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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 01:48 AM
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nutty! GOP knocking Wes Clark for being too Republican??
The world is turned upside down.

The GOP is trying to knock Wes Clark out of the race early by painting him too supportive of Republicans!

Their desperation is more and more twisted.
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Girlfriday Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 01:50 AM
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1. Oh, then you must see the Dem-O-Meter in the other thread!
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 01:50 AM
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2. Welcome to Wonderland, Alice.
;)
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 01:56 AM
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3. "Curiouser and curiouser"
They are literally terrified...This man is their worst nightmare!
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neebob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 01:56 AM
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4. Not only that
Today on Fox or MSNBC or CNN - can't remember which - I saw some talking head saying General Clark was driven out of the military for reasons of character. That's GOP propaganda if I ever heard it.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 01:57 AM
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5. it's the best they can do
hysterical
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 01:58 AM
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6. Seems To Me He Is Very Republican
This man scares me terribly!

See the following from an earlier DU post:

Acxiom Role Part of Surveillance Debate

Retired Gen. Wesley K. Clark helped an Arkansas information company win a contract to assist development of an airline passenger screening system, one of the largest surveillance programs ever devised by the government.

Starting just after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, Clark sought out dozens of government and industry officials on behalf of Acxiom Corp., a data powerhouse that maintains names, addresses and a wide array of personal details about nearly every adult in the United States and their households, according to interviews and documents.

Clark, a Democrat who declared himself a presidential candidate 10 days ago, joined Acxiom's board of directors in December 2001. He earned $300,000 from Acxiom last year and was set to receive $150,000, plus potential commissions, this year, according to financial disclosure records. He owns several thousand shares of Acxiom stock worth more than $67,000.

Clark's consulting role at Acxiom puts him near the center of a national debate over expanded government authority to use personal data and surveillance technology to fight the war on terrorism and protect homeland security.
snip>

As a consultant, he helped the company win a government contract worth an undisclosed amount to provide data and consulting services to the CAPPS II program.

more...........................

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7380-2003Sep26.html
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 02:02 AM
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 02:05 AM
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8. I must retaliate in a positive maner
For every bashing Clark thread I will put 1.00 in my desk top coffee cup. At the end of the week I'll send it to General Clark's campaign.

Kah khing!! There I feel much better now.

"Get ready, we're moving out"
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Girlfriday Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 02:08 AM
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10. I've been bushed...
...so I can't use your therapy, but I feel good knowing Clark will have a hefty donation by the end of the week. Thanks Madmax, I feel better already! :)
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 02:21 AM
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18. Anytime Girlfriday
A :toast: to Wes Clark!
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pa28 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 02:21 AM
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19. Way to go Madmax
I'll join you. But remember, ceiling is $2000.00 during the primaries.
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Kat 333 Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 02:35 AM
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21. hmmm ...
"Retaliate" ...
for what ? Posting a credible link to an article that someone has a concern about ? Is there something I'm missing here ?
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 02:06 AM
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9. You save all your indignation for Cheney and bush
That's Halliburton with two l's.
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StephNW4Clark Donating Member (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 02:09 AM
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11. The same article says...
"Government and industry officials who have attended meetings with Clark described him as thoughtful and persuasive. Jones, the Acxiom official, said Clark repeatedly stressed the need to "properly balance legitimate privacy interests and the need for security." Jones said that was a core theme of Acxiom's effort to win government contracts."
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 02:11 AM
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12. september 11 2003...
.....Rolling Stone interviews Wes Clark:

RS: The president is urging Congress to grant him wider powers to wage war on terrorism at home.

WC: Come on, give us a break. The Patriot Act, all 1,200 pages of it, was passed without any serious congressional discussion. There was no public accountability, and now he wants more? What does he think this country is? We shouldn't do anything with the Patriot Act until it's unwrapped. I'd like to see what violations of privacy it entails, and whether those violations are in any way justified by their preventing terrorism in this country. And we need to do it now before we take another step forward and pay for that.

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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 02:12 AM
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13. does that sound like a guy...
.....who supports Ashcroft's nutty weirdo goo-gaws?
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 02:16 AM
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15. Which desperation?
What is unfortunate is that they have this on film and I just watched the film. It turned my stomach to see him sitting there praising Reagan, Bush Sr, and Bush Jr with such passion! The film is devastating.

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<snip>

You see, in the Cold War we were defensive. We were trying to protect our country from communism. Well guess what, it's over. Communism lost. Now we've got to go out there and finish the job and help people live the way they want to live. We've got to let them be all they can be. They want what we have. We've got some challenges ahead in that kind of strategy. We're going to be active, we're going to be forward engaged. But if you look around the world, there's a lot of work to be done. And I'm very glad we've got the great team in office: men like Colin Powell, Don Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Condolzeezza Rice, Paul O'Neill--people I know very well--our president, George W. Bush. We need them there, because we've got some tough challenges ahead in Europe.


http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110004065

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StephNW4Clark Donating Member (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 02:20 AM
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17. OK
Just so you know, he gave the exact same speech to Democrats a few weeks later.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 02:41 AM
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23. And if so, that would excuse his passion for those neo-cons?
Or did he praise Clinton and Carter in that speech? You aren't excusing this tripe are you?

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We couldn't quite believe it. I mean Desert Storm was wonderful; we whipped Saddam Hussein and all that sort of thing. But the Cold War was over, the Berlin Wall was down. And President George Bush had the courage and the vision to push our European allies to take the risk to tell the Russians to leave, and to set up the conditions so all of Germany and later many nations of Eastern Europe could become part of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, part of the West with us. And we will always be grateful to President George Bush for that tremendous leadership and statesmanship.

<snip>

But it's going to take American leadership. And I'm delighted to see Gen. Colin Powell is working that problem actively. We've had the Colombian president up here, and I was so pleased that President Bush called for a North American Free Trade Agreement, because I think the ultimate answer in South America is to bring prosperity, bring American know-how down there, and let's build one great team in the Americas.

<snip>

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110004065

It's kind of strange don't you think especially if he gave this same speech to the Demcocrats, that Bill Clinton, on the other hand, is only mentioned once and only as an irrelevant side-note?


I took a detour to South America for a year and learned about some of the things that Asa Hutchinson's going to have to learn the hard way about the drug problem. And then I was tapped to go back--as one senator explained it to me, she said: "You don't want to go over there and fight Bill Clinton's war in the Balkans, do you?" And I said, "Well, Senator, the honest truth is that when you're a soldier, you march to the sound of the guns. That's your duty, and that's--they tell me to do it, that's what I'm going to do."

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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 06:35 AM
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27. He praised Reagan, Bush SR and Bush Jr. at a DEM function also?
That must have went over like a fart in church, unless it was a DLC gathering.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 02:18 AM
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16. What's so nutty about it?
He is a repug.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 02:32 AM
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20. if that was true
why would that bother THEM ???
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 02:39 AM
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22. Of course he's a rethug
He's pro-choice
Pro civil unions
anti-war
pro medical marijuana
anti-patriot act

Sounds pretty close to Gingrich to me...God you guys are sad...Wandering from Clartk thread to Clark thread, planting your poison. I would never do that to ANY candidate because I like Democrats in general and our candidates in particular.

Bet you can't say the same thing honestly
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andym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 02:47 AM
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24. Irony is that he is very progressive
The irony is that the positions that he elucidated in the
townhall meeting and in the village voice article are very
progressive. In fact, it seems that his thinking is
informed by two principles:
1) determining what is best for the public interest, with a strong sense of being fair to everybody, and
2) a very practical sense of trying to find some solution that will work
with more than a touch of the American "can do" attitude.

Let's see where this takes him policy wise.

Andy
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 03:28 AM
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25. You believe he is progressive
because he said so? What history does he have that shows he is progressive? His military career history?
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 06:32 AM
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26. Hi andym!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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RichM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 08:00 AM
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28. Dem loyalists get indignant at the claim that both parties are the same -
Yet the Clark faction has no problem at all supporting a guy that voted for Reagan & Nixon, gives speeches at Republican fundraisers, & sings the praises of all the gang over at PNAC!! LOL!! :puke:
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 10:16 AM
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29. CNN used 2001 footage of Clark praising the cabal
and juxtaposed it with his more recent anti-Bush comments to illustrate that he's flip-flopped. Very media whorish, and something they wouldn't do to a repuke under similar circumstances.

That said, I can't quite get behind a guy who's such a recent convert. I'll stick with Dean.
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