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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 08:17 AM
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What should Dems do with acceptable Supreme Court Justice nominee?
I know 'acceptable' is a loaded word, but will it be better in the long run to let this one pass?

I think the Democrats need to start working on their own approval ratings, and this may be a way to show that they are willing to work with the other side.

Of course, who actually believes that Bush won't try to distract the media with someone really controversial?
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 08:18 AM
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1. I think Dems can vote whatever way they want
as long as they don't filibuster. I think this is a battle we don't want to fight.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 08:20 AM
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3. I think that's right
Of course Democrats who don't liek who Bush puts up (and even a best case scenario isn't likely to be all that good) should vote against the candidate. The question is under what circumstances do we adopt the scorched earth tactic of the filibuster? It might be necessary, but we'll have to see.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 08:23 AM
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5. I don't know if it
will matter. They WILL change the court (whether by breaking Senate rules or democratic capitulation). They've won as far as civil rights, corporate and states rights over people, etc. until retirements sometime way into the future.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 08:19 AM
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2. This one will be the one
Edited on Tue Jul-19-05 08:19 AM by mmonk
that tips the court's balance of power.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 08:36 AM
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8. I agree - just how anti-Abortion is Edith Joy Clement
finds from google:

"I received the following email this morning from a reliable source and long-time SA reader:

Morning ....,

Our office got a call yesterday from __________ of the with questions on Judge Clement. She’s on the short-short list, apparently, and she’s one of us. Things are looking good!"

and:

http://www.sctnomination.com/blog/archives/2005/06/profile_of_pote_3.html

Profile of Potential Supreme Court Nominee - Judge Edith Brown Clement
Brief biography:
Judge Clement currently sits on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit. Prior to her appointment by President George W. Bush, she was a judge on the U.S. District Court, Eastern District of Louisiana (1991-2001) and a lawyer with Jones, Walker, Waechter, Poitevent, Carrere & Denegre in New Orleans (1975-1991).

Judge Clement was born in Birmingham Alabama in 1948. She attended the University of Alabama and Tulane Law School. She clerked for Judge Herbert W. Christenberry, a U.S. District Court judge for the Eastern District of Louisiana.

Notable opinions:
A majority opinion in Vogler v. Blackmore, 352 F.3d 150 (5th Cir. 2003), reducing a jury verdict for pain and suffering damages to the estates of a mother and three-year old daughter killed when an eighteen-wheel tractor trailer crossed the highway center-line and ran over their car. The damages to the mother were reduced from $200,000 to $30,000 and the pain and suffering award for the daughter was eliminated entirely based on the lack of specific evidence about the daughter's "awareness of the impending collision."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/07/11/opinion/main708080.shtml

So Long Sandra, Hello Edith?

July 11, 2005 Supreme Court Vacancies

<snip>Edith Jones has the sharper definition as a conservative, tagged as pro-life in her perspective, and she is bound to draw the heaviest fire. Joy Clement, in contrast, would be a harder target: Her own specialty was in maritime law; she has not dealt, in her opinions, with the hot-button issues of abortion and gay rights; and she has stirred no controversies in her writings or in her speeches off the bench. She would be the most disarming nominee, and it would be a challenge even for Ralph Neas or Moveon.org to paint her as an ogre who could scare the populace. The main unease would come in the family of conservatives: If people don't know her personally, they will suspect another Souter or Kennedy. For they have seen the hazard in relying on the assurances given even by the most reliable conservatives, who claim they can vouch for the nominee. <snip>


And what is that most important work? For the conservatives, the most consequential shift would come in flipping the decision on Stenberg v. Carhart (2000) and upholding the federal ban on partial-birth abortion. Either one of the Ediths would guarantee that outcome; and in my own reckoning, such a decision on partial-birth abortion would virtually bring to an end the Roe v. Wade regime. For it would send up a signal to legislatures throughout the country that the Court was now open for business in sustaining many varieties of restriction on abortion. They might be measures to require the method of abortion most likely to preserve the life of the child, or measures actually to bar abortions late in pregnancy, or abortions ordered up because of the likely disabilities or afflictions of the child (e.g., Down's syndrome, spina bifida). Just whether or when Roe v. Wade is actually, explicitly overturned may cease to matter quite as much. For in the meantime, the public would have the chance to get used to a continuing train of laws restricting and regulating abortion. Ordinary people would be drawn in to talk again about the circumstances under which abortions may be justified. And that talk, among ordinary folk, will become more and more common because those they elect, sitting in local legislatures, will be enfranchised again to pass laws and make judgments on these matters.

If that sense of things is right, then it could make a notable difference if the decision that upholds the law on partial-birth abortion -- and the decision turning the law on abortion onto a different axis -- were written and announced by a woman. That is not to give in to the small-mindedness that is everywhere about us. For there are enough clichés abounding, tagging the right to abortion as "a woman's right." The cliché masks the fact that women, in the aggregate, have ever been more reserved about abortion than men, and that the strongest support for abortion has steadily come from middle- and upper-class white men. When the Court begins to explain again the grounds for protecting children in the womb, that account may produce a more lasting resonance if the explanation comes from a woman. At the same time, we could only run the risk of feeding the worst clichés in our politics if the only woman on the Court was Ruth Ginsberg, and if the Voice of the Woman on the Court spoke only in the accents of the Left. The commentators who have been clamoring these days for "balance" on the Court have not exactly been clamoring for a balance between women. And yet it would be no descent into a low politics to show that a woman’s perspective may express itself in an attachment to the moral tradition and to a conservative jurisprudence. <snip>
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The implication is that this is the best Bush will offer up! Does not seem much of a compromise until you think about Edith Jones of the 5th! So should we be cheering somebody who is for reducing liability judgements and would nibble away at regulating abortions to make Roe v. Wade irrelavant?


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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 08:22 AM
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4. Filibuster everything!
Not really!
It all depends on the appointee and the conscience of the Senator. The future of the Court and America lies in their hands.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 08:29 AM
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6. I'd rather go down fighting
for history's sake.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 08:33 AM
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7. Depends what you mean by 'acceptable.' Extreme scrutiny
is due in any case, even for apparent moderates.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 08:41 AM
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10. Agree.
I just hope he picks someone moderate.
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 08:37 AM
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9. If They Nominated Someone "acceptable" We should Confirm Damn Quickly
and get back to putting parts of this corrupt administration in jail. If it needn't be a distraction. Let's not make it one.

But, like you note, the chances of that happening are slim to none...
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 08:46 AM
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11. I think he could do one of two things to distract...
1) Nominate a well-liked women who is somewhat moderate. Doing this may give him a boost in his approval ratings. This isn't much of a distraction, but it is a possibility.

2) Nominate a wacko(Bolton type), that is very controversial. This would guarantee to prolong the confirmation and distract the media.
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