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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 06:27 PM
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VERY creepy -- Arnold as PRESIDENT, thanks to Orrin Hatch...
I have heard too many people say about Arnold, Oh, he's kind of a liberal, actually, and nothing really bad will happen if he becomes governor.

Dammit, do *not* fall for this crap! He is in deep with the RW, thick as thieves. He's a big pal of Orrin Hatch, for God's sake, who's been greasing the skids for a possible future presidential run for their celluloid action hero. The Rethugs obviously have big plans for Arnold.

Democrats should be fighting for their lives on this. Arnold must not be allowed to sneak into office.

We're busy arguing about our favorite Democratic candidates for president, but please, first things first -- save California, and nip a BIG problem in the bud. Vote NO on the recall, YES for Bustamonte.

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?030929fa_fact

STRONGMAN
by HENDRIK HERTZBERG
Arnold Schwarzenegger and California’s recall race.
The New Yorker/Issue of 2003-09-29

<snip>
On October 8, 1993—a day short of exactly ten years before the originally scheduled date of California’s recall election—one of Sylvester Stallone’s better movies opened wide at area theatres. In “Demolition Man,” Stallone played a Los Angeles cop, cryogenically frozen around the turn of the century as punishment for a bum rap, who is thawed out in the year 2032 to give chase to his similarly thawed-out criminal nemesis. He teams up with Sandra Bullock, a new-style nicey-nice police officer. As she is showing him around the L.A. of the future—where everything is tidy, corporate, and bland—he does a double take when she mentions the “Schwarzenegger Presidential Library.” Decades before, Bullock explains perkily, Arnold Schwarzenegger became so popular that the American people waived the technicalities and made him their maximum leader.

This was satire, not prognostication. Either way, though, it appears, at the moment, to be right on schedule. The big technicality, of course, is a clause in Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution—the one that states, “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President.” On July 10th, Senator Orrin Hatch, Republican of Utah, quietly introduced what he hopes will become the twenty-eighth amendment:

A person who is a citizen of the United States, who has been for 20 years a citizen of the United States, and who is otherwise eligible to the Office of President, is not ineligible to that Office by reason of not being a native born citizen of the United States.

As it happens, Arnold Schwarzenegger (who, according to the Deseret News, Hatch’s home-town paper, is both a “pal” and a “fund-raising helper” of the Senator’s) became a citizen of the United States precisely twenty years ago. Hatch is the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, where constitutional amendments originate. His amendment stands a good chance of going to the states, thirty-eight of which would be needed for ratification. It would certainly pass in the states where Latino and other foreign-born citizens, now twelve million strong, are concentrated, and legislators elsewhere might support it as a gesture toward the “nation of immigrants” catechism of America’s civic religion.
Even so, like any constitutional amendment, it’s a long shot. On the other hand, there are those who think that it doesn’t really matter—who think that Schwarzenegger, amendment or no amendment, will find a way. George Butler, the filmmaker-photographer who chronicled the big man’s rise to fame, told me recently with a chuckle, “If you think Arnold can be stopped by a few phrases on a piece of parchment, well, you just don’t know Arnold.”

<snip>


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one Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 06:34 PM
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1. You are Absolutely right!!!
this HAS been in the works for some time now. I wondered why ol' Orin was on the Senate floor wanting to change the rules to become President. Then here comes Arnold (who looks like Frankenstein to me) and it fell into place for me. These people who have such contempt for Hollywood(unless it's one of their own then they're downright giddy)has had this plan for quite some time. Hypocrites all!
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 05:02 AM
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14. Hi one!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 06:42 PM
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2. Unbelievable
Edited on Fri Sep-26-03 06:42 PM by trotsky
Don't like the rules? Change 'em!
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 06:46 PM
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3. This is infuriating. This s*** has to be stopped...
Edited on Fri Sep-26-03 06:49 PM by rezmutt
Democrats need to turn out on October 7.

It's more important that they vote *against* what the RW could do, than *for* anyone.

:kick:
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 08:00 PM
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10. Democrats May Very Well Be For Changing Too
In that, it's exclusionary to people who've been here for a lifetime but are yet well qualified.

The only way I couldn imagine changing the Constitution is to make it so that person has to have sole citizenship in America for at least 50 years.

Even still, if you came from Saudi Arabia and were in a position where you had to bomb your home town...
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 07:18 PM
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4. More insanity: "Tabloids Starry-Eyed For Schwarzenegger"
Why do Democrats never get a pass from the media? Because the Repukes own it all, dammit.

And this particular pro-Arnold propaganda -- supermarket tabloids -- how perfect is that for this horrifyingly inarticulate multimillionaire?

http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/6865937.htm
Mercury News
Fri, Sep. 26, 2003

TABLOIDS STARRY-EYED FOR SCHWARZENEGGER
By Dion Nissenbaum
Mercury News Sacramento Bureau

SACRAMENTO - Arnold 's decision to run for governor was expected to unleash the kind of screaming tabloid headlines that have dogged high-profile politicians from Bill Clinton to Gary Hart.

But supermarket checkout lines have been virtually Arnold-free. Until now.

America's leading tabloid publisher, which last year reached a lucrative business deal with one of Schwarzenegger's earliest business partners, has filled checkout stands not with salacious tales of alleged womanizing -- but with a glowing tribute to the Republican candidate and Hollywood star.

American Media, which publishes the National Enquirer and Star tabloids, has produced a 120-page glossy magazine called ``Arnold, the American Dream.'' The $4.95 magazine is crammed with flattering photographs and auspiciously hit the streets as Schwarzenegger heads into the final lap of his campaign for governor in the Oct. 7 recall election.

The company -- which never identifies itself in the ad-free magazine -- has spread a half-million copies around newsstands and supermarkets across California and the rest of the nation.

<snip>

Last year, American Media reached a lucrative deal with Schwarzenegger business partner Joe Weider to buy his muscle-and-fitness publishing empire -- which includes Muscle and Fitness, Shape and Men's Fitness magazines -- for $350 million. Weider, one of the actor's mentors, brought Schwarzenegger to America from Austria in the late '60s and helped make the aspiring star a bodybuilding icon. Schwarzenegger still writes an ``Ask Arnold'' column for Muscle and Fitness, and Weider is supporting his longtime friend's campaign.

<snip>
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 05:46 AM
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15. The right wing owns all major media in America
Name a single major "liberal" media entity in the U.S.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 07:38 PM
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5. c'mon....
this constitutional limitation is silly, and always has been. Simply because it MIGHT allow Arnold (who even if he DOES win California will only do so with <30% of the vote) to run for President is no reason not to do the right thing.

It will also allow Jennifer Granholm to run for Prez.

This NOT a constitutional amendment that says "Arnold Schwarzenegger shall be the next President". It's simply the right thing to do to correct a xenophobic clause that was put in for bad reasons at the founding of the republic.

AND... if Arnold can win a majority of the electoral votes... then well, he SHOULD be President. I won't vote for him.
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Shrek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 07:52 PM
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8. Knock it off
Your attempts to engage this issue with reason and balance are not appreciated. Please stick to the script.

;-)
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 07:55 PM
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9. Agreed. I just question the timing and the source (Hatch)...
Why Hatch (Arnold's buddy)? And why now, just when Arnold has 20 years of citizenship under his belt, and is poised to grab an office that would be a perfect springboard to the presidency?

Republicans never commit any altruistic acts. Whatever they do, they always have an eye on feathering their own nest, and lining their own pockets.

I agree with that the limitation is way out-of-date, but I don't want Arnold as my governor OR president!

:kick:
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 08:02 PM
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11. People
of both parties have been trying for many years to pass this amendment.

Barney Frank is one of them.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 07:39 PM
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6. Hatch's bill will NEVER get thru...imagine someone from al qaeda
becoming president...it will never happen...they canNOT change that part of the Constitution!
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 07:42 PM
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7. Umm...
any native-born American can become a member of Al-Qaeda.

I think it's xenophobic to assume that any foreign-born US Citizen (who has been a citizen for 20 years) is, or is even likely to be, a terrorist.
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 08:04 PM
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12. Hey - I'm naturalized and I turned 35 in June!
Hey Orrin - this means *I* can run now too!!!!! Watch out for me, baby!!!!!

:P
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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 08:16 PM
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13. Two Words: Jennifer Granholm.
n/t
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 07:17 AM
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16. Exactly!!
Go ahead and change the law Orrin, you will rue the day you were born when we bring out Jennifer!! Whooo-hoooo!!!!

Julie
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 07:23 AM
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17. At the risk of sounding self-serving
Edited on Sat Sep-27-03 07:24 AM by Padraig18
I am not native-born, but I have lived here since I was 11. Can you please explain to me, in under 250 words, precisely why I should not be able to run for President or Vice-President at, say, 55? I met ALL the requirements for citizenship, have renounced my alliegance to ALL other nations (Ireland is where I was born), etc. (something none of you native-born folk are required to do) . Why, after (presumably) 44 years as a citizen, doing all of the proper 'citizenly' things, should I NOT be eligible?
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