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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 07:22 PM
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Just heard Clark say he wants to re-instate the FAIRNESS DOCTRINE....
YEEEEEAAAAAHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Says he listens to about 8 hours of hate-talk-radio a day and figures it's coming from straight out of the White House....

I love this guy........
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searchingforlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 07:23 PM
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1. That does intrigue me. Good for him.
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 07:24 PM
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2. Wesley's spot on in this remark on ...
all counts.

He batted a thousand on that one.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 07:25 PM
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3. A big thumbs up there****
Keep it coming!
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 07:25 PM
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4. Where did you hear it?
n/t
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Jolene Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 07:26 PM
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5. Said it when he was
mingling in the crowd. Also spoke out against corporate monopoly. :D
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 07:28 PM
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6. I will be impressed if he makes it part of his platform...
...and announces these policies during national debates.
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 07:31 PM
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8. Town hall meeting in New Hampshire for about 75 minutes.
Edited on Fri Sep-26-03 07:32 PM by JohnOneillsMemory
It will be rerun at 1am EST time on C-SPAN.ORG streaming.
I just caught the last 15 minutes and was amazed at what he said and how he said it. And I've been raising flags against this MIC militarist with war crimes charges against him as a trojan horse. He sure says all the right things. I wonder if he's reclaiming his soul and conscience and ego now that he's retired...hmmmm.....I think his enormous intellect and ego is telling him 'these BFEE chumps have ruined the playing board and I can play saviour'...hmmm...I'm watching the full rerun tonight for sure.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 07:28 PM
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7. Thumbs up
:thumbsup:

...
PITT: For a great many people across the political spectrum, the number one issue of concern is the vast and growing power of corporations within government, and even more so within the media. It can be argued that one of the main reasons why the Bush administration continues to enjoy the approval ratings it does is because the news media has been demonstrably derelict in its duties. Where do you stand on the power of corporations in America, particularly within the media? Do you have any thoughts or ideas on how that might be dealt with?

DEAN: I do. I think, first of all, it is true that the media has a conservative bias, and is being well-funded by conservative people like Rupert Murdoch. There is no question about that. But I also believe that part of the fault belongs to the Democrats, because the Democrats don't stand up and therefore there is no other side to cover. We've got to do that. Now, some of them are doing it during election time, but it's a little late. Here's what we need to do. In politics, sometimes one single event can crystallize what the problem is. For me, when the Cumulus Corporation, which owns a lot of radio stations, kicked the Dixie Chicks off their networks – a couple hundred radio stations – I realized that media corporations have too much power. What they were doing was using a public resource, i.e. the airwaves, and removing the ability to view and represent both sides of an issue.

When you have that kind of power, you have too much power. I believe we need to re-regulate the media, go back to limiting the number of stations that can be controlled in one particular area, so we can be sure that the American people get moderate, conservative and liberal points of view.

PITT: You're talking about reinstating the Fairness Doctrine.

DEAN: Yes, reinstating controls over how many outlets you can own in any particular media market. The media has clearly abused their privilege, and it is hurting our democracy. Deregulation in many areas has simply proved to be bad for America, bad for the American economy, bad for the average working person, and bad for democracy. We need to take a different view. Some deregulation is a good thing. We went too far, and now we need to cut back.

PITT: Given the fact that the Republicans control Congress, if you were to win the election in November, how will you go about getting these kinds of policies through a Republican-controlled Congress?

DEAN: I won't have to. I'll simply appoint different kinds of people to the FCC, and they'll be more pro-consumer and pro-average American than they will be pro-corporation.
...
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/052203A.shtml
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 08:09 PM
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16. Now if we could get the other EIGHT on this train....
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 09:04 PM
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24. Does Dean know what the Fairness Doctrine is?
PITT: You're talking about reinstating the Fairness Doctrine.

DEAN: Yes, reinstating controls over how many outlets you can own in any particular media market. The media has clearly abused their privilege, and it is hurting our democracy. Deregulation in many areas has simply proved to be bad for America, bad for the American economy, bad for the average working person, and bad for democracy. We need to take a different view. Some deregulation is a good thing. We went too far, and now we need to cut back.


That doesn't show an understanding of the FD.
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WillyBrandt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 01:34 AM
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33. Good catch
I thought the Fairness Doctrine dealt with the range and balance of political views a given broadcaster put out, not ownership controls, which is a different but related beast.

But at least there is one candidate who has spoken coherently on the Fairness Doctrine: Wesley K. Clark, a Progressive for President.
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Hokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 07:31 PM
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9. Clark Town Hall Meeting
I had not really watched Clark before this town hall meeting. This guy must have Rove on popping Tums by the handull. Clark is good, very good. I would be happy to have him in either position on the ticket. I would love to see him take on the Chimp in a debate.
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WesWing2004 Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 09:12 PM
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26. we'd have to give DimSon a huge handicap
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 07:34 PM
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10. No shit? That's great! You know what I think?
I think that the longer Clark stays in the race, the more Left he'll swing. Why? Not that he's ignorant of what Government is all about but that he's finally being challenged to determine right from wrong in the political/societal/economic stage.

Not just in a niche market or a single issue but the whole ball of wax that we call America. It isn't as simple as the neoCONs would lead us to believe and a bright naturally Liberal person will trend farther to the Left as they get more information.

So why do you think he now supports the Fairness Doctrine? Because he sees, like America did at the dawn of the TV Age, that the media has to parrot what those in power say, those out of power are shit outta luck, what the Administration says is "News" whether you like it or not. The Fairness Doctrine forces open dissemination of dissent.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 09:14 PM
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27. Why does he support the Fairness Doctrine?
Because he supports the Constitution. He has said on several occasions that if the Constition is to remain strong the people must be given a reason dialogue in which to participate. The current shouting that passes for debate allows the Congress to duck its accountability for the shit that they pull. He refers to this as "Constitutional Legitimacy." It was one of the first things I heard that made me take a closer look at this man.
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jumptheshadow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 07:38 PM
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11. He did very well tonight
He seems to be a quick study on the stump. He is growing by leaps and bounds every day.

My apolitical partner joined me to watch the town meeting. She says that Clark is really beginning to interest her. She reads any stories she sees now that are related to him.

She told me he sounds so intelligent, so decent and so qualified that she can't quite believe he will actually make it to the presidency.
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 07:38 PM
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12. I heard it too.. and I also really liked..
his answer to the last question in the formal Q&A -- he commented that it wasn't Americans aren't hated around the world so much as American policy, and that if we wanted the respect of the world we needed to treat each other nation with respect and not bully them around.

Can I believe him? At this point it's not that I'm skeptical of Wesley Clark, it's that any presidential candidate is "guilty until proven innocent" of being willing to continue with the precedent of war-for-expediency. So now he's a wild card to me -- a smart man, not an embarrassment -- but an unknown.

I'd really like to hear ALL of the candidates' answers about Plan Colombia for example.

Overall I thought Clark did really well, for the parts of the townhall meeting that I was able to see (between rambunctious toddler interruptions). I definitely will try to watch the repeat of it tonight when Cspan rebroadcasts it at 10 or 11.

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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 07:54 PM
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13. I wonder if he heard Limboob's 2 hr. flamefest today..
Edited on Fri Sep-26-03 07:54 PM by Kahuna
I mean, for two straight hours Limboob dissected Clark's performance and prior remarks about the bush cabal. I was cracking up.
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HardWiredDemocrat Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 07:58 PM
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14. I'm sold on this guy and . . .
I Love DU!
:yourock:
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Clark Can WIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 08:12 PM
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17. Welcome to DU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let me warn you there will be a couple of times when you think "who the hell are these people and what am I doing here?"

Stick with it. It's pretty fun here.

The collective of Clark potted plants welcomes you :loveya:
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HardWiredDemocrat Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 08:21 PM
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20. Thanks
Been lurking here for over a year (at work) and now I'm out.
So far so good!
I presume I'll need flame-retardant underwear at some point.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 03:04 AM
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36. Watch out for that Evil DUer
God_bush_n_cheney oh wait...that's me.

Er-um Welcome to DU :hi:
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 08:23 PM
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21. It took me 100 posts to proclaim that I love DU...
But welcome. Now send them $20. :hi:
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HardWiredDemocrat Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 08:41 PM
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23. Done++
And my pleasure!:D
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 12:14 AM
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29. Well. you know what I say to all the NEW PEOPLE????
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 08:06 PM
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15. Man do we ever need that back
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 08:13 PM
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18. Is This Going To Be Replayed?
I don't know how th e hell I missed it.

Jay
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 08:16 PM
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19. C-span at 1:00 am EST
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 08:35 PM
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22. Thanks BB. I'm Going To have To Set Up A Wesley Clark...
wish list.

Jay
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 09:07 PM
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25. The more Clark speaks the better I like him!
For the sake of our country and the entire world I earnestly hope that Clark is the Dem nominee. He will win the presidency and allow all of us to proudly state our citizenship once again.
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 09:27 PM
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28. NH Town meeting
with Clark was very impressive. Liked what he had to say and how he said it. I think he has something that this country needs at this time - a belief in the possibilities of this country.

Please catch the rerun if you can.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 01:09 AM
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30. Clark is looking like he's the real deal.
At a town hall meeting on C-SPAN a woman asked if he'd continue denying suffering patients medical marijuana and he said, "No."

Now, let's see how the rest of his positions shake out. If he's as good as advertised, wow! We DEMs have really lucked out this guy's on our side.
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phegger Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 01:25 AM
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31. Aw c'mon
you know that's just part of the rethug plot

j/k



-ph :crazy:
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 06:18 AM
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38. it's not like it's hard to use leftwing talking points
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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 01:28 AM
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32. Very cool...
he on my short list Dean/Clark/Kerry hope
he comes out to the press with this.

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JackDragna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 02:04 AM
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34. Amen.
It's about time. The dominance of the right on public airwaves has been a tremendous boon to them. Time to break their stranglehold.
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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 02:55 AM
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35. One point for Clark
On the fairness doctrine

(but you'll have to win over the house to get that back)
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 06:00 AM
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37. Background: Fairness Doctrine
- Note to moderators: the following is in the public domain...

FAIRNESS DOCTRINE

U.S. Broadcasting Policy

The policy of the United States Federal Communications Commission that became known as the "Fairness Doctrine" is an attempt to ensure that all coverage of controversial issues by a broadcast station be balanced and fair. The FCC took the view, in 1949, that station licensees were "public trustees," and as such had an obligation to afford reasonable opportunity for discussion of contrasting points of view on controversial issues of public importance. The Commission later held that stations were also obligated to actively seek out issues of importance to their community and air programming that addressed those issues. With the deregulation sweep of the Reagan Administration during the 1980s, the Commission dissolved the fairness doctrine.

This doctrine grew out of concern that because of the large number of applications for radio station being submitted and the limited number of frequencies available, broadcasters should make sure they did not use their stations simply as advocates with a singular perspective. Rather, they must allow all points of view. That requirement was to be enforced by FCC mandate.

From the early 1940s, the FCC had established the "Mayflower Doctrine," which prohibited editorializing by stations. But that absolute ban softened somewhat by the end of the decade, allowing editorializing only if other points of view were aired, balancing that of the station's. During these years, the FCC had established dicta and case law guiding the operation of the doctrine.

In ensuing years the FCC ensured that the doctrine was operational by laying out rules defining such matters as personal attack and political editorializing (1967). In 1971 the Commission set requirements for the stations to report, with their license renewal, efforts to seek out and address issues of concern to the community. This process became known as "Ascertainment of Community Needs," and was to be done systematically and by the station management.

The fairness doctrine ran parallel to Section 315 of the Communications Act of 1937 which required stations to offer "equal opportunity" to all legally qualified political candidates for any office if they had allowed any person running in that office to use the station. The attempt was to balance--to force an even handedness. Section 315 exempted news programs, interviews and documentaries. But the doctrine would include such efforts. Another major difference should be noted here: Section 315 was federal law, passed by Congress. The fairness doctrine was simply FCC policy.

The FCC fairness policy was given great credence by the 1969 U.S. Supreme Court case of Red Lion Broadcasting Co., Inc. v. FCC . In that case, a station in Pennsylvania, licensed by Red Lion Co., had aired a "Christian Crusade" program wherein an author, Fred J. Cook, was attacked. When Cook requested time to reply in keeping with the fairness doctrine, the station refused. Upon appeal to the FCC, the Commission declared that there was personal attack and the station had failed to meet its obligation. The station appealed and the case wended its way through the courts and eventually to the Supreme Court. The court ruled for the FCC, giving sanction to the fairness doctrine.

The doctrine, nevertheless, disturbed many journalists, who considered it a violation of First Amendment rights of free speech/free press which should allow reporters to make their own decisions about balancing stories. Fairness, in this view, should not be forced by the FCC. In order to avoid the requirement to go out and find contrasting viewpoints on every issue raised in a story, some journalists simply avoided any coverage of some controversial issues. This "chilling effect" was just the opposite of what the FCC intended.

By the 1980s, many things had changed. The "scarcity" argument which dictated the "public trustee" philosophy of the Commission, was disappearing with the abundant number of channels available on cable TV. Without scarcity, or with many other voices in the marketplace of ideas, there were perhaps fewer compelling reasons to keep the fairness doctrine. This was also the era of deregulation when the FCC took on a different attitude about its many rules, seen as an unnecessary burden by most stations. The new Chairman of the FCC, Mark Fowler, appointed by President Reagan, publicly avowed to kill to fairness doctrine.

By 1985, the FCC issued its Fairness Report , asserting that the doctrine was no longer having its intended effect, might actually have a "chilling effect" and might be in violation of the First Amendment. In a 1987 case, Meredith Corp. v. FCC, the courts declared that the doctrine was not mandated by Congress and the FCC did not have to continue to enforce it. The FCC dissolved the doctrine in August of that year.

However, before the Commission's action, in the spring of 1987, both houses of Congress voted to put the fairness doctrine into law--a statutory fairness doctrine which the FCC would have to enforce, like it or not. But President Reagan, in keeping with his deregulatory efforts and his long-standing favor of keeping government out of the affairs of business, vetoed the legislation. There were insufficient votes to override the veto. Congressional efforts to make the doctrine into law surfaced again during the Bush administration. As before, the legislation was vetoed, this time by Bush.

The fairness doctrine remains just beneath the surface of concerns over broadcasting and cablecasting, and some members of congress continue to threaten to pass it into legislation. Currently, however, there is no required balance of controversial issues as mandated by the fairness doctrine. The public relies instead on the judgment of broadcast journalists and its own reasoning ability to sort out one-sided or distorted coverage of an issue. Indeed, experience over the past several years since the demise of the doctrine shows that broadcasters can and do provide substantial coverage of controversial issues of public importance in their communities, including contrasting viewpoints, through news, public affairs, public service, interactive and special programming.

-Val E. Limburg

FURTHER READING

Aufderheide, Patricia. "After the Fairness Doctrine: Controversial Broadcast Programming and the Public Interest." Journal of Communication (New York), Summer, 1990.

Benjamin, Louise M. "Broadcast Campaign Precedents From the 1924 Presidential Election." Journal of Broadcasting & Electronic Media (Washington, D.C.), Fall, 1987.

Brennan, Timothy A. "The Fairness Doctrine as Public Policy." Journal of Broadcasting & Electronic Media (Washington, D.C.), Fall, 1989.

Broadcasters and the Fairness Doctrine: Hearing Before the Subcommittee on Telecommunications and Finance of the Committee. United States Congress. House Committee on Energy and Commerce. Subcommittee on Telecommunications and Finance. Washington, D.C. U.S. Congressional Documents, 1989.

Cronauer, Adrian. "The Fairness Doctrine: A Solution in Search of a Problem." (Symposium: The Transformation of Television News). Federal Communications Law Journal (Los Angeles, California), October, 1994.

Donahue, Hugh Carter. "The Fairness Doctrine Is Shackling Broadcasting." Technology Review (Cambridge, Massachusetts), November-December, 1986.

Hazlett, Thomas W. "The Fairness Doctrine and the First Amendment." Public Interest (New York), Summer, 1989.

Krueger, Elizabeth. "Broadcasters' Understanding of Political Broadcast Regulation." Journal of Broadcasting & Electronic Media (Washington, D.C.), Summer 1991.

Rowan, Ford. Broadcast Fairness: Doctrine, Practice, Prospects: A Reappraisal of the Fairness Doctrine and Equal Time Rule. New York: Longmans, 1984.

Simmons, Steven J. The Fairness Doctrine and the Media. Berkeley, California: University of California Press, 1978.

Streeter, Thomas. "Beyond Freedom of Speech and the Public Interest: The Relevance of Critical Legal Studies to Communications Policy. Journal of Communication (New York), Spring, 1990.

 
http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/F/htmlF/fairnessdoct/fairnessdoct.htm
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