David Horowitz, media whore, on NPR blames U.S. for WW2.

[Deep13]

A little while ago on the Diane Rhiem Show, some right-wing hack, David Horowitz, was bitching about liberal bias in universities. (So the most educated people in the nation think the liberals are right. Just want to be clear about that). He traced this trend back to Woodrow Wilson and blamed him for W.W. II. He did not explain how Wilson pulled this off. Apparently, the USA is responsible for WW2, not Hitler.
:wtf:

[cloudythescribbler]

1. I think you misuse the term MEDIA WHORE-- just a Nazi apologist

Media whores follow what the MSM media, or at least the FOX/Sinclair wing of it says. This guy is just out there, with his own trip

[Deep13]

4. I'll keep that in mind.

[imenja]

6. I seriously doubt Horowitz, a jew, is a Nazi apologist

[bryant69]

18. Old timey nazis probably not

But modern day fascists? Well go check out his site and tell me what you think. http://www.frontpagemag.com/

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[imenja]

2. I suppose it's because WWI set the context for WWII

and the very onerous terms imposed on Germany at the end of WWII are commonly sited as leading to the rise of hostile nationalism in Germany.
I suppose Horowitz despises Wilson's efforts to create the League of Nations too.

[Deep13]

5. Yeah, but Wilson was agsinst all of that.

Had the Allies put their hate aside and imposed more merciful terms as recommended by Wilson, WW2 may have been averted.

[imenja]

9. yes, it's not a rational argument

but I can't think of what else he might mean. He might see the US entry into WWI as reckless and helping lead to the outcome.

[Hobarticus]

13. Horowitz doesn't know what the hell he's talking about...

He could Google "Treat of Versailles" and get a clue.

Did he even mention the Treaty, at all, or is he just blowing smoke?

[Spider Jerusalem]

19. See #17 (n/t)

[90-percent]

3. WWII responsibility

I thought the root was the winning nations humililating the losers economically and totally? The USA took great care not to repeat that mistake after WWII.

-85%

[Deep13]

7. Yes, but it was over the objection of the U.S.

Wilson was reluctant to sign the Versailles treaty and the Senate refused to ratify it.

[Jack Rabbit]

8. Horowitz wasn't any better when he was a left wing whore

We may have been less annoyed at his conclusions in those days, but he arrived at them by logic that was just as fallacious as this.

We can do without that. Horowitz fits in better over there.

[DefenseLawyer]

10. Well I assume he refers to the argument

that after WWI the allies imposed a crushing set of sanctions and restrictions on Germany in the treaty of versailles. This made conditions in Germany very bad and created the kind of poverty and resentment among Germans such that the nazis could gain politic traction. Horowitz is a hack. There certainly are some lessons to be learned from the treaty of versailles, but how he can say this was the fault of "liberals" is beyond me. Wilson was not the author of the treaty and the US was certainly not the driving force behind it. I'm surprised he didn't manage to blame Clinton for WWII.

[Deep13]

11. "I'm surprised he didn't manage to blame Clinton for WWII."

If the show was a little longer, he probably would have.

[Sparkman]

16. Your Clinton/WWII is close, but an anachronism. He caused 9/11 and Madrid

Which can be said about any president that doesn't pre-emptively self-defend us and then NUKE-TIL-GLOWING-GREEN perceived threats.

[Hobarticus]

12. Wilson actually wasn't happy with the Treaty of Versailles....

Only a few of his terms were realized. France and Britain pretty much made the terms. He correctly thought it unduly punished Germany and would sow the seeds for another war.

Britain and France wanted revenge, in the form of harsh reparations, and control of Germany's overseas colonies.

The US didn't even sign the Treaty of Versailles, and signed a seperate treaty with Germany.

Before I get named a Nazi apologist, I'm merely stating that this set the stage for the rise of Hitler.

[NoPasaran]

14. It's obvious

Wilson included the restoration of Poland in the Fourteen Points. Without it, there would have been nowhere for Hitler to invade. :sarcasm:

[Lecky]

15. n/t

[Spider Jerusalem]

17. This sounds like it's probably based to some extent...

on Winston Churchill's argument that the US ought not to have entered WWI, the thrust of which was that had the US NOT entered the war, there probably would have been a negotiated peace not later than 1919, what with the Allies and the Central Powers both exhausted; that the terms would probably have been more agreeable to Germany, rather than the draconian penalties imposed at Versailles; and that Hitler's rise to power would probably never have occurred. There may or may not be something to the argument, but things didn't happen that way, and so it's nothing more than useless speculation.

[Yavin4]

20. In A Sense, Horowitz Is Right

Post-war periods are more important to long-term peace than the actual war itself. If the post-war period is not handled properly, the war will return. In our own history, we're still living with the effects of botching the post-Civil War years.


Think of war as a fire. If you don't put the fire completely out, it has a good chance of returning.

[imenja]

22. blaming Wilson for post WWI Europe is unsound

He did not support the harsh terms negotiated at Versailles and imagined a far more cooperative and idealistic resolution.

[Yavin4]

23. Let Me Clarify. I Said "In A Sense"

which means that Horowitz is correct in that mis-handling a post-war will lead to more war in the future. See Iraq today. I'm not saying that Hororwitz is right in attacking Wilson, but he is right about mis-handling Europe post-WWI lead to Hitler's rie.

[VioletLake]

21. WW2 was mostly about ideology.

Fascists launched a preemptive war to dominate the world and cleanse it of leftists. They were scared to death of communism in particular. Perhaps the conditions after WW1 facilitated the dirty deed, but all the pieces were in place. Horowitz is a fool.

[applegrove]

24. This is standard Neocon Myth-making. Other people than the

right wing are responsible for the world's troubles..so the nearest democrat has to be blamed. Wilson did divide up the world in a sorry way. But nobody - but NOBODY is responsible for what happened to Europe in the 1930s & 1940s than Hitler.

They like "re-history".