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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:02 PM
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Wall Street complains: Costco too nice to employees
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/business/3268811

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...not everyone is happy with Costco's business strategy. Some Wall Street analysts assert that Sinegal is overly generous not only to Costco's customers but to its workers as well.

Costco's average pay, for example, is $17 an hour, 42 percent higher than its fiercest rival, Wal-Mart's Sam's Club. And Costco's health plan makes those at many other retailers look Scroogish. One analyst, Bill Dreher of Deutsche Bank, complained last year that at Costco "it's better to be an employee or a customer than a shareholder."

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Emme Kozloff, an analyst at Sanford C. Bernstein & Co., faulted Sinegal as being too generous to employees, noting that when analysts complained that Costco's workers were paying just 4 percent toward their health costs, he raised that percentage only to 8 percent, when the retail average is 25 percent.

"He has been too benevolent," she said. "He's right that a happy employee is a productive long-term employee, but he could force employees to pick up a little more of the burden."
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:05 PM
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1. Those of us at DU who can do this should BUY COSTCO STOCK.
Edited on Tue Jul-19-05 06:05 PM by blm
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:06 PM
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2. We should Buy Blue in general but
hell yes! Support Costco, shun Walmart.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:16 PM
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16. I shop there every week.
I agree. May as well get some dividends.
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Demonaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:02 PM
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33. I'm single and I shop there, and a lot of portional freezing....
Dumped my Sams Club card the day I got my Blue Report
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:33 PM
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28. Costco should sell stock directly to it's customers. No brokers.
Wouldn't the street just have a cow over that?
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:07 PM
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3. I've been thinking of applying to Costco
I can only work part time right now, but it seems like a very progressive place.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:07 PM
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4. I'm at Cosco almost every week
and at 44 years of age, I've never walked into a Wal-mart. Add this to the reasons why.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:07 PM
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5. I was told by a professor in college that the only reason you have unions
Is that, business is not doing their job. If business was doing their job the workers wouldn't need to organize.
Costsco is opening a store in the next county, just groundbreaking the site and 2000 people showed up for 150 jobs at the booth they set up because of Costco's reputation.
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:19 PM
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18. I agree with that 100% and from experience...
Through high school and college I worked at various factories and shop floors and such. There were companies I worked at that weren't union and when unions tried to get them to join they were met with at least indifference and at worst confrontational anger. The reason was that the company they worked for treated them well. They knew that by unionizing they would be losing more than they gained by setting up a wall between them and that management that they had such a good relationship with.

On the other hand all the places I worked that were unionized definitely needed to be in order for the employees to get a fair shake.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:31 PM
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27. At the same time most places that treat their workers well are
far and few between, I've been in unions and never ever regreted it and have helped labor organize by speaking as a voice, which is democracy in the work place.

Democracy in the work place is where the pay off can be for the organization and individual.

The Payoff of Participation

Anyone who has been fortunate enough to work for a democratic organization or leader has probably experienced some of the benefits:

Higher motivation
Higher self-esteem and self-confidence
More initiative
More creativity
More self-discipline
More accountability
Higher productivity
More internal motivation to reach your full potential
Stronger feeling of fate control

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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:08 PM
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6. In other words: Good employers make bad employers look bad.
The top salary is much closer to the median salary than what I'll bet you'd find in most comperable companies.

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OrlandoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:08 PM
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7. Costco is just plain better than Sam's Club.
Better products, better quality, better employees, better selection, better prices.

Screw Wal-Mart. People get exactly what they deserve when they shop there.
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:09 PM
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8. Beautiful, Blue Costco!
Let's flaunt their difference to as wide an audience as possible.
Recommended! :thumbsup:
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:12 PM
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9. Gotta love this--it's just good business!
Despite Costco's impressive record, Sinegal's salary is just $350,000, although he also received a $200,000 bonus last year. That puts him at less than 10 percent of many other chief executives, though Costco ranks 29th in revenue among American companies.


Stock prices up and his salary is modest; contrast that with United Airlines CEO Glenn Tilton; running UAL into the ground and making a FORTUNE.

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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:12 PM
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10. Bless him!
What a great CEO!

Hey, here in Temecula/Murrieta, the parking lot of the local Sam's Club looks very empty compared to CostCo.

And it's a Rethuglican district!

I'm proud to both own Costco stock and to regularly shop there!
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:13 PM
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11. Costco stock UP, WalMart stock DOWN, and the analyst's conclusion
is that Costco should be more like WalMart :eyes:

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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:15 PM
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14. The Wall Street Journal
can cry me a frickin' river... bozos.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:14 PM
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12. This might have some merit...
... were Costco losing money. In fact, they are profitable. They just aren't as profitable as Wall Street would like. When they start holding up WalMart Corp. as the industry standard, it's nothing more than greed. These idiots think that not showing 20% quarter-by-quarter increases in profits is a sign of failure.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:25 PM
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23. It's the argument of "owners" ahead of "workers" ...
Edited on Tue Jul-19-05 06:26 PM by TahitiNut
This is the corruption that infests our perverted 'capitalist' system -- that it's OK to fuck over the people who create the wealth in order to line the pockets of the "owners" who live off the labor of others.

The constant myopic drumbeat of impoverishing the working class so the indolent wealthy can buy a fancier gas-guzzling foreign car is driving this nation below banana republic conditions.

It's plantation economics ... the basis of colonialism itself. It's no accident that 17th century thinking predominates in government today.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:14 PM
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13. Costco too benevolent or the others too EVIL?
God, we live in such a sick twisted fuck of a "society"...
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Ishoutandscream2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:25 PM
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39. Ain't that the truth
I could not get over this article. It was so Mr. Potterish from "It's a Wonderful Life." I can just see George Bailey replying, "Doesn't it make them good citizens, good customers..."

Tell me again, what century do we live in?
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Beware the Beast Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:15 PM
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15. Even better reason to buy, buy, buy!!!!
I love Costco.
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:18 PM
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17. Unreal...another article last year in the WSJ had the same theme.
Are the media after Costco too?

From March 2004 WSJ...
But Costco's kind-hearted philosophy toward its 100,000 cashiers, shelf-stockers and other workers is drawing criticism from Wall Street. Some analysts and investors contend that the Issaquah, Wash., warehouse-club operator actually is too good to employees, with Costco shareholders suffering as a result.

"From the perspective of investors, Costco's benefits are overly generous," says Bill Dreher, retailing analyst with Deutsche Bank Securities Inc. "Public companies need to care for shareholders first. Costco runs its business like it is a private company."

http://online.wsj.com/article_email/0,,SB108025917854365904-INjeoNplaV3oJ2pan2IbauIm4,00.html
(subscription required)
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Beware the Beast Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:23 PM
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I really see this as an attempt to shake investor confidence
On the part of the WSJ and its backers. More people should be tipped off to Costco's good ethics. This can only help them in the long run.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:07 PM
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35. Exactly. nt
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:23 PM
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21. Funny how he says investors aren't happy - Costco stock did well, and
the investors always have the option to exert some control if they're that unhappy.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:06 PM
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34. Think of it this way--they are turning the industry inside out. I spent
many years in retail, and as is well known, it's a pink collar ghetto for the most part.

In comes an interloper who has premium brands, low prices, good service, and good relations with employees--and is continuing to INCREASE its profit margin.

This makes the rest of 'em look completely incompetent. They can't have that. I remember when Southwest Airlines was an upstart (another company with excellent employee relations, I have fa,ily/friends who are very loyal). they pretty much said the same thing in much milder terms.

Now look at who in the airline industry is making a consistent profit, and who is losing money--fast.

Costco and Southwest are good businesses that are bad, bad, bad for business in general.
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:22 PM
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19. Costco's CEO: Current corporate pay disparity "is wrong."
"I've been very well rewarded," said Sinegal, 69, who is worth more than $150 million thanks to his Costco stock holdings. "I just think that if you're going to try to run an organization that's very cost-conscious, then you can't have those disparities. Having an individual who is making 100 or 200 or 300 times more than the average person working on the floor is wrong."
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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:26 PM
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24. Oh my Gods
A capitalist who gets it.
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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:23 PM
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20. Costco has just won a new customer
Splendid. Bravo. A value system not based on pure corporate greed in operation in business. Yes. I will spend my money there.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:27 PM
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26. Costco is a great example of how customers and employees..
should be appreciated. Most Corps have the "Piss on them tude." Just like the RW has about most Amerikans that aren't wealthy.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:25 PM
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22. That's right people!
No company wants happy customers or employees unless they want less income!
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:26 PM
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25. Less for the people who do the work
more for the crooks
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:37 PM
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29. Let them know you appreciate their efforts:
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:46 PM
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30. I have not set foot in a stinking Wal-Mart in six years, after the good
things i have been hearing about Costco lately I will be seeking one out
and start taking my business there.
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Pawel K Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:57 PM
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31. Here in ABQ Sam's Club is openning right next to Costco
I hope Sam's Club is ran out of there quick.
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hippiegranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:58 PM
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32. Costco rocks
and they're scaring the pants off the old boy network. HA ha.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:08 PM
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36. I LOVE Costco!! I haven't set foot in a Walfart in years! ha! n/t
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:08 PM
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37. Costco is a HAPPY place....
You walk in and it feels nice. Maybe it's because the employees want to work there. They're also very helpful. I love going to that place.

Constrast that to a store like Wal Mart where the employees throw daggers at you for asking a question.

I also buy my gasoline at Costco. I figure if I'm going to give big oil my money, Costco might as well skim some off the top so they can use it for progressive causes rather than oppressive wars.
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1984ever Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:18 PM
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38. I think I might have to go get my Costco card this weekend.
n/t
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bear425 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:35 PM
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40. I used to work for Costco, years ago. It's a great company
and I'm thinking of going back. The pay rate is extremely fair and the benefits, too. Very little attrition due to employee happiness. If you have a location near you, get a card. It's well worth it for the savings.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:37 PM
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41. I'd like to heave a big ol' FUCK YOU to some Wall Street analysts
Just gratuitously, you see. They deserve that much.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 09:49 PM
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42. How dare anyone...
realize the cost of living for the average working person! The pinstripes say DAAAAAMN YOU COSCO!!!!

:sarcasm:
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 09:50 PM
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43. which is why I shop there
:hi:
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Tux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 12:17 AM
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44. Mmmmm
Seems like a winner to me. Think they would mine hiring a computer/network technician with a bachelor's in psychology?
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