Kiss RoveGate/TraitorGate GOODBYE! SCOTUS Nom. coming TODAY!

[goodboy]

MSNBC reporting SCOTUS nomination will come this afternoon!


So you can forget about any more coverage of TRAITORGATE in the MSM.

Poor Judy Miller (sarcasm) She's gonna be sittin' in the slammer, and everyone will forget about her, because they'll be paying attention to the new SCOTUS nomination.

[TayTay]

1. Really!

So does this mean that Hardball cancels it's WEEK long look at the CIA security breech. Does this mean that David Gregory at NBC got the 'cease and desist' memo from his bosses and will sit down and be a good boy at press conferences now.

I don't think so. I think the attention can be sustained on this issue and on a SCOTUS nominee. (Depends on the nominee, anyway.)

[goodboy]

11. Tweety's a repuke lap dog, David Gregory will do as he's told.

I sincerely hope you're right, and I'm wrong.

But the talk was, Chimpy would nominate someone in late August.

Now he's nominating someone today. The only reason is to take the focus off of Rove, and the disaster in Iraq.

[Cassandra]

2. Fortunately...

Fitzgerald doesn't need to pay attention right now to who is nominated to the SC.
Don't worry, Rove will still be available for fun later.

[xxqqqzme]

20. unless he nominates Fitzgerald!!

n/t

[Rainbowreflect]

34. Now that would be interesting!

[gkhouston]

39. it would, but Fitzgerald would probably just

tell them to piss up a rope. Doesn't sound like the sort of guy who can be bought off or easily distracted.

[fooj]

3. I think that the Scotus nomination will create a stir...

BUT THERE IS NO WAY THE ROVE STORY IS GOING ANYWHERE! IMO, it's got legs and it's running like hell. We can only hope.

[goodboy]

23. I want to believe that, fooj, but the same thing was said about the

DSM...

I can't remember the last time I heard a reporter mention that.

[fooj]

32. They mentioned it on Hardball yesterday.

I know what you're saying. It's frustrating as hell, isn't it? I just keep praying to our "angel"...He'll make sure we even the score.

Peace.

[gkhouston]

41. this has already gotten *much* wider play in the media

than DSM. I'm overhearing people talking about it in public in a way that I wasn't with DSM. I don't think the SCOTUS nomination is going to be the distraction that blivet** is hoping for.

[Uzybone]

55. No one really cared about DSM

it told us liberals what we already knew. Judging from the polls it also told 60% of the country what they already came to realize. Only hardcore lefties really thought DSM was going anywhere.

[Dr Fate]

63. Imagine making that excuse if the DSM was under Clinton, Gore or Kerry.

If it had been so, every top Republican would be on TV TODAY talking about it.

[Dr Fate]

64. Reporters? I cant remeber the last time a top Democrat mentioned the DSM.

Why are still waiting for the Republican owned media to discuss that issue?

[goodboy]

69. .

[Goldmund]

4. You think Fitz will dismiss the Grand Jury?

"Sorry guys, I have to go watch the SCOTUS nomination".

Also, my hunch is that this story will not be as big as everyone thinks. Bush can't afford to get into an even deeper political clusterfuck than the one he's already in by nominating a total wingnut. He'll nominate somebody lukewarm, and the conservatives will be more up-in-arms than liberals. Just a hunch.

[goodboy]

13. No, but the MSM will drop it like a hot potato. They always do!

[Goldmund]

17. I doubt it

If this story were a "hot potato" they wouldn't have been sinking their teeth into it like they have this past week.

Besides, even if that were true, the legal process will continue and once it yields results the media will have no choice but to cover it.

[ProfessorGAC]

16. I Agree With You, Goldmund

His political capital is tenuously light right now. He can't afford another fight he can't win. If Fitz comes down with indictments of big names as the congressional GOP spoils for a fight over an unjustified nomination, his political capital will have the value of Confederate scrip.
The Professor

[nadinbrzezinski]

46. One exception

I fear Confederate script has more value (to collectors that is) than The boy who wanted to be king political capital...

Now reach for the popcorn kids, this is gonna be fun

[BR_Parkway]

5. Maybe Fitz has been waiting to get the indictments until SCOTUS

was announced, knowing it would knock off the competing coverage.

The man strikes me as very savvy and smart, look at the record of convictions he's gotten in the other scandals.

So, knowing the SCOTUS fight knocks off the coverage, hold the indictments until the announcement has been made and has a few days to get talked to death - THEN, ask the GJ to hand down the indictments, let the public speculation become the firestorm and lead to a few resignations. The prosecution of a crime against someone who has resigned in a scandal over said crime has to be much easier to convince the jury.

Let's face it, if Fitz is going to shoot for the king, he needs to kill the king; isn't that the common logic of that old saying?

[proud patriot]

6. and be ready for a controversial nominee

x(

[GR]

14. I Agree....Someone Who Will Create A Real ....

shitstorm....

Not the person they are bandying about now...

[goodboy]

25. oh no doubt. They'll nominate a super-fascist, then the Dems will

go to "war" over the nomination.

Frist pulls the nukular option.


Kiss rove-gate goodbye.

[DistressedAmerican]

7. I Think They Can Handle Both. They Are Pissed That Reporters Are In Jail.

Why do people always act like American can not handle two news satories in a day?

Just wait for next week. The New Abu Ghraib photos come out (are turned over to the ACLU) at the end of this week. Maybe they'll finally drop the fucking missing girl in Aruba story!

[goodboy]

18. DA, the best thing that could happen is that the MSM focuses on the

political timing of the nomination, and opens up a new line of attack against the WH.

Even Stevie Wonder can see the WH is desperate for a diversion from TraitorGate. What else do they have besides this SCOTUS nomination?

A terror attack? Possibly.

[DistressedAmerican]

28. You Are Right About That. That Is They Way To Tie It All Together!

[nadinbrzezinski]

47. Hold it this is not about the people who cannot walk

and chew gum at the same time, this is about the stenography corp that seems unable to do such... on orders from Minitrue

[SaveElmer]

8. I think the real harm is to the RW counterattack

The Fitzgerald inquiry is fueling Rovegate, once the furor over the SC dies down, the media will come back. However, the lamo spin the RW is trying to mount in dfense of ROve requires constant media attention. They are counting on the notion that a lie, if repeated enough, will be accepted as truth. This will interrupt that cycle.

[Goldmund]

10. Great point.

[goodboy]

26. repeating lies until they become 'truth' is what fascist regimes do.

good point.

I just hope the MSM doesn't go to sleep on this.

[libertypirate]

9. All they are doing is buying time....

[GR]

22. Someone Drew And Interesting Parallel With Rove Buying Time...

and Clinton buying time. I have never agreed with the conventional wisdom that it's always best to come clean from the beginning...I think Clinton would have had to resign if he'd come clean on Lewinsky immediately and Rove would have had to resign...but the difference is...Clinton was guilty of lying about a consensual extramarital affair and Rove is guilty of exposing an undercover agent and god knows how many ancillary agents and operations resulting in the possible deaths of great numbers of people...So he won't skate...even though he has bought some time...and possibly saved Bush's reelection by buying that time...

If he had come clean from the beginning...it might be, President John F. Kerry...

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

12. Nope. I couldn't disagree more.

L'Affaire Plame isn't going away. Coverage may subside now and then, either because of stories the B.F.E.E. deliberately feeds the media or events it times, or because of events that just happen -- but it will continue because the Special Prosecutor isn't finished yet. The fact that the media isn't covering it will have no effect on what Fitzgerald does. The matter will fester in the background, just like Watergate. Except for the WaPo, the media didn't cover Watergate for a long time, either; but it all came out when it got too hot to ignore. This story, I think, is very similar. There will be a new Supreme Court appointee, and the media will make a big hoo-ha over that for awhile, and shit will continue to happen in Iraq, and maybe we'll find out what happened to the girl who went missing in Aruba, and maybe a few more pretty white girls will disappear, but Fitzgerald's investigation will go on. And eventually he might return indictments -- in fact, I'd bet on it. And then all hell will break loose and the MSM will be all over it again. This one is NOT going away.

[goodboy]

15. Ocelot, I really hope you're right, and I'm wrong. But this always

happens. Remember the DSM?

[Goldmund]

21. There was no legal process connected to the DSM.

And also, the Rove story has very much to do with DSM.

[goodboy]

29. I haven't seen the MSM make that connection yet.. (nt)

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

27. That hasn't gone away either.

That was never a big one with the MSM; it was like pulling teeth to get them to mention it at all. But now it's out there, and it's all part of the Plame/Rove/war lies mess. So when they indict KKKarl and Scooter, that whole thing will unravel. Be patient. Wait. The MSM has the collective attention span of a litter of kittens, and they might run off to chase an interesting new toy for awhile, but this one is the biggest, best ball of yarn they've got, and they'll be back.

[KansDem]

37. I agree 110 %!

DSM is not dead. It's just another way, another angle, of getting to the bottom of the treacherous dealings of this maladministration.


"F*ck Saddam, we're taking him out!"
v
v
v
DSM > > > Bushistas < < < Rovergate
^
^
^
Yellowcake documents

All combined will prove the Iraq War was based on lies.

[Pithy Cherub]

56. The new media spin is , it's complicated! Like the audience

is as stupid as they are. People follow complicated plots in movies, TV soap operas and reality shows and the media has the audacity to say the story is complicated.

No, the "storytellers" are incompetent - get better writers. ;)

[bribri16]

24. I think that while we are focused on SCOTUS expect another terror

event. This time in the UK and US at the same time. Just my gut feeling. Everytime Bush or Blair comes out with Rambo rhetoric, they strike somewhere. They don't want anything taking away their front page coverage so expect it to be huge.

Plamegate, traitorgate, and DSM are all one issue: lying and smearing to get us into an illegal, immoral, and unwinnable war.

[longship]

19. That's okay. The Plame/Rove Affair isn't going away.

The Plame/Rove Affair is a dish that needs to cook a long time for optimum results. So while the M$M is busy covering other things, there's Plame/Rove simmerin' away on the back burner.

A SCOTUS nominee is very important news. It's inevitable that it will consume much time on the media. So Plame might get pushed to the back burner for a while. That's fine because the media isn't the one cookin' up Plame/Rove, it's the grand jury, special prosecutor, and the judge, not the newsies.

During Watergate there were weeks when not a peep was heard. But along came a revelation and BANG! It would be right back on the front burner again.

[xxqqqzme]

30. Was it Jon Stewart who pointed out

that traitor saurove scandal has now lasted longer than ALL of watergate?

[longship]

36. That's true.

Watergate went between June, 1972 and August, 1974.

But Watergate had a hungry press that needed feeding throughout the whole affair and a majority opposition party. That hurried things along a bit, at least with regards to public opinion.

I'd like to think that the law enforcement side of things would take the same amount of time, no matter what happens in the media, or politically. That probably isn't true, though. There should have been public hearings on Plame/Rove right from the outset, or at least as soon as it became apparent that the WH was stonewalling. But that might not have been as good a result as we might have now.

That's because it is now *very* apparent that the WH has been in deep cover-up mode for two years and that the top of the administration has undoubtedly known about this from the very beginning. There has been a very apparent conspiracy to obstruct justice here. All the time that they've been saying that they're cooperating, they've done everything in their power to impede the investigation.

That was also true of the WH in Watergate, but Watergate had the benefit of public Senate hearings, public statements of a majority opposition party, and a press willing to let the story lead them to the facts. An entirely different environment exists today.

[goodboy]

40. is that true? Wow. I wasn't alive when Watergate happened...but

another interesting parallel is that in Watergate, as it surely will be in Traitorgate, the coverup that brought the house of cards tumbling down.


Two words we should be using all the time:

Coverup
Impeachment

[evil eggplant]

31. maybe

It does seem like Americans lack the capacity to do more than one thing at a time. Yes, Wormtail (wormtail=GWB) will pop some moderate conservative out of his ass. Then the shitstorm will follow.

All the while, Fitz will be hammering away at bushCo. At the very least, expect a few perjury indictments. Unless Fitz is a total bush flunky (which I dint think he is) somebody is gonna have their ass in a sling when this is all over. And remember, all it takes is a single indictment. With that indictment comes a trial. With the trial comes an outpouring of incriminating information, and renewed interest from the press.

Plamegate will still be there when the dust from the SCOTUS appointment settles.

[Beetwasher]

33. IT DOESN'T MATTER! The Damage Is Done

The story is already in the public consciousness and framed to our advantage and the PR battle is IRRELEVANT to Fitz.

Let them divert attention from it now, so what? When Fitz is done and his report is ready, it's going to be bigger than ever (especially if there are indictments). If it goes to a simmer now, it's still going to be percolating, ready to explode when Fitz is done and ready to release his findings.

[Imagevision]

35. Poor Judy Miller? She's getting exactly what she deserves!

[goodboy]

42. oh I know...I was being sarcastic. I don't care if she ever gets out of

jail.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

43. Maybe so; but a lot of journalists are pissed off about it,

and that will only help keep the story on the front page.

[goodboy]

49. They're pissed one of their own is sitting in the slammer, which is

probably the biggest reason why they're not letting this go.

[Walt Starr]

38. Only until the indictments are unsealed

Once Fitzgerald indicts, it'll be all Treasongate all the time.

[goodboy]

44. Do you think the indictments will be because of the 'outing' or

because of perjury, obstruction of justice, etc.

I think that TraitorGate, like Watergate will explode because of the coverup, more than the leak itself.

This has shades of watergate all throught it. How many times did Nixon's admin. say "nobody was involved"

And what did Scotty say about Rove, Libby, etc? "They assured me they were not involved.
So Scotty's got some problems of his own wouldn't ya say, Walt?

[gkhouston]

45. at first, I thought it would only be the outing

but with the information that's come out in the past two weeks, I now think it's going to be the cover-up. Fitzgerald's going to go for perjury/obstruction of justice/conspiracy and scoop the pot. Rove is going to have company.

[goodboy]

50. oh I hope so. Personally, I think Cheney did it. But Rove, Libby,

will fall on the sword to protect him. Hopefully, they'll all go down together, and because of the breach of National Security, they should be held at Guantanamo Bay.,

[gkhouston]

53. why not? I understand the food there is excellent. n/t

[Walt Starr]

59. I think they'll have Rove and Libby on multiple counts for the outting

releasing classified information, perjury, obstruction, conspiracy, and possibly even treason.

I further believe the following people will be indicted or named as unindicted co-conpirators in order of liklihood:

Stephen Hadley
Karen Hughes
Condi Rice
John Bolton
Mary Matalin
Jim Wilkinson
Nicholas Callo
Colin Powell
Dick Cheney
George W. Bush

[goodboy]

61. Walt, if that happes, I'll buy you the biggest bottle of whatever you

drink.

[Walt Starr]

65. Chateau Lafite Rothschild 2002

A Mag will be large enough.

:evilgrin:

[goodboy]

66. About $150.00 right? (nt)

[Walt Starr]

67. A Magnum is about two bottles worth

so figure aroun $300

:evilgrin:

Actually, spend the money on yourself, I'll be buying a major bottle of Champagne when the indictments are handed down, and I'll be smoking a $25 cigar, too.

[dogday]

48. The President Will Announce at 9:00 PM ET

The President will be going on TV tonight to announce his pick....

[goodboy]

51. With much fanfare, and pomp and circumstance, he'll announce which

fascist he chooses to destroy our constitution.

[Pithy Cherub]

52. Temporary lull from SCOTUS nom before Cat 5 sweeps in.

The announcement of indicted and unindicted co-conspirators admidst a confimation hearing will be a BARN BURNER! Can you imagine the senators trying to get the SCOTUS on the record about their loyalty oaths and whther they could vote against a president that had put them on the bench.

This is kabuki theatre with a twist - we don't know how it ends. What we DO KNOW is that Fitgerald is out there with October looming parallel to the SCOTUS nomination. Media whores usually can only follow one thing at a time, but its a new day with new alternative media.

Get your helmets and your :tinfoilhat: and bring lot's of:popcorn:

[spanone]

54. NO it's 9:00 ET. tonight. Prime Time.

[Zen Democrat]

57. Guess what? People are way more interested in Rove than SCOTUS.

[goodboy]

58. We'll find out if you're right after 9pm tonight. I hope you're right.

[Straight Shooter]

60. A blonde CIA agent, a dirty political trickster, much juicier than SCOTUS.

Traitors in the White House? You bet that Americans are a helluva lot more interested in that story than they are in the same old partisan bickering which will almost surely ensue from bush's pick.

Anyway, the Dems are perfectly capable of fighting two different battles at the same time.

bush is walking a tightrope with the SCOTUS nomination and he knows it. He has very little political capital, and he knows it.

[Dr Fate]

62. But Dean , Kerry, Obama, Hillary, will all continue to discuss Rovegate.

RIGHT?

[goodboy]

68. It's already starting...there are threads all over DU discussing the

MSM's flip over to SCOTUS from Traitorgate.