iran's presidential elections, neo-conservatives have launched a new campaign for "regime change", urging the Bush administration to take more urgent action to achieve that goal.

"The country is ripe for revolution," enthused Jeffrey Gedmin, the neo-conservative director of the Aspen Institute in Berlin, in the Weekly Standard. "This regime has to go,"....

AEI's Michael Ledeen :

"I do not know if ... the Iranians were involved in the London bombings, but it really does not matter, for Iran is the most potent force in the terror network, from which the killers in London undoubtedly drew succor ... We cannot possibly have decent security in Iraq unless we end the murderous tyrannies in Tehran and Damascus," wrote Ledeen, who, in another piece, argued, as did several other neo-conservatives, that the British "elites" had brought on the attacks on London by their "special relationship with the Arab world" and "anti-Semitism".

And Japan could help...

"So should Japan, Washington Times and National Review editor Rich Lowry was quick to add in a Washington Times column in which he made an increasingly common argument that Tokyo should tear up its post-war constitution and become "as reliable a partner of the US in Asia as Britain is in Europe" in checking Beijing."

Don't forget China :

"China is positioning itself to supplant the United States economically and strategically and, if necessary, to defeat us militarily in the decades to come," said Gaffney who, in a Washington Times article last week, argued that the London bombings should prompt the Bush administration to prevent Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's disengagement from Gaza ("Friends don't let friends commit suicide ...").

Or Saddam and 9/11

Worried as well about a steady stream of public opinion polls showing US citizens who believe that Bush and his backers lied about the reasons for going to war in Iraq, Kristol also gave over half of last week's Weekly Standard to an article titled "The Mother of All Connections", in which the author, Stephen Hayes, presents what he calls "new evidence" of an operational tie between al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussein.
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This reminds me of a pattern : when dictators are in trouble, they start a new war, and another one... etc... Milosevic was the latest example...

Tocqueville

[madeline_con]

1. "Iran is the most potent force in the terror network,...

from which the killers in London undoubtedly drew succor ... "

:shrug: :banghead:

Check this out:

The Mother of All Connections
From the July 18, 2005 issue: A special report on the new evidence of collaboration between Saddam Hussein's Iraq and al Qaeda.
by Stephen F. Hayes & Thomas Joscelyn
07/18/2005, Volume 010, Issue 41



1. From 1987 to 1989, the detainee served as an infantryman in the Iraqi Army and received training on the mortar and rocket propelled grenades.
2. A Taliban recruiter in Baghdad convinced the detainee to travel to Afghanistan to join the Taliban in 1994.
3. The detainee admitted he was a member of the Taliban.
4. The detainee pledged allegiance to the supreme leader of the Taliban to help them take over all of Afghanistan.
5. The Taliban issued the detainee a Kalishnikov rifle in November 2000.
6. The detainee worked in a Taliban ammo and arms storage arsenal in Mazar-Es-Sharif organizing weapons and ammunition.
7. The detainee willingly associated with al Qaida members.
8. The detainee was a member of al Qaida.
9. An assistant to Usama Bin Ladin paid the detainee on three separate occasions between 1995 and 1997.
10. The detainee stayed at the al Farouq camp in Darwanta, Afghanistan, where he received 1,000 Rupees to continue his travels.
11. From 1997 to 1998, the detainee acted as a trusted agent for Usama Bin Ladin, executing three separate reconnaissance missions for the al Qaeda leader in Oman, Iraq, and Afghanistan.
12. In August 1998, the detainee traveled to Pakistan with a member of Iraqi Intelligence for the purpose of blowing up the Pakistan, United States and British embassies with chemical mortars.
13. Detainee was arrested by Pakistani authorities in Khudzar, Pakistan, in July 2002.

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According to this, the guy goes on "three separate reconnaissance missions" betwen 97 & 98. But isn't issued a weapon until... "5. The Taliban issued the detainee a Kalishnikov rifle in November 2000."

[tocqueville]

4. same rethorics as usual...

"The leak of a classified memo from the British defense minister to Prime Minister Tony Blair detailing "emerging US plans" to reduce by half the number of soldiers in Iraq - as well as reports that the Pentagon intended to substantially withdraw its forces from Afghanistan within two years - drew very worried responses from Weekly Standard editor William Kristol, who has long assailed Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld for refusing to deploy enough troops to the two countries."

The British memo "shows real efforts within the administration to extricate us from this, and I think ... that's a much greater threat than anything that happens directly in London", he told an AEI audience. In a written memo co-authored by Project for the New American Century director Gary Schmitt, Kristol warned that Rumsfeld "is putting the president's strategic vision at risk".

[madeline_con]

8. "... the president's strategic vision ..."

What's that?

[tocqueville]

9. to make as much money as possible

[madeline_con]

13. Strategic vision = Cocaine induced hallucination

where he rebuilds the world from the ground up. :freak:

[themadgerman]

14. Not a Big Deal

They were talking about pulling troops out before that memo ever came out. Was supposed to start the end of this year.

There was nothing said about having so many out by the middle of next year though.

[KamaAina]

2. Regime change after (allegedly) democratic elections?

They might want be careful with that. It might set a precedent for other countries around the world, where similar nutjobs have come to power through (mostly) democratic means.

Of course I'm talking about Gen. Quarters in Lower Slobbovia, not about any major superpower or anything :sarcasm:

[madeline_con]

10. Gen. Quarters

his consultant, Major Upheaval....

[robertarctor]

3. Don't forget Dumfuckistan

... that parallel-universe nexus of terraism a few miles northwest of Crawford, Texas, with satellites in the basements of the Heritage Foundation and American Enterprise Institute headquarters in Washington.

[Enquiringkitty]

7. Hu-Hu-Hu! He said "Dumfuckistan!

[bpilgrim]

5. so it's not just all in our collective little heads on DU?!?

i think discussing WWIV (or WWIII - depending on how you see it) is the elephant in the room.

well, these fools brought us to the BRINK and the world ain't BLINKED so now what are these TRAITORS (neoCONs) gonna do?!?

:nuke:

peace

[madeline_con]

11. Thay have a plan...

More :nuke: s

[tocqueville]

6. Here is the "Mother of all connections"

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/804yqqnr.asp

"What we do not know is the full extent of the relationship. But we know enough to know that there was one. And we know enough to know it was a threat."

they never give up

Source :

It details the case for designating an Iraqi member of al Qaeda, currently detained in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, as an "enemy combatant."

[madeline_con]

12. they never give up

"What we do not know is the full extent of the relationship. But we know enough to know that there was one. And we know enough to know it was a threat."


Translation:

"We don't know shit. We think we're the shit. We're going to start some shit."

[themadgerman]

15. They'll do Iran differently

When they do Iran...I doubt it'll be with a heavy military operation....more of a CIA game for Iran, probably working the population...trying for foment revolution from within

[tocqueville]

16. Maybe the most interesting is how they draw Asia in this

Rearm Japan, Fight China...

[Stephanie]

17. absolutely horrifying

they are mad fucking political scientists. they have to be stopped before they blow us all up.

[The2ndWheel]

19. Well China is their trophy

Terrorism is important to them. But they've always had an eye focused towards China. It's the only possible "great power rival" at this point that they want to keep from challenging American power.

[The2ndWheel]

18. You don't invest billions

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-yoo13jul13,0,5549037.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions

Another tool would have our intelligence agencies create a false terrorist organization. It could have its own websites, recruitment centers, training camps and fundraising operations. It could launch fake terrorist operations and claim credit for real terrorist strikes, helping to sow confusion within Al Qaeda's ranks, causing operatives to doubt others' identities and to question the validity of communications.

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in think tanks without coming up with plenty of ideas.