Get to LBN! CIA wants the WH investigated by DoJ!!!

[Rose Siding]

We've been waiting for this one. This is big.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=134589#134878

[Booberdawg]

1. It is big but I think Asscroft will sweep it under the rug

[PaDUer]

5. I wouldn't be surprised..

don't forget we're dealing w/ the teflon kid!! They should take the entire mob down w/ them!!

[Rose Siding]

7. It already had to get past Tenet

In order for that to have happened, it would have some serious juice. There are many lifer professionals at Justice. This may really be something.

[neuvocat]

2. A more direct link

http://www.msnbc.com/news/937524.asp?0cv=CB10

[KoKo]

3. Read what David Corn/"Nation" says will happen if this is "Leaked" !

Read what David Corn said in the "Nation" would happen if investigation


is leaked about this....Read the whole article, if you have time because he LAYS OUT the WHOLE proceedure for what
could happen with this investigation.......and in this snip he says......in the Fall when Congress comes back look to see
what happens.........looks like he was on target......and looks like this could go somewhere!

Here's link to the full article:http://www.thenation.com/capitalgames/index.mhtml?bid=3&pid=888

The leak about Wilson's wife was an ugly act. Wilson is convinced it was arranged by
the White House to intimidate others who might consider disclosing information
troubling for the administration. If Bush officials did purposefully destroy the cover
of a government employee combating WMD proliferation in order to punish Wilson,
certainly an accounting is deserved and punishment warranted. But is Tenet in any
position to sic the FBI on the White House, upon which he depends for his budget
and his own job? Can FBI officials who answer to Ashcroft be sure their careers will
not be impaired should they vigorously investigate Bush officials? Perils abound for
the spooks and law enforcement officers who chase this case. After all, the suspects
are people who went after a man's family.

The public may not learn--officially--whether the CIA requests an investigation. The
CIA has good reason to keep its decision under wraps. If the CIA or the Justice
Department were to announce that the Agency had asked for an investigation, it
would be public confirmation that Wilson's wife was (and may still be) a CIA officer.
Members of Congress and officials at the CIA and the FBI, though, will be in a
position to know if an inquiry goes forward. And news of an investigation--or the
lack thereof--will likely slip out. In the meantime, the few Senate and House
members who have expressed outrage over the Wilson leak ought to start
considering the next step. The only way to assure that there is an honest
investigation devoid of bureaucratic intrigues could well be to turn to a special
counsel and free Tenet and Ashcroft from deciding whether the Bush White House
ought to be probed for a dirty deed that might have threatened national security.

.........only the donkey knows.......

[Rose Siding]

4. The CIA has the goods.

Can you imagine them doing this if it wasn't a slam dunk?

And how cool is it that it's leaked through Andrea Mitchell Greenspan? Rove will *not* have a good weekend! :bounce:

[Old and In the Way]

9. The money shot-

The only way to assure that there is an honest investigation devoid of bureaucratic intrigues could well be to turn to a special
counsel and free Tenet and Ashcroft from deciding whether the Bush White House ought to be probed for a dirty deed that might have threatened national security.

[KoKo]

12. We need an Amercian equivalent of GB's "Hutton Inquiry." Problem is ....

I can't think of an honest person left who could head such a committee......they all are hacks....Look at Tom Kean heading the 9/11 Investigation with his ties to Oil interests and wires into the Repug machine.

I scratch my head...trying to think......and that's sad....there isn't anyone....who could be trusted to do a proper inquiry.

[Old and In the Way]

18. George Mitchell would be perfect.

Former Prosecuter, State of Maine AG, Senator, Senate Majority Leader.

He backed out of the 9/11 commission because he knew it was a sham...I suspect that he'd have no problem tackling this issue...he'd have the respect, competence, and integrity to do it right.

[KoKo]

20. He's got dark ties.......he's not what we thought.....that's the problem.

I don't have time to do the Google Search to dig up Mitchell's dealings with things we don't want to know about.....and that's the problem..... The only one that finally came into my mind...is Samuel Dash the former Watergate Prosecutor......but you can imaging the Outcry about HIM! LOL's ..... So....in the end....it would probably be someone like George Mitchell.....

[Old and In the Way]

24. I know George....I trust him implicitly.

He is a good man and I'd trust him to do the right thing for this country.Yes, he has a law firm in DC and he's a lobbyist with working ties to "Republicans", but I'm not sure if that's a crime, yet.

Really, he's someone I am proud to say served the State and his country with highest distiction and integrity.

[LittleApple81]

6. How can we get rid of Asscroft? n/t

[SoCalDem]

8. The problem here is....

That under "normal" conditions, there would be a blend of political affiliations scattered throughout government, so that when someone "messed up big time", a normal investigation would ensue, without the overtly political "edge" to it..

But, asking the DoJ to "investigate" the executive branch in times like these, is like asking you to dig up dirt on your Mom, so we can send her to jail.. Are you realllllly gonna work that hard??

They will do as always, which is actually worse, and "investigate" around the edges, so they can say the "looked into it, and found no wrongdoing"..

This will preclude a later investigation.. (remember..'we counted the ballots ONCE...we counted the ballots TWICE...yadayadayada')...

I cannot stress this enough.. what we need MORE than the DoJ or a special prosecutor, is just the PRESS, researching and writing and reporting.. THAT'S what gets the information into the mainstream..to the voters..


As happy as the idea makes me, I know that nothing will come of it, and even if it did, Cheney would just "develop some health issues" and slink back to Wyoming..

Perle was as dirty as they come, and he just quietly stepped back.. so did Poindexter.. They needed investigation and exposure, but they just crawled back under the kitchen sink cabinet (like the roaches they are) and will emerge after the "heat" dies down..

[Rose Siding]

10. Wilson sort of addressed your first point

"a blend of political affiliations scattered throughout government"

At the forum where I heard him, he repeatedly made the point that he has repub friends who are just sort of blown away by the Bush admin. The solid front that *we* see isn't what it appears to be.

Wilson is a down to earth, affable type and I don't doubt he's made friends cross parties. What he said rang true- and since he was right about this investigation, he has even more credibility, in my eyes. So far, this is playing out just as he said it would.

[KoKo]

11. What worries me the most is that Mitchell and NBC leaked this.....why were

they the only ones who had the scoop. I don't trust her (look at who she's married to.....she's part of the Beltway and International Crowd)...and I don't trust GE/NBC.....to have the nation's best interest at heart.

I think it was leaked so that they could spend the weekends covering their butts......They were warned that other news agencies were going to blow it......so GE/NBC got ahead of it.....to start the spin......

Oh......for the days when leaks really did do some good and cause outrage........but those days are gone.

I hope all the optimistic DU'ers are correct......and this ties itself back into Cheney/Bush Iraq lies.....but I think it will be whitewashed and spun to death.

David Corn's article about it all....that I linked on a reply here....is excellent. And not to long a read. It lays out what can happen in the investigation "tree." What protocols are to be followed. And says that if the Press leaks it ....that means that congress is taking it seriously.......but.....where does that go....and once the Wingers start their fax machines up......it may go nowhere. Mitchell let "the cat out of the bag" so that over the weekend the huddles begin.

:-(

[Rose Siding]

15. It doesn't tie into the Niger story

except that that would be what motivated the WH to burn an agent- for the purpose of intimidating others who might step out of line as Plame's husband, Wilson did. Not only did they go after him but the method they used is his wife.

Divulging the identity of an undercover agent- which Wilson has been unable to confirm that she is, by law- is a felony worth 10 years. Wilson has implied the leak leads to Rove.

It doesn't run back to Iraq in any material way. It is a stand alone crime- politically motivated.

[KoKo]

19. You are correct/stand alone crime....BUT.....it calls more attention to

the hoked up Niger Yellow Cake sale....and there's no way in hell the Bushies want any more attention coming out about that. I compare it to "Hutton Inquiry," because more came out about Blair and his cronies deceit about "dodgy dossier" from that report that caused resignations and hit Blair's popularity...than one would have thought would have thought .......all because David Kelly's "cover" was blown and he committed suicide.

There's enough similarities of inference that they don't want this investigated in any way. Even though Wilson has the law on his side.... When has that ever stopped the Bushies from covering up their dirty deeds....And, they don't want Bush imploding as fast as Blair is doing.

[Nevernose]

17. About the press:

I suspect that the CIA leaked gave this story to the rpess a little early precisely BECAUSE they want it followed. Ashcroft can't sweep it under the rug if people are watching.

The CIA has been pulling some heinous shit for 50 years now, and through it all they've done one thing consistently: look after their own. I don't think loyalty to the BFEE or Ashcroft's obfuscation can withstand the full and terrible might of an outraged, betrayed CIA.

[AntiCoup2K4]

13. Please, this is a joke

CIA = Bush Criminal Empire. That's the way it's been from day one. And Asscrotch certainly wouldn't be the one to investigate them even if it were possible.

We need the liberal counterpart to Ken Starr. Only somebody that won't settle for a blowjob, when (in this case) there are more than enough real crimes taking place.

[LunaC]

21. Correction: OSP = Bush Criminal Empire

The CIA was used as a patsy and their credibility was tarnished by the WH. This is the CIA's pay-back.

Karma, karma, karma......

[sandnsea]

22. CIA = CFR

CFR used to be the Bush Criminal Empire until they moved to PNAC. The Administration is split between PNAC and CFR people. State & the CIA on one side, DoD, DoJ, WH on the other. I don't know where the FBI comes down. At least that's my take on it ever since the CIA started leaking like a seive a few months ago, for whatever it's worth which ain't much. We shall see!

[7th_Sephiroth]

14. If this doesent take cheney down

The halliburton thing might.

[opihimoimoi]

16. The boys in the White House Basement must be ordering 4 more skip loads

OF prozac for the weekend. Damn, I wish I was a fly

[Lindsay]

23. God bless Joe Wilson.

I think it's starting to get through to the actual conservative republicans that the gang in the WH is seriously, dangerously nuts.

I hope.

[TacticalPeek]

25. The perps are doomed.

If its KKKarl, he's a future felon.

:kick:

[Rose Siding]

26. Now that's a happy Sat. thought, so

:kick: