Is clark vice presidential or presidential material?

[sweetheart]

I keep wondering if he's not in the ring merely because no other candidate can put up the security credentials.... and that indeed, in an election that * will push towards security, may be the factor... but leaving that all aside for a moment.

Are we not running to Mr. Clark because we need a big baddie to fight in the ring with the bullies?.... is it really so degenerate a race that we'll run with anyone who can out "military" the neocon imperialists?

I have great respect for Mr. Clark in his core competence of taking senior-level orders and guidances... and turning those in to successful policies through his dictatorship-like military command... as indeed military command is rather single pointed, and not very democratic.

Then what about this qualifies this person to drive forward a healing coalition of true democrats.??? If we were then to use Mr. Clark in his core competency, it might be as a Veep for a more experienced and balanced executive candidate....

My favorite kucinich/clark.... kerry/clark.... and if there is no alternative but to lose otherwise... then ok, clark/<other veep>... but that is a last resort. I'll vote whomever the democratic contender is in the runoff to help push the criminals out of office... Would whomever that is be someone with experience leading people's issues through a democracy that it serve those people... or have we degenerated to the point where military comptetence is all that matters to america.... how sad indeed.

[caledesi]

1. My dream ticket! Dean/Clark

[laruemtt]

2. My dream ticket! Clark/Dean

:toast: clark/anybody but liarman would do me fine

[HardWiredDemocrat]

5. I concur: Clark/Dean but ...

Dean/Clark is OK too!
:toast:

[Bombtrack]

7. Clark/Dean doesn't make as much sense as other tickets

Clark/Edwards would be better for a number of reasons.

Most people, including almost half of democrats still think the war in iraq was the right decision. Having Edwards as his veep would help keep alot of non-anti-war dems and independants from voting Bush or not voting.

the vast majority of Dean/anti-war voters would vote for Clark, and none would vote for Bush.

Dean brings no swing-states or regions into better play. Edwards helps in NC, TN, SC, and GA(all states inwhich he's lived) as well as VA, WV, LA, and perhaps most importantly Florida.

[WheresWaldo]

11. almost 70% of dems in congress

voted against iraq war res.

[Bombtrack]

23. democrat VOTERS

I saw one recent poll of registered dems that was about 60/40, wasn't/was right decision to remove Saddam

and one of registered dems and strongly dem leaning indy's that was about 50/50

both were within the last 6 weeks

[MoonRiver]

3. Clark will win the nomination, hands down. He's ahead after a week

and a half, if that. I don't know who his vp will be, but I doubt any of the other candidates. We will be surprised, I surmise.
:kick:

[WesWing2004]

4. if you had seen him in NH town meeting

this evening, perhaps you would understand a little more about this incredible man. I am blown away by his integrity and genuine warmth and caring he showed the townspeople. I am sure they are too! We have a whole bunch of converts coming our way.

FWIW, it's being rebroadcast on C-SPAN at 1am again. Clark is most certainly presidential material. He got the goods. His debate appearance last eve. was filler compared to this small group format with the local folks in Henniker.

[Justice]

12. The Town Meeting Was Extraordinary

All I can say to those of you that claim Wes Clark is not good for the democratic party is this -- thank goodness for Wes Clark.

The man is inspiring, he is hopeful, he is optimistic and proud of America. You feel like you are listening to JFK again.

Don't get me wrong - I thought the 10 candidates at the debate were terrific. Al Sharpton's performance makes me proud to be a democrat. What a cabinet - what an administration these people can be I thought.

But at the end of the day, I gotta say, Wes Clark is the guy for today, for 2004. I am going to see him in person tomorrow in NH.

[Bread and Circus]

16. Tell him that we are behind him....

and will be with him 100% every step of the way!

[Bombtrack]

6. He's presidential material

Neither of your ticket ideas would ever occur

Kucinich would never come close to winning a state primary, much less the nomination of the party

and Clark would never chose Kerry, nor would Kerry chose Clark to serve as veep.

1 military man does not need another as his veep. You need biographical balance more than geographical or ideological balance.

saying someone is "running for veep" is a RW talking point for someone the GOP does not want to face in a general election because of the strength of that candidates attributes.

They do and have wanted to face Edwards, Clark, and Graham least, and all of them have been pegged as running for veep because it discourages support from potential primary voters.

[sweetheart]

8. so we're back to lesser evils

By all indications, Mr. Clark is an eisenhower republican and it is interesting that those hot on his presidency in this thread have fewer post counts... as if a new wave of DU members perhaps less left-hardened... perhaps more moderate, that these folks, like yourself, believe he's a winner.

My dog would be a dramatically better president than bush, surely clark can do it just as well, as could you or I. Is that it then, we just sell down all the ideals of the primary for "whatever wins?"

Nothing turns me off faster... i'll vote kucinich in the primary and against bush strategically in the final... it looks like i am voting for nobody... just against someone. I hope to see more of clark that i feel more comfortable with him... perhaps he's the right chemistry for no reasons at all... i can accept that.

... but does anyone with a post count over 1000 buy that?

[MoonRiver]

13. If you ask a question, be prepared to get an answer you may not like

I've been an activist since Selection 2000, when I became desperate to find outlets for my fury against *.

Regarding Dem candidates for '04, I favored first Kerry and then Dean, but I believe Clark is the best candidate BY FAR. I have felt that way since I heard the first faint hint he might run. Actually, I had given up on him, but after he announced his candidacy it was, IMHO, fait accompli that he will win the nomination. He's just too perfect a presidential candidate not to.

[HardWiredDemocrat]

17. <1000 here

And what is that supposed to mean?
My opinion has less value because I haven't posted?
If Kucinich gets the nomination we'll lose all 50 states.
This is the same stuff they threw at Clinton in '92.
DLC, etc. etc.

-- Fire-Proof pants activated --

[KittyWampus]

21. I Have Over 1000 But Haven't Checked

to see how much over 1000....

By all indications Clark is fairly LIBERAL/PROGESSIVE

Unless he is lying and a VERY good actor.

You see, I have been reading what he has written and listening to what he says.

I haven't decided on a candidate yet but am certainly impressed with Clark and can see why so many people urged him to join the race.

[Rowdyboy]

30. Well I've got comfortably over 3000 posts and it doesn't mean shit

My opinion counts no more than anyone else's. But I do believe that Wes Clark is the right man for the job of president and back him 100%...

Voting Democratic since 1972...Steve

[maxanne]

9. neither one, in my opinion

I don't want a representative of the military industrial complex in the White House, thank you very much. I don't trust Clark as far as I could throw him. I suspect more will be revealed about the general, and it won't be especially likeable.

[bearfan454]

10. You aint kidding maxanne !

He voted for and supported Nixon and Reagan. This guy is a KKKarl Rove plant.

[Bread and Circus]

18. Dude, Walter Payton is my personal hero....

and Wesley Clark is no Rove plant.

Wesley Clark is Dr. Evil Rove's Austin Powers!

Research the man, you will find that he is every
bit the "real deal" as was Sweetness.

My Dream Ticket Wesley Clark/Walter Payton!
But Payton's gone, so I will go for whomever Clark
chooses.

I just wanna help another Bear fan see the light!

Watch Clark on Cspan 1am tonight -- replay of town hall
meeting. It will open your eyes.

[Maine-i-acs]

14. If Clark was "dirty"...

then I can't see how his handlers would have shoveled him into the race in the first place. These days anyone with anything resembling a skeleton in his closet is going to look like a total fool running for office (ref. Ahnuld Schvartzen-necker).

Remember ... "Anyone But Bush 2004". If Clark gets nominated, he gets my vote in '04.

[newyawker99]

32. Hi Maine-i-acs!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Maine-i-acs]

33. Thanks NY99...

I've only just begun but thanks. I'll keep this up until Ash_croft taps me on the shoulder and throws me into a black van.

[JVS]

19. Right on!

[Pastiche423]

20. Ayup!

No trust here either.

[Democrats unite]

15. My dream

Clinton/Clinton! I wonder what Freud would say?

[RobinA]

22. Anybody/Clark

makes no sense to me. The guy's a general for cripes sake. That's way uo there on the alpha male list. Certainly higher than some governor or Senator. I can't begin to see him playing second fiddle to Dean or anybody else now in the running.

[JasonBerry]

24. No More "UNITING" with Wolf in Sheep's Clothing!

Ask General Cicneros, who expected to be named head of the Southern Command, and found out Wesley Clark was playing politics to get the job for himself; ask him about the integrity of Wes Clark! He confronted Clark at the time and was told, "This is your nomination. I don't want it and am not seeking it." Only to accept the position a couple of weeks later. (Latest TIME magazine has a little on this story). General Cicneros has said he knew at the time Clark was being dishonest with him. "He did it so brazenly," he told the departing head of Southern Command.

Candidate-bashing? NO! This is called a wake-up call! Democrats - don't let our party be HIJACKED by this man who has proven himself to be DISHONEST and VOID of the kind of integrity we need after the disaster who calls himself "president" today. We must replace Bush with not just anybody, but a man or woman of integrity. Wesley Clark, the impostor in the primaries must be STOPPED and sent home to Little Rock with the message that the Democratic Party CANNOT be purchased with pretty hair, medals and a smile.

[KittyWampus]

25. You Need A Dose Of Reality

Clark SUPPOSEDLY said "This is your nomination. I don't want it and am not seeking it."

Then YOU OR ARTICLE say "Only to accept the position a couple of weeks later."

Doesn't mean Clark actively CAMPAIGNED the position... means it was offered to him and he accepted. Possibly with some back channel communications before he actually got the position.

That is how nominations work.

Honestly, I think some posters here on DU are completely ignorant when it comes to politics.

AND THE MILITARY HAS ITS OWM BRAND OF POLITICS. You don't get to the position of GENERAL by merit of your good looks.

[JasonBerry]

27. A Definition

Clark ADMITTED later to campaigning for the job!!! He just forgot to be honest with the man who SHOULD have received the promotion. And, yes, I think I DO know a bit about politics.

I need a dose of reality? Here's a definition from Webster's to ponder:

Main Entry: gull·ible
Variant(s): also gull·able /'g&-l&-b&l/
Function: adjective
Date: 1818
: easily duped or cheated
- gull·ibil·i·ty /"g&-l&-'bi-l&-tE/ noun
- gull·ibly /'g&-l&-blE/ adverb

[gate of the sun]

26. general material

is my guess.

[tokenlib]

28. presidential

Okay, his resume kicks ass. But watching him, he also has charisma.
He really could be the GOP's worse nightmare.

[Kahuna]

29. Yes! We need a kick ass candidate to take on the bushies!

What makes you think we don't? Have you been asleep for the past three years? The bushistas play for keeps. Clark knows that. He really knows these people as you all know by now. He knows their strengths and weaknesses. I believe that he can take them on.

[Rowdyboy]

31. Presidential, definitely...

however, should the voters think otherwise, he should have a lock on vp.