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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 10:57 AM
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imposing Codex Regulations on the US. . . ?
Edited on Thu Jul-21-05 11:02 AM by stellanoir
This thread from yesterday got me all upset.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4147495

I know that a few months ago there was a rumor about it that was debunked at the time. The tone of the doctor's letter and the link to CAFTA was really troubling though.

So I called the offices of all of my Congressmen and Senators and no one could verify or deny it that the enforcement of Codex regulations are included in the CAFTA legislation. They simply were unfamiliar with it. One guy looked over the bill but not the amendments. I couldn't find anything but if Codex regulations are made law in this country the effects would be devastating for those who are uninsured and manage to sustain good health through nutritional supplementation.

Interestingly enough, all of those with whom I spoke did not hesitate for a second to acknowledge that the pharmaceutical corporations have far too much power already.

The vote in the House on CAFTA is scheduled for July 27th .
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 11:01 AM
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1. Yeah, wish I knew if it is scare or more...
Have a feeling there is some truth but ....not something I want to take a chance with.

From what I gather CAFTA puts the US under codex.....where's Eloriel? She's bee keeping up on this...also I think there is a thread in the MR....

here it is...http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=111&topic_id=37976&mesg_id=37976

need to read it again......

:hi:Stella
DR
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 11:04 AM
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2. Here's one for the books
I'm going to give you a link to none other than FreeRepublic, where it seems many people are as upset as you are. Some good information:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1441296/posts
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 11:13 AM
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3. I do not think this is a hoax. I think those who are trying to convince
Edited on Thu Jul-21-05 11:13 AM by BrklynLiberal
us it is a hoax have a vested interest in keeping us ignorant of its true impact. Those interests would be BIG PHARMA, Chemical companies, and other corporations that benefit from not allowing people to have control of their own health, use of supplements, alternative health, etc

It would be very smart of everyone to look into this very carefully and make sure for themselves whether or not this is a hoax.

See who stands to benefit if this passes....and who REALLY loses.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 11:15 AM
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4. Here is my previous post on this from the LoneStar Iconoclast.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 11:21 AM
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5. Here is a thread from Elorial from October 04.
Three Steps and 11 Months to Diffuse the Ticking Time Bomb Threatening Your Access to Vitamins and Minerals

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=111&topic_id=37976
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realms Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 11:21 AM
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6. Manufactures reputation
There was a huge fight to keep food supplements available. Doctors want control over something they don't understand. The U.S. has the power right now to remove unsafe products from the market.

My main endeavor online are 1)current events 2)natural health.
There is so much research from major medical authorities concerning substances found in nature. I've been following it since the 1970's and in only a few instances there should be caution labels on the bottles.
I want to go before these lawmakers and point to 5 places on my body where I used to have very worrisome lumps. All gone! I take supplements
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realms Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 11:36 AM
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8. exasperation
If you pick up a magazine at the supermarket check-out lane and buy a mail-order bottle of promises from some company no one knows of, don't count yourself as a enlightened promoter of natural therapy.

Don't tell me it's junk. I read medical abstracts.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 11:26 AM
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7. Another thread that was immediately debunked as a hoax...
Edited on Thu Jul-21-05 11:27 AM by BrklynLiberal
This is from March... by Robert Oak

I checked the 'debunking' by snopes. Their sources for the debunking are not very reliable. You cannot go to people with vested interests in passing a bill to ask about its value.


Working stealthily BIG PHARMA has rapidly pushed their legislative program (Codex Alimentaris) in Europe that will eliminate the free choice Americans now have to purchase vitamins, herbs, minerals, homeopathic remedies, aminoacids and nutritional supplements. This elimination of all competition for the pharmaceutical industry will produce an enormous increase in the already exorbitant profits earned by the pharmaceutical firms. Of even greater significance the lack of free choice to stay well by taking effective nutritional substances will promptly be followed by a sharp increase in illnesses that will only be treated in the future with pharmaceutical drugs.

http://newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james24.htm

Much better link
http://www.vpxsports.com/Codex.html

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2004/03/22/codex_a...

I am posting this here because it deals w/ the WTO. I just found
out about this at my local organic foods store. All over the web and looks legit to me.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=114&topic_id=14920
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 11:40 AM
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9. Add Cold Medication to The Health Supplements
and you have the Government in total control of most of our meds. Forcing us to see physicians to get even the simplest of medications. People better start stocking up on their supplements and cold medications...
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 11:54 AM
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10. All my cold remedies
are over the counter Oriental Botanicals. Rather than masking the symptoms, they speed up the process of the cold so you get over it in a day and a half instead of 4-5 days.

The only reason I was able to carry my son to term was because of Oriental Botanicals.

If I can't get my nutritional supplements legally I would seriously consider leaving this country.
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loftycity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 12:55 PM
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11. Here in Europe and this is going to be bad
It's Big Pharma.
Starts in August. Main focus is vitamins.
The US has to keep DSHEA, I believe this is the the 1992 Health Freedom act in tact.
Plus, if CAFTA passes, we are a signatory of the WTO. Codex laws falls into CAFTA (then to WTO) and will be enacted here in the US.
England is really going to take a hit with this.
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loftycity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 01:10 PM
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12. This is not good-The Assault on Dietary Supplements
Edited on Thu Jul-21-05 01:12 PM by loftycity
The Assault on Dietary Supplements

by Bill Sardi
by Bill Sardi

http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi40.html

Elected representatives Susan A. Davis (CALIF), John D. Dingell (MICH) and Henry A. Waxman (CALIF) have introduced legislation before the House of Representatives, now in committee, that would virtually destroy the dietary supplement industry.

The legislation is identified as the "Dietary Supplement Access & Awareness Act," but it does not address free access and only creates a negative awareness of these products.

Previous FDA Warning Eliminated One Dietary Supplement






Imagine the government commissioned a study of hit-and-run auto-pedestrian accidents and found that 95% of children hit by cars were wearing tennis shoes. Would we then mistakenly conclude that the tennis shoes caused the accidents? Such non-scientific association would likely be aired in news reports to frighten the public away from relatively safe products.


Timing of Legislation Questioned

HR 3156 appears misdirected. It comes at a time when the side effects emanating from properly prescribed and ingested prescription drugs result in the needless death of more than 100,000 Americans annually. Where is legislation that would adequately protect the public from unsafe over-the-counter or prescription drugs? Relatively troublesome drugs like Vioxx and Bextra have been returned to pharmacy shelves with black box warnings that put the burden on consumers to check for potential side effects.

FDA inaction over unsafe drugs has prompted search for safer alternatives

Furthermore, the public has become aware the FDA has approved drugs that have not undergone adequate safety testing, and permitted pharmaceutical companies to advertise these very same drugs on television, making unsubstantiated claims of their effectiveness and safety, which resulted in the demise of thousands of Americans. This has prompted millions of Americans to search for safer alternatives to unsafe drugs, namely dietary supplements, to allay symptoms posed by arthritis, headaches, menopause and other conditions.

Dietary supplements are concentrated foods, just as table salt is concentrated sodium. Will physicians be required to report strokes induced by patients who ingest excessive amounts of salt?

Would patients be in a position to report serious side effects?

Pray tell, how would a patient experiencing a serious side effect (death, stroke, cardiac arrest, etc.) be in a position to even ascertain their harmful health event was related to a dietary supplement? The average older American takes 2.4 prescription drugs in addition to dietary supplements. Why are the dietary supplements being fingered for reporting and not the more hazardous drugs?

Drugs and other agents would be unreported

For example, a patient taking aspirin therapy to prevent a heart attack, and steroids to treat arthritis, estrogen replacement therapy for menopause, along with vitamin E, and experiences a heart attack, would have to disclose to their doctor they were taking vitamin E pills. Aspirin, estrogen and steroids deplete the body of vitamin C which weakens blood vessels, induces their collapse, and can result in blockage of a coronary artery that produces a heart attack. But the vitamin E might be unfairly blamed for inducing this event. The patient may also be a smoker and/or alcohol drinker, which further depletes vitamin C and increases the risk for a heart attack. But only the vitamin E pills would be reported to the FDA!

No demonstration project

Virtually all patients and their physicians would be obligated under HR3156 to report to the FDA such adverse events, at a cost of millions of dollars, with no demonstration project that proves threats to public health would be eliminated or the public welfare improved.

HR 3156

Sponsor: Rep Davis, Susan A. (introduced 6/30/2005)
Co-Sponsors: Rep Dingell, John D. – 6/30/2005
Rep Waxman, Henry A. – 6/30/2005
Find out the status of this bill.
Read the bill.
Contact your elected representative.
June 21, 2005

Bill Sardi is a consumer advocate and health journalist, writing from San Dimas, California. He offers a free downloadable book, The Collapse of Conventional Medicine, at his website.


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