No matter what WE think of Bush*...he has millions of faithful supporters

[Q]

- And like it or not...many 'patriotic' Americans will vote for him simply because he's the CIC during a 'time of war'. They don't care if he lied about the reasons to invade Iraq. They believe he's 'working hard' to protect us and that's all that matters. According to the Faithful...George* brilliantly took the war to Iraq to 'fight terrorists on their own ground'. Their worship for him knows no bounds. He's the anti-Clinton/Democrat/Liberal they've been longing for.

- The American Media may bitch and moan about Bush* on occasion...but they have too much at stake to dump him in 2004. They were complicit in character assassinating Gore and in helping to install Bush* against the will of the people. The media has worked WITH the Bushies to coverup everything from election fraud to 9-11 to corporate/government corruption to the illegal and immoral invasion of Iraq. They're also helping the Bushies in downplaying the thousands of innocent civilians killed in this unnecessary invasion and occupation. (They're not worth counting).

- DUers constantly discuss how Bush* is 'imploding' and 'going down in flames'. They dismiss the fact that George* was able to pull in millions of votes in 2000 despite his horrible record in Texas and drunken-sod of a life devoid of any real accomplishments. He has broken records in raising campaign cash and has successfully used government resources to bring back the 'spoils' system that makes his supporters very happy.

- This brings up an important point: allowing liars to get away with their lies only encourages them to lie again. The Bush* Faithful don't think he's a liar...but a God-fearing man thrown into the hard place of trying to rid the world of terrorism. They consider him a savior who just happens to hate the 'evildoers' (you) as much as they do.

- The Bushies hope that you will underestimate their power to lie and get away with it. They're counting on it in the hope that you'll nominate 'anyone but Bush*'.

- Never underestimate your opponent.

[papau]

1. I agree - Best/only way to beat him is to focus on no ability/and lies

He is a drinking buddy to too many folks.

[XanaDUer]

3. And the economy...

he will lose support if his base starts losing $$$.

[Cappurr]

2. I agree

And I never unestimate Carl Rove or the corruption of this administration. I fully expect a "October Surprise" and we better be ready for it.

One thing we do have going for us is a lot of angry democrats. And even some angry moderates. If we nominate someone who wasn't party to Bush's war or tax cuts (like Clark or Dean) we have a shot. Because a lot of our people will get out and vote.

[diplomats]

4. His hardcore will always support him

but I think one thing he has succeeded in doing is create a growing minority of voters, like us, who despise him as much as his supporters love him. Polls now show his strong disapproval is at least as big as his strong approval. We're as energized as they are. Bush still has obvious advantages but they're not insurmountable.

[LiberalVoice]

6. my biggest fear.

this might seem nuts but i wouldnt put it past this mis-administration. I think that if bush doesnt find any WMD's he'll plant them just after the Democratic candidate has been chosen to run against him. EVERYSINGLE person that dis-approved of him b/c of the war on Iraq and nothing else will go right back to him, and we wont have a chance in hell.

You can call me paranoid but not naive.

[Cappurr]

10. That ain't paranoid

Its realistic. Thing is, few will believe it now. If he got the UN inspectors back in to do a thorough, non-partisan job, and THEY found something, well people might believe. But Bush won't let them in and if he did, they woudn't find anything. The shit is not there. It is gone.

[NNN0LHI]

23. I can't agree Cappur

70% of Americans will say they believe. That is not because they actually believe themselves either. It is because 70% of Americans including a lot of non-Republicans don't care. I will put it bluntly. 70% of Americans have not nor have they ever cared about WMD's, or mass graves, or dead American soldiers, or dead civilian Iraqis, or none of that stuff. 70% of Americans want cheap gasoline at the pump. 70% of Americans really feel this way. I am not in that 70%. Please don't kill the messenger.

Don

[Redneck Socialist]

27. or he will create a terrorist attack

just before the elections to rally people around him.

[maha]

29. T'would backfire.

He's supposed to be keeping people safe from terrorism. Another attack would ruin him for sure.

[Q]

9. What will you have to say if his 'ratings' mysteriously go up...

...right before the 2004 election?

- We'll be mistaken if we count on the 'system' or the media to out Bush* when he has had their unwavering support for over three years.

- I believe we'll see the media's 'criticism' of Bush* practically disappear right before the next election. It will be a 'miracle' that he's suddenly so 'popular' again.

[diplomats]

18. We'll just have to see

I know these people are Machiavellian but I still think we have a chance. Maybe I'm just seeing the glass as half full :)

[gristy]

5. I had lunch today with a good friend

I brought up politics and found out that he has voted Republican all his life. His primary issue is taxes. He just hates to pay taxes. He argued that he just hates it when he sees MNDOT "wasting" money. He gave an example and I argued that he might have been misinterpreting what he was seeing. I gave an different example of when they did a real speedy job of resurfacing a nearby freeway in just a few nights. I argued that dems and repukes alike know how to spend money. And that spending increases under bush have been greater than under clinton (anybody got a link?). And that the U.S. is heading the way of Argentina with the IMF calling the shots. Looks like I need to have a few more discussions with him. He just ignores all the bad things that bush does, apparently.

So I do agree with your post, and this conversation sort of shows what we are up against. Boneheaded single-issue voters, in general. As long as bush follows through on each of these voter's single issue, he gets their vote. Doesn't matter how much he screws up anything else.

[Abe Linkman]

16. Your gentleman friend isn't just a "one issue" voter. He's far worse.

He lacks a basic understanding of how a democracy works, and he doesn't really believe in democracy. There are millions like him. Just like the huge percentage of Americans who don't understand the free enterprise system. Only a tiny percentage of the population knows anything about marketing (as one example of the ignorance I'm talking about), and its proper role in our economy.

[NaMeaHou]

7. In a happily ending movie or on the playground

in the end, the bully gets his just desserts.

Life hasn't changed so much that it won't happen this time, has it?

[sweetheart]

8. they really believe they are god's voice

... sort of like how god told them to fuck every body over and murder as many dark skinned people as they could.

Those sick evil men who are running the american government are perverted lying chicken fuckers.... a bunch of perpetual shit licking losers who can't do anything useful for a living besides fucking people, and as they are fucking soooo many people, they've run out of condems.

I was pondering how such a bunch of evil men can puruse such a course of action, and they genuinely seem to believe that they are faultless servents of god, and that it is everyone else who is evil?

Geesh, it stinks of the inquisition, but hardly a democracy. Those evil shits will die soon enough and they will experience reincarnation in some of the darkest hell worlds in existance... at least knowing the criminal's who've stolen from us all will do time for a million years being flayed in helll.

I wonder what they think as they leave the white house pig fuckery with dirty pig mud all over their genitals... the daily practice for being a bush-criminal... fuck a pig... get down on your knees and smell the muddy fat animal and fuck away so that you can exhibit the republican qualities of democracy. What a bunch of paedophiles... i can't believe they are not in prison yet.

[Cappurr]

11. Yeech...

Man, your screen name sure don't match your post. lol

[sweetheart]

14. Indeed it does

The sweet heart of human rights and democracy is an enemy of a perverted criminal totalitarian dictator... and his school of animal husbandry ;-)

I wonder what sort of half-republican children are born in washington DC to livestock and poultry... likely 10's of 1000's... as abortion is not an animal thing... it seems the GOP might finally be happy that its true next generation is under way.

[Catherine Vincent]

15. Those republicans sure done made you mad.

I don't blame you though.

[Capn Sunshine]

12. Thank GOODNESS

There's more of us than them .
(70,000)+ 560,000 at last count.
Florida
illegally
purged
voters

[whathappened]

13. not ownly that

but he has got all the sheep thinging about the , in god we trust issue , just about all i have talked to are talking about how the dollar says in god we trust , why not in our schools and in are banks and everything that moves and crawls , now i beleave in the lord and follow the book as good as i can , but i'm not a nut case who runs around wanting everybody to think as i do , jr. wants everybody to think as he do'es and this will give him alot of vote in 2004 ,

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

17. Yeah. What's your point?

:shrug:

[leesa]

19. I think we need to put far more pressure on the treasonous media

They need to be reminded daily by many people that they could be imprisoned for this treason. I love to send this message to Oreally and the whores at Faux periodically. They are as guilty as bush is.

[Classical_Liberal]

20. For God Sakes, pay attention

we have three books out calling the Bush or the Adminstration liars, and Ted Kennedy calling him on his bribes. Wisconsin Congressmen calling for him to fire Rumsfeld and Wolfie, not to mention 48% of the public now believe they were mislead into the war. Things are getting better, why not notice it?

[Cappurr]

22. We do notice it...

So does Carl Rove. Haven't you seen the spin coming out of the Repuke talking heads? Trust me, these guys are very, very smart. They are after Clark right now cause they want to run against Dean. And if they keep up the mudslinging and even liberals keep buying it, they will get their wish.

DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE THESE GUYS. They stole a freaking election for Gods sake. They aint gonna walk away with their tails between their legs.

[RobinA]

24. I'll Believe

things are better when I hear Joe Average onthe street talking about what a moron the President is. The books out are "preaching to the choir" books. There's just as many out on the otehr side that preach to the other choir.

Here's a synopsis of what I hear: "Arabs attacked America. Bush whipped the Arabs twice. Bush lowered taxes so less money goes to poor people who keep having children." That's the thinking that will win him the next election. Unless some Democrat comes along and changes the dialogue.

[Classical_Liberal]

25. I am hearing Joe Average talking about what dunderheads this administratio

n is.

[Spazito]

21. In my opinion, Bush has...

20 percent that would vote for him if he were the devil incarnate ( which he is) 20 percent who are moderate republicans who are likely to hold their nose and vote repub regardless, the dems have 20 percent that will vote for whoever the dem candidate is, even if they despise the person, 20 percent that will lean democratic and the 20 percent that are TRUELY independent and really do decide who is elected president. That crucial 20 % are the ones that both repubs and dems are gearing their PR for. I think the 20 % is Bush's nightmare, he has lost them. They will either vote dem or not vote at all, either way, Bush loses.

[Redneck Socialist]

26. OK, 40% will always vote for him...

40% will never vote for him, it is the other 20% that we need to convince. Two things give me hope. First my dad is a life long republican, retired factory worker, and vetern and even he thinks bush is friggin' lunatic. Second the pack of sheep known as our "free" press has finally begun to smell the blood in the water and is begining to act more like a school of pirana. (Sorry for the mixed metaphor.)As bush's numbers continue to fall more and more people and press will begin to pile on.

That being said the one thing that worries me is the six pack test. What is that you ask? I believe that if you look at any election in terms of who you would rather get drunk with it gives you a pretty good indication of who is going to win. Unfortunately at this point I think more people would rather sit back and drink a six pack with georgie than any of the currant dem's.

[Spazito]

30. I don't agree, re the six pack and choice...

the bottom line is, if it hits me in the wallet, you are toast. The economy stinks, the international "respect" has gone south and it is tough to contemplate either, never mind both. No money and no respect, not much left so they don't show up at the polls if they are rabid repubs, they show up in droves if they are dems! Bush has got BIG problems imo.

[maha]

28. We have to be careful, but ...

His approval rating just dipped below 50 percent, and I don't see it going up again to a significant degree. I think the "hard core" who will believe in him whatever he does are probably about 35-40 percent of the population.

[Q]

31. I'm sure the Bushies are hoping Dems think they don't have a chance...

- Low expectations have been George's* best friend his entire life. That...and his friends and family helping him out of one jam after another. He has never accomplished anything in his life...yet now he's 'president' because enough money buys anythng. Now we know it can even buy a government and a free press.

- You can count on 'something' happening FOR George to pull his ass out of the fire once again right before 2004.